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Illegal Movie/DVD Sales in SL

Rebecca Proudhon
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11-24-2007 11:04
From: ArchTx Edo
They don't feel it is their responsibility to police the platform and are doing everything they can to distance themselves from that responsibility.
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And that torch of responsibility now goes to ......?
Conan Godwin
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11-24-2007 11:07
From: Rebecca Proudhon
And that torch of responsibility now goes to ......?


No one. There is no need for anyone to be policing it at all.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Gaybot Blessed
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11-24-2007 11:11
The OP brings up a good point that movies being sold in SL 'could' be illegal. I liked his video as a pretend journalist with a mouth moving animation and everything, lol.

Someone earlier in this thread made a good observation that we don't know who has paid royalties to sell these items in SL and who hasn't. If we don't know that and we make a video about the sellers and say they are bootleggers and thieves, isn't that possibly slanderous? I think you said that you bought one of these videos in Second Life while under the impression that they are bootleg copies... why was that again?
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Oryx Tempel
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11-24-2007 11:19
It's the same old same old argument of Intellectual Property, like using a RL brand on your own SL stuff, re: that horrible discussion last week. IP is IP is IP and it's theft to use it without permission. I'm not here to police anyone. None of us are. I suppose that if any of us REEEALLY had a problem with it, we'd contact the movie company, designer brand, etc and snitch on the SL resident who is illegally using the name/content. :rolleyes: Who in the Sam Hill is gonna do that?
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Rebecca Proudhon
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11-24-2007 11:36
From: Conan Godwin
No one. There is no need for anyone to be policing it at all.



Either it is policed internally or it is inevitable that the Real World will come in and police it.

What is the fascination with the Wild Wild West? Lawlessness, crime, exploitation. theft, corruption, manipulation of the system, people unable to follow basic principles of ethical behaviors. Utter Chaos.
Conan Godwin
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11-24-2007 11:41
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Either it is policed internally or it is inevitable that the Real World will come in and police it.

What is the fascination with the Wild Wild West? Lawlessness, crime, exploitation. theft, corruption, manipulation of the system, people unable to follow basic principles of ethical behaviors. Utter Chaos.


Exactly - it's the job of the police, the FBI and the courts. That's what they're paid for.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Derbor Torok
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11-24-2007 11:42
From: Rebecca Proudhon


What is the fascination with the Wild Wild West? Lawlessness, crime, exploitation. theft, corruption, manipulation of the system, people unable to follow basic principles of ethical behaviors. Utter Chaos.


I think you answered your own question... :)

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Conan Godwin
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11-24-2007 11:43
From: Derbor Torok
I think you answered your own question... :)

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I think it was a rhetorical question, followed by an answer. I think.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Rebecca Proudhon
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11-24-2007 11:46
From: Conan Godwin
Exactly - it's the job of the police, the FBI and the courts. Sorted.


Yes and the first thing they will do is put the responsibility back where it belongs---back with the owners. This is not the internet just yet, this is a for profit company, with subscribers, breaking laws.
Conan Godwin
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11-24-2007 11:51
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Yes and the first thing they will do is put the responsibility back where it belongs---back with the owners. This is not the internet just yet, this is a for profit company, with subscribers, breaking laws.



And the subscribers are the culprits who would be prosecuted - not LL - so it's still the job of the police to stop people doing it. In just the same way that it's not the job of Dodge to stop people driving their cars drunk. LL should only involve themselves with breaches of their own ToS.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Rebecca Proudhon
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11-24-2007 12:20
From: Conan Godwin
And the subscribers are the culprits who would be prosecuted - not LL - so it's still the job of the police to stop people doing it. In just the same way that it's not the job of Dodge to stop people driving their cars drunk. LL should only involve themselves with breaches of their own ToS.





Dodge doesn't own the cars after they are paid for. They don't own the roads, They don't profit from street crime. The real world isn't owned by any one entity, this virtual world is.

Ooops I slipped and fell in SL,
Conan Godwin
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11-24-2007 12:23
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Dodge doesn't own the cars after they are paid for. They don't own the roads, They don't profit from street crime. The real world isn't owned by any one entity, this virtual world is.

Ooops I slipped and fell in SL,


According to LL we own our land. That's what their advertising says.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Lindal Kidd
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11-24-2007 12:43
From: Conan Godwin
I could reason with them. Make them see that what they're doing is wrong.


You could. But you'd be wasting your breath.
The best you can do is don't patronize them. Don't buy bootlegged video.
If enough people did that, there wouldn't be any.
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Rebecca Proudhon
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11-24-2007 12:48
From: Conan Godwin
According to LL we own our land. That's what their advertising says.


Last I looked I don't have it on my hard drive. What their advertising says and what their tos says is two different things. We own nothing and according to their tos, they are not legally responsible to maintain content that is considered yours. Of course a tos doesn't absolve them from final responsibility.
Strife Onizuka
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11-24-2007 13:07
The MPAA has a 1-800 number you can call to report movie piracy and you get a reward on successful prosecution. This isn't a new problem in SL.

This forum isn't for general discussion; there are many Resident Sites where this discussion is appropriate — Resident Answers is for Resident-to-Resident help. :) I'll close this thread...

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