My question is why are these bootleggers allowed to sell these movies and make thousands of dollars when its a federal offense
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Ciaran Laval
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11-24-2007 02:57
My question is why are these bootleggers allowed to sell these movies and make thousands of dollars when its a federal offense Have you reported them to anyone? Sent an Abuse report? |
Robustus Hax
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11-24-2007 03:03
Simple answer. As you stated in your 'news video' one of the servers was in Hong Kong?(may have been another country but I didnt pay close attention) If they are in Hong Kong, the USA'a federal offense doesn't apply there. The MPAA can take up suit in a court in Hong Kong and fight it in their courts. That's also why most of the 'good' bittorrent sites, gambling sites etc are in Sweden, Cayman islands offshore server facilities, etc. Our laws don't apply there. I see, but Linden Labs which is US based is being used to spread these videos, even though the server that hosts the video is out of Hong Kong, isn't that why gambling was outlawed? |
Maggie McArdle
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11-24-2007 03:05
My question is why are these bootleggers allowed to sell these movies and make thousands of dollars when its a federal offense..............I see, but Linden Labs which is US based is being used to spread these videos, even though the server that hosts the video is out of Hong Kong, isn't that why gambling was outlawed? im sorry your question is? if you wish to explore the reason why Gambling was banned in SL chao..umm i mean robustus, then you need to search the forums. here is a link to get you started: /invalid_link.html. if the practice of bootleggin videos offends you, file it the usual way via ARs and Live Help, but do not use this as another veiled means to complain about the Gambling Ban. fixed _____________________
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Theo Kline
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11-24-2007 03:09
I see, but Linden Labs which is US based is being used to spread these videos, even though the server that hosts the video is out of Hong Kong, isn't that why gambling was outlawed? Gambling was outlawed because the gambling took place on Sl server which reside in San Francisco, Ca. Obviously all taking place on American soil. I would see LL saying "we can't possibly control all the external links brought to SL" Think about it.. how many parcels are in SL that they would have to monitor? Ok, so maybe LL steps in and shuts down their stores and business. They will only find other way around the system to sell these said 'movie links'. Edit: Their fix would be to ban all video in SL. I don't see that happening. As it will hurt their revenues. Also, I don't think the video actually go's through the SL servers. It's streamed to your IP from the server the actual file is on. Just like with Voice, it's a seperate program running along side of SL.. which program is needed for video? Quciktime or the Quciktime alternative. |
Lucy Zelmanov
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11-24-2007 03:12
MPEG 4 Part 14 is the open standard container that came directly from QuickTime. You may be confusing the issue with various codecs that can be used within MPEG 4, some of which are proprietary. MPEG 4 Part 14 is apples proprietary container format, usualy .mov. This contains audio (usualy mp3) and video (usualy H.264/MPEG-4 AVC) data. My use of ".mp4" describes the non apple container format commonly found on the net, this also uses mp3 for audio and H.264 for video. However you do not have to own a Mac or buy QTPro to encode to this container. About 6 weeks ago I built a cinema for my holodeck and started to look into ways to show some of my dvd collection there, so I have only been looking into this for a few weeks. My understanding is that the data in a .mov container is mp3 and H.264 nither of which belong to apple. The .mp4 container is free to use and contains mp3 and H.264 data without the need to wrap it in a proprietary container such as .mov. Perhaps my terminology is off but it is being forced to use the .mov container that ties us to quicktime, where as using .mp4 would free us from that constraint. My original comment was to either expand on the container formats we can use or to replace the .mov container with the free to use .mp4 container. Hope I'm making sense ![]() |
Robustus Hax
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11-24-2007 03:29
im sorry your question is? if you wish to explore the reason why Gambling was banned in SL chao..umm i mean robustus, then you need to search the forums. here is a link to get you started: /invalid_link.html. if the practice of bootleggin videos offends you, file it the usual way via ARs and Live Help, but do not use this as another veiled means to complain about the Gambling Ban. Are you serious? I'm not complaining about a gambling ban. |
Soy Nakamori
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11-24-2007 04:23
You sound like an alt of one of these bootleggers. You're making a fool of yourself and are blinded by your own empathy. Perhaps you should take a really cold bath and then continue writing. You might even understand what I'm telling you. If not, let go. |
Chris Norse
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11-24-2007 05:33
My question is why are these bootleggers allowed to sell these movies and make thousands of dollars when its a federal offense The the movie studios want to protect their product, they can. I am not a cop nor do I desire to be one. _____________________
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Egil Milner
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11-24-2007 05:42
My question is why are these bootleggers allowed to sell these movies and make thousands of dollars when its a federal offense What do you expect? That forum posters armed with pitchforks and torches will storm the vendors? If you think it's illegal and want to do something, AR it. Otherwise, you're just looking for someone to pat you on the back and congratulate you for your ethical sensibilities. |
Kitty Barnett
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11-24-2007 06:05
you can stream to a single IP address, so unless you are on the parcle specified you cannot see the stream, this would then be a priviat viewing. It's no diffrent to piping it from your livingroom to your bedroom. There was a suggestion to simply make the media URLs visible to everyone by default to get rid of the impression that only the landowner/group officers would have access to them. |
Talon Brown
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11-24-2007 06:26
You don't have to be on the parcel, or even anywhere near it, to see the media URLs and reuse them somewhere else. There was a suggestion to simply make the media URLs visible to everyone by default to get rid of the impression that only the landowner/group officers would have access to them. Very true, URLs are not secure at all. Granted, I deal with this mostly from the audio streaming side but if the material is being streamed live then the server most likely does have a max number of listeners/viewers it can serve so in that sense it could be seen as a private broadcast. However if it's just a file on a server then yeah, I'd worry about redistribution of protected material. Admittedly, I don't understand why anyone is paying for videos in SL to begin with when they could just go and get the same material, from the same usually shady sources, for free. Then again, the only TV I ever owned here was a FreeView which I used to watch broadcasts of the Three Stooges and ancient movies that actually were in the public domain so I'm obviously not in the target market for this sorta thing. |
Lucy Zelmanov
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11-24-2007 07:05
You don't have to be on the parcel, or even anywhere near it, to see the media URLs and reuse them somewhere else. There was a suggestion to simply make the media URLs visible to everyone by default to get rid of the impression that only the landowner/group officers would have access to them. My orignal plan was to only set up the stream as and when I needed it so the stream would only be accessable when I was showing the film/show ect.. That way taking the url would be useless, also as the data is being transcoded the filename can change for each show, never using the same one twice. |
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11-24-2007 07:12
[If] the movie studios want to protect their product, they can. I am not a cop nor do I desire to be one. This is the real reason, I believe. The only person who can complain to Linden Lab is the one whose rights are being violated. If you tell them that someone else's copyright is being violated, they'll just ignore you. This is true of Abuse Reports and Copyright law in general. And right now Second Life is just too small for the studios and MPAA to notice. If Second Life ever does grow big enough, you'll see some legal action on the part of the big media corporations, and LL will shut those places down so fast it'll make the gambling ban look like the Havok 4 release schedule. _____________________
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Jezebella Desmoulins
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11-24-2007 07:22
The big movie studios don't have the resources to effectively patrol Ebay or the streets of New York's Chinatown to thump the skulls of the RL sellers of bootleg DVDs. Why on earth would we expect them to care about SL? Anti-piracy efforts will be focussed where the greatest impact can be made. SL is still small potatoes compared to other venues where bootleg material is distributed.
So am I going to be labeled an alt of a bootlegger as well? I've already been told I must be an alt of a land-cutter and ad spammer. ![]() |
Teeny Leviathan
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11-24-2007 07:28
Someone please explain why its a good idea to watch bootleg movies in SL. One could easily find the same stuff online free and not need a Super Second Life Computer to view it. I have seen Freeview tv and actually watched whole movies. Its fun, but the novelty wears off quickly. I don't see the bootleg video trade in SL producing its own version of AC (can't use names, remember), and the fad will most likely die off or find a small niche audience. We have has streaming video for a couple of years, and most people use it for their own content.
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Conan Godwin
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11-24-2007 07:44
If you don't want to give your thoughts on this fine, Im just bringing to light a pretty big legal issue that no one seems to want to touch on It's because LL hate America and our way of life. _____________________
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Conan Godwin
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11-24-2007 07:46
The the movie studios want to protect their product, they can. I am not a cop nor do I desire to be one. You can't expect Chris to do LL's job for them - not when he's busy with all those Moonshine runs and his 'gator rastlin'. _____________________
hateful much? dude, that was low. die. . |
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11-24-2007 07:53
If you don't want to give your thoughts on this fine, Im just bringing to light a pretty big legal issue that no one seems to want to touch on Thank You. Your credentials to the SL Justice League are in the mail. _____________________
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Tomas Gandini
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11-24-2007 07:57
He comes across like a shill for the MPAA.
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Annabelle Babii
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11-24-2007 08:20
Here's an idea.
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Conan Godwin
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11-24-2007 08:25
Here's an idea. If you're breaking the law, stop. If you're not breaking the law, don't worry about it. [RESOLVED] What if I'm not but other people I know are? Should I stop them or should I ignore them? _____________________
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Annabelle Babii
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11-24-2007 08:33
What if I'm not but other people I know are? Should I stop them or should I ignore them? Since you have no legal standing or power to stop them.... there's not much you *can* do. |
Conan Godwin
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11-24-2007 08:36
Since you have no legal standing or power to stop them.... there's not much you *can* do. I could reason with them. Make them see that what they're doing is wrong. Think of teh childrens! That's what Jesus would do. _____________________
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11-24-2007 08:47
If by SL you mean Linden Labs, they have positioned themselves as simply providing the platform, the 3D internet. They don't feel it is their responsibility to police the platform and are doing everything they can to distance themselves from that responsibility. Actually it has always seemed kind of silly to me to log into SL in order to watch videos, especially if you have to pay for it in SL, when there are lots of free videos on the internet and television. _____________________
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11-24-2007 10:52
My question is why are these bootleggers allowed to sell these movies and make thousands of dollars when its a federal offense /me hands you a halo. You're a real saint. _____________________
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