Realrestraint brand - what is it?

Thanks Jackie. I may take you up on it. I'm particularly interested in the notion of "dealing with strangers," and how this relates to the kind of bond of mutual trust that develops between Dom and sub.

For those who feel the need to use RLV please please do not leave it open to just anyone to control. The number of mainly women who i see who ask for help once someone has taken control then crashed or left.
If you must use it make the person ask you to have access after all it cant really take away that much from your RP as should they not be asking about your limits also?

Perhaps. Since I'm not into BDSM, my understanding of it is limited. And frankly, usually biased in the negative. That's just because POWER DYNAMICS in a relationship bothers me - consensual or not (and so its kind of funny that I get along as well as I do with that one Dom).
- But I'll try to see if I can justify what I encountered...

Its all about software limits I guess. While I was under her control, she TP'd me to a few places, put me in some xcite-enabled devices, and used them on me.

In RL, that would play out by her calling me up and telling me to come over, then ordering me to get on the thingy, and then proceeding to make me have an orgasm.

There was a safeword feature - and it worked one of the times I used it, but failed on another. Specifically it failed when I was trying to unlock and remove one of the things I mentioned above. But otherwise, it did let me pop myself off one of the devices.

Now, without the ability of her to move me around... in SL, she's IM me to tell me to go here or there, get on this or that, and I'd RP it out by doing that. Locks would be similar, I'd wear things, locks, she told me to put on.

Technically, even with RLV, she could still do that.

So maybe RLV is more for the Gorean crowd... But it seemed, while I was under it, to be very convenient for speeding along past the slowness of online text communication.

Ie: If I were a sub and had submitted to her will... then wouldn't it just be easier for me to let her move my avatar around? and then IM her my various bits of cybering passion or obedience?

Perhaps what I got hit with was a glitch. At the level of permission I chose, I thought I would be able to de-couple myself from the system, according to what I had read. But somehow I ended up on what seemed to be the hardcore settings.

As a slave and having been involved for some time my "personal" view of RLV is its not for anyone who wants to experience a more RL type of submission.
To me its more like using a blow up doll no need to have the sub taking any part on a conscious level.
As you said in RL a Top would tell or take you to the item that would be fine but with RLV it does not really give the sub any imput.
Again these are my views

Well from discussions I’ve listened to or participated in and things I’ve read the distinction lays more in the area of motivation. The classic definition of “fetish” would say that if an object becomes of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion, or an object or bodily part whose real or fantasized presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification, or that said object of fixation becomes so important that it may interfere with a complete sexual expression, then said object/s becomes “fetished“. Within the community the distinction between “fetish players” and others is more one of motivation rather than one of psychological reasons. I’d say only the purists or life-stylers even care that much about ones motivation, unless that motivation is preceded as unhealthy or dangerous that is. Safe, sane and consensual is the credo remember.

You pretty much hit it on the head when you said “someone who does the occasional BDSM thing, for sexual kicks, and someone who subscribes to an entire set of values that extend beyond the merely sexual”. D/s or BDSM isn’t really about sex. Yes, sex can happen within the BDSM context but its not necessary to the actual experience. Its about having ones BDSM or D/s needs fulfilled. Relinquishing power or taking power hence an exchange of power.

As to where I fit in, if that’s what your asking... If I do or did fit in that would be something for me and my partner to discuss. Actually it might even be something to be discussed between me and a therapist!

Curious

- I get an error everytime I try to post using certain words... Trying to figure out what I need to edit out...

Some people have fun with it. That's all that matters.

To be frank, the first time I heard of RLV, I though of getting striped. That is: setting it up so other people could remove my clothing. While I'm not interested in BDSM, if I could have a thiingy on me that let anyone click on me and select things to take off, that would be very appealing...

Obviously it would need a list. I don't need them removing my hair or tail...

It appears I -can- let an owner do that, but only by also giving her a lot of other controls as well, and only if she has some extra item to interract with me... I'd like to have just that one feature, without the other person needing something - so that I'd never know when or where or by whom it might happen (obviously I'd not equip the thing in PG land).

There are many outfits you can wear that allow another to remove them

I wrote something which does that. Both prims and clothing layers. And will not remove what you don't want removed. IM me in-wolrd if you want a copy.

How dare you suggest that!

I know! Just because some people enjoy it in their own way doesn't make it right!!

Well, yes . . . and it's pretty clear some people are doing just that. But it also seems clear, I think, that people are using BDSM in SL to express something about themselves that they may feel unable to express in RL. Which is much more than merely having "fun."

Arguably, "having fun" with BDSM is being a "gamer," and keeping a pretty tight distinction between SL and RL; using D/s to establish an identity for oneself that impacts upon one's sense of self in RL too is much more powerful, has more far reaching implications, and is the sort of thing that SL, perhaps, excels at.

At least, that's how I read what an immersive Dom or sub is doing here . . .

Next you'll be suggesting that people are in SL just to have fun. Inconceivable!

Easy for you to say, maybe. I'm having absolutely no fun whatsoever.

Then you should leave, or make friends with that other girl that clutters up the forum with "SL is no fun" threads.

Pep (enjoys making others do what he wants them to without them really wanting to; now *that's* power - exchanged or otherwise! )

hi

Just to clarify things, and sorry for coming here late...

The OP asked about the RealRestraint brand, which is my brand of restraints, and about the RR Prison. The two are not related except that this prison requires the inmates to use my stuff (mainly for its RealKey standard plugin) and that I personally helped uhh... testing it And inaugurating it also. And the owners are very nice, always striving to make their prison better. They chose that name because their success depend(ed) on my products, that's why I was ok to let them use it.

Now of course, the thread derailed to RLV matters... The Restrained Life Viewer has nothing to do with my stuff except that my products are all RLV compatible and that both are made by the same person. That viewer is pretty powerful as to what it allows a *script* to do to your avatar, but it is the script that should show some "restraint" by allowing your play partner (owner, master, kidnapper or whatever) to do things only on certain terms. Does it remove the Safe and Consensual parts from "Safe, Sane and Consensual" ? Only as much as the scripts in your attachments allow. By using the RLV you are giving more potential to people who use the restraints that you choose to wear. I won't argue over what a correct use is nor whether a real submissive should have their restraints locked at all, but I sure can assert that the RLV is not meant only for objectification, or Gor etc, that would be too reductive.

And I agree, the viewer should change its name because there are many non-BDSM uses, but I really like the current one

Hope this helps,
Marine

I for one would like to thank you Marine for all your hard work putting all this together and making so much more possible in SL. You have added so much more to the SL experience for so many. Thank you and I only hope you enjoy your creation half as much as so many of us do.

Yeah, it's like those combat huds and weapons have nothing to do with traditional small arms fire exchanges, they are for those just don't have the ability or willpower to kill other people in RL..............
Or Vampire/Goth RP, mor people lacking the devotion and will to find a RL Vampire and have themselves become one of the Kindred.

LOL, who is this "other girl"? We can get together, maybe, and be dour together!

Thank you Lota, I really appreciate it

And I'm the... First and most desperate victim of my own work ! *giggles*

Yumi Murakami, who has been looking for motivation in SL for some time with little success if her depressed posts are to be believed. She was looking at role playing in her most recent initiative so maybe she has seen some light at the end of the tunnel. You both appear to take sl overly seriously (although you are not alone in this respect) so perhaps you may find some common ground.

Pep (If I have transgressed or offended I will delete this post of course.)

Hi Marine. I like the name too. And I'm not suggesting that it needs to change. But there are people who really have no idea about it because the "R" part isn't something they are in to. --shrug--

I was going to come on this morning and make this point you made at the top part of this quote. I'm glad you popped in too. A LOT of the BDSM gear made to make use of RLV is just a blue menu of ALL the functions. There is no real specific purpose to the thing - it is just there to allow people to arbitrarily take away abilities and browse through the #RLV folder to add or remove clothing items.

The RLV viewer itself is just a set of tools for developers to be able to come up with specific items that have a specific purpose. A lot of builders take advantage of that. Many do not.



Oh yes. I come up with new ideas all the time. The "anti-cheat" for treasure hunt is a good one. I'm pretty sure that most relays not only track the restrictions they have given out, but also have the ability to KNOW if those restrictions are in play or if they were just sent out. So you could give someone a hud or object to wear and as they pass through the portal, it locks the item on and confirms to the system that they are in-fact, wearing it and cannot cheat. When the person is done, they could head back to the start and the item will unlock and remove restrictions.

I love the idea.



As other people mentioned - some of that can be done with "rip" scripts. Many of them do not require RLV. There are some that actuall rip the item off (which is a pain, because without RLV you have to go back into your inventory and find it to rewear it. We have a line of skirts we make that you can rip off, but it doesn't actually remove the skirt - it just goes invisible. You can click it again to put it back on. I prefer these for non-RLV interaction and there are several other places out there where you can get items like this.

I mentioned earlier that I have something called the LBOM (LustBaby Outfit Manager) in our free HUD. With that you can (almost) achieve what you are talking about - without giving your "owner" (or passers by) any other abilities to affect you. You set up your outfits in a certain way with "Avatar" and "Clothes" folders. (Avatar folder has things that don't come off when you get stripped like hair, skin, etc - the things that make up the base of your naked avatar) and the clothes folder has all the stuff that comes off when the "Strip" command is issued.

Then, I make a plugin (I think I'm charging L$150 for it or something - not a ton) that you can install into any Sensations organ and people who click it can strip you or change you into another outfit. They have no other control over you than that. The sensations items themselves control who can click it too.

Next phase is me adding the ability to make it so there are different "alt" clothes folders so there can be a sort of strip tease thing going on (or maybe alternate versions of specific things, but that's not relevant to what we're talking about here). With this, I want to rework my dance pole/tip jar system a bit so that you and/or club owners can "levels" for tipping and as each level gets reached, an article of clothing or two will come off. After a certain amount of time with no tips, they'll start to go back on.

I have a developer's kit available for developers who want to make things that make use of the system. The version I have out now is no transfer scripts because I'm still heavily developing it and I want to make sure people have the latest "partner" script in there when they start selling things. But a copy/transfer version will be made available to anyone who comes up with something clever and fun that they want to sell.


There are a few other outfit manager style things out there - but most are either very basic or little more than just browsing through the shared folders and picking thigns to put on and take off. And, of course, there are objects out there that will strip you, but they require a somewhat complex locking system to ensure that the right things stay attached and the right things come off. This works, but it is a pain to change avatar rigs because you need to go through an unlock everything that needs to come off, change, and then go back through and lock things up again.

As time goes by, I am starting to see more and more "specialized" RLV items out there. And, to me, this is great news. Marine has done a more than commendable job in creating the RLV tools we have access to. And more and more alternate viewers are adding the RLV functions into their viewers.

I would not have said it better Rygel, the RLV is a toolkit for developers and nothing else (this is not what you said verbatim but that's what you meant, I think). And yes it seems a second generation of better organized scripts is coming up, only issuing orders that make sense according to the nature of the objects they are contained in, instead of just being catalogs of restrictions. This is mostly due to the viewer being mature now, people know what to expect and where it's going. Yes, that is a good thing.

ETA - Marine, thank you. I got the LM from your picks in world and also got your IM.

Hi, Marine! Thank you for everything you've done, first of all. As the OP, I guess my question still stands. Where can I look at your stuff? I've seen some small displays in various shops and malls but I don't see much variety. Would you IM me in world or send me a notecard with some LM's? Also, if there is an instruction card available so I could start to understand Realkeys and how they work I would much appreciate it. I'm confused as to where the plugins fit vs the "hardware", and what is really needed. Or, I should say, my alt is because, of course, this in not for me! Jackie