Using orbit-devices against griefers

The title may abit mislead, but let me verbally paint a situation for you:
You are at one of your favorite area's, things are nice, few noobs here and there...nothing to worry about.

Then it begins, one of them starts shooting such bombs at me. Those that cause alot of visual irritation, like fog or fire and heavy sound.
Me, in complete formality (which isn't smart to do, since they go spit at you as 'geek', etc... whilst your just trying to be formal...big pain in the...y'knowwhat) warns him that , if he does not seize his attacks, I will be forced to call upon the sim owner for justification.
He tried to start a discussion, but I told him its just a warning and that continueing this behaviour will cause alot of ruckoss.

He proceeded, getting everything out of his arsenal, whereof most are recognised as 'noob weapons'.
I warned the owner, being offline, and anyone else who is authorised to, too. None of them being online.
His weapons are often heavy pushers or atleast very annoying, and after minutes of being annoyed, I returned fire.
Later on, when it was truly getting out of hand, I informed LL through abuse report, of this felony.
Also note that he had the horrible habbit of caging up people in circle-formed cages. Any escape of these was practically impossible.


As last resort, knowing nothing else could be done, and everyone already fled the scene, I used a device of mine to constantly orbit him for some time, whilst placing objects to use up the remaining prim space. (being 3, this person has spammed alot of cages)

I did this orbiting act our of dispair and had no other choice, as I would not give up my favorite area. I do not doubt this person will receive the punishment he diserves
My quest is: are my acts of defending breaking a rule? If so, are these methods I used, heavy enough so that I should therefor receive a punishment too?

No. Don't do to others what you don't want to be done to yourself.

Just AR them... and if you have rights on the land where it happen, ban them.

Morwen.

thats the whole deal, I wouldn't if I had land rights, but the guy, he just like stays there and fires at everyone!
The owner of the sim is known to have times where she doesn't come online for a looooong time.
And I suspect LL not handling this kind of small cases, so I thought of taking justice in my own hands.

If the land you are on is not damage-enabled, it is against the rules to use weapons, even against a griefer, unless you have the consent of your target.

Think about it this way: Any reaction other than just walking away (or teleporting away even better) only serves to satisfy the griefer. By returning fire, you are giving him exactly what he wants - attention. You are also giving him reason to AR you.

As morwen said, don't fight fire with fire. It will get you in trouble as well. If you want to AR the 'tard, find the nearest object to sit on, sit down, (you can't be pushed when sitting) collect as much information as possible at the scene, and AR them. It may be important to have the location where the abuse took place embedded in the AR, so don't leave the scene - file the report from the scene.

zk

While I'd say, "No," think about this for a moment:

Say the person you orbited decided to AR you. You are in a no combat zone, using a weapon on another. Linden Labs has in the past punished people using this method of self defense, because they can't tell 100% that it is in self defense.

*sighs* Until Linden Labs gives us the tools to completely ignore the existence of an avatar, we're stuck trying to come up with our own solutions to the problem. In my 'home,' I can just freeze and eject/ban the person, but elsewhere all I can do is AR. So much for complete control of my avatar, huh?

I can assure you that this kind of "justice" will get you nowhere, except possibly being the subject of an abuse report yourself.

thats another problem:

1 either he fires things that extremely lag the place or create visual limitation, such as fog or fire

2 sitting does not help, he'll either shoot something that orbits ME (which happened) or cage me, get in the cage self and use such spankers to humiliate me. I know that is practically impossible, but somehow someone stupid made a freebie to override sitting.

Furthermore, he proceeded with double confidence when I muted him.

Well if you use their methods you are not even better than them, and thus you deserve punishment.

Scene: Our hero, Vigilante, is nattily dressed and on his way to a date with his lady friend at their "special spot." Unbeknownst to him, he is being stealthily tracked by Griefer, a naughty n00b decked out in Naughty demo skin, default undies ... and a sombrero.

The griefer fires upon the vigilante, enveloping him in a hazy cloud of particle smoke and cheesy fire effects.

Griefer: Boom! Boom! I shoot you with my big gun! You are shot!

Vigilante: Sir? Sir, could you cease and desist, please? You're ruining my favorite spot.

Vigilante gestures to the multiple SexGen beds and poseballs sets strewn across the grounds of his sex club of choice. Other patrons, sensing impending doom, nervously hop off their poseballs and begin to dress.

Griefer: Sir? I am no "Sir"! I am OilyConan Rexforth, bringer of doom!

The griefer flings out his hand an sumons forth a cage. The vigilante is trapped.

Griefer: Ha! I cage you with my big, manly cage! You cannot escape my cagely wrath!

Vigilante: Nooooo! Not the cage! Bastard!

Vigilante howls in despair, and, seeing no other choice, whips out his SuperDuperFancypantsAntiCager 4000. He turns the full blast of his weapon upon Griefer. Tears slide down his cheeks as he begins to rez retaliatory banana phones ...

Edited to add: Yes, returning fire is bad. But pie, pie is good. Mmmm. Pie.

Well, thats one way of looking at things.
Although its completely irrelevant, except for perhaps putting me in the vigilante's position...

Your sarcasm can use a little brush-up.

Will direct quoting work better?

As a matter of fact, it does.
Now...giving an opinion on it would be nice, or this topic would be useless, and I have put myself as example for nothing.

O tragedy XD

Okey-doke. Here's my opinion, then. So he caged you. So he spanked you. Teleport away and come back later. It's not going to hurt you to just up and leave. Everyone else did.

....I guess I could do that...

Guess I wasn't that smart.

I say orbit the bas***d. When you get tired and want a rest, tp me there, and I'll take over until you have fixed yourself a coffee.

I mean really, all the advice you have had so far is the turn the other cheek nonesense, or the just walk away tripe.

In sl, as in rl, you have a RIGHT to defend yourself. Use it. It is not as though you didn't try anything else, you did, and the bar steward just kept on coming.

I own my own sim, and i have God tools to get rid of griefers, so i really feel for folk who rent or buy or visit other sims, you have a right to be left in peace.

Just read these forums, you will see how quick LL are to react to complaints from residents, and if the sim owner is also away for long periods, use your own right to self-defence, and call on me if you need any help.

Rock

Noooooo!!! Not the dreaded BANANA PHONE TORTURE!!

AAAAAIIIIIIIGGGHGHHHH!!!

*flies away into the cosmos at warp speed*

While i gota say that orbiting him was just as much of a TOS violation is if he did it to you, i support your reason for doing it. The jerk was a griefer plain and simple and I've dealt with a sh1t load of griefers so i know how they think... They don't care... You can't reason with them so don't even try. Just AR them and if possible eject them. However if you are in a private sim that you either own or are a estate manager of, you have full rights to push them or do what ever you want to remove them.

As far as Lindens respondin to Abuse Reports, I have been griefed many a time since I first arrived in SL last Summer (this is my 2nd account, I cancelled and signed up again just to change my surname).

Out of all ARs, I got back about a 75% response rate. Lucky for me, I also owned a nice piece of Land for a while, so I was free ta use Land tools, AND coordinate w/ my neighbors to ban persistant griefers who kept comin back. One of em ended up realizing this ain't an "action game" and he joined my Group for my venue & amusement park. After I pointed him to Combat Sims he never "acted up" (at least around us) again.

I say, just like in RL fights are gonna happen, sometimes "the police" (Lindens) will intervene, sometimes both parties just go about thier day after the fight.

One thing for YOU ta be careful about: BYSTANDERS have been known to report both parties cause they can't tell who's "right", or they just don't advocate weapon objects in SL.

Personally I got nothin against weapons, anybody who decides ta use em, you take the consequences if you get caught just like in RL.

Rock Ryder raises an interesting question. How long does it actually take to get aid against a griefer when you contact a Liaison? Can anybody contribute any war stories?

My feeling is, make sure it's not an accident, give a warning, maybe, try contacting a liaison. But if none of that gets results, yeah, you ought to be able to defend yourself and your right to conduct your own, inoffensive business in SL.

Oh, and if you do take direct action against a griefer, make sure you file an AR on him, so LL can get the picture if he files an AR on you as part of his griefing campaign.

I don't even try anymore. I just AR them and blacklist them to every sim owner i can. I also do what ever it takes to get them out of my sight. Seeing that i partly own the private estate i hang out in i believe it's my right to do so.

Yeah, but why should landowners have all the fun. Lots of nonlandowners get griefed too.

I love the respone when someone created an invisible wall in front of the griefer and he was orbited by the rebound of his own weapons.

The griefer returned several times and finally gave up...I love it..next time try it and let us know if it works.

Ooh, I love it too. What is it, and where can I get me one of those?

Forget worrying about Abuse reports, filing them could be a waste of time.
I was hanging out at an infohub with other regulars, helping the lost noobs etc when this griefer in an obscenely undressed deliberately gross avatar apears, he starts pushing noobs onto the train tracks or off the 20m drop of the platform edge as soon as they spawn, he abuses them verbily and pushes female avatars into corners trapping them till they log out.
4 of us file multiple AR's over the next hour he's still continuing, who knows how many saw this as their introduction to second life and left never to return. We were all too new to do anymore than try push him into a corner and hand out teleport locations to the the new people to get them away.
Eventually the newbies spawning dried up and he got bored and went away.We got an auto responses from LL 2 days later acknowledging our report to be investigated and never anything else.

So kick their arse, can't see how people here advocate ejecting & banning but not orbiting or pushing their butt into the next sim, it's the same thing, with banning being the bigger gun. And lets be realistic here, you're not permantly blowing his AV's head off, you're returning him to his home sim or pushing him around, not breaking arms or legs.

I had one at another info hub push me halfway across a sim so I stopped asking him to stop nicely and said nothing till he pushed me into the next sim where damage push was enabled and I straight away equiped my weapons and let him have it with highpush on one gun & damage on the other.
I logged in to my home and got shot in my front yard and appeared again, the griefer was now in my property, I activated a "shoot everything in range mode" I never tried before and it worked. And it turned out I suspect the neighbours guest had actually hit me with auto fire bursts aimed at the griefer, who had just started riding through their art gallery on a quad and pushing them around.
But it was a good laugh. And we scored a freebie quadbike

I luv the invisible wall, going to make one out of a 20x20 megaprim in advance, as it would be too late to try make it during events .

Ring ring ring ring ring...agh. Yeah that thing's annoying. Funny for about 5 seconds. Probably more annoying than what I can only refer to as "The Batman Cube." People who leave those in sandboxes should be auto- and insta-banned. lol.

I've only had one "orbit" attempt on me. It must not have been a good one because I was able to escape the cage before getting very high up. I wanted to retaliate..I hate griefers. But I simply left the area.