Realrestraint brand - what is it?

I happened on a place called the RR Prison. They state that anyone wanting to be incarcerated there must have restraints that are compatible with "Realrestraint" (and of course the RLV). This looks like a brand that Marine Kelly created but I can't find much in SL about it except for some plugins. What is this stuff, is this incorporated into newer architectures? Just curious about it. Thanks, all. Jackie.

It's just a plugin that modifies your SL client, plus also some scripted items in-world that work with it.

Marine Kelley puts out an entire line of products, and they are all quite good. She has vendors all over SL as well as a small shop of her own. I usually buy from the one at New Desperation Isle.

I'll come by on visiting days, and send you a prim cake with a prim file embedded in it.

I'm sorry to hear this has happened to you. Think of us as you pay your debt to society.

I knew I had at least one friend!

/me smiles through the bars and nibbles cake crumbs left by the guards

Look for Cool SL Viewer, and enable RLV (Restricted Life) once you log in. Be very careful though, as you can find yourself locked into things that will require a reinstall of the official viewer to get out of if you give access to people you shouldn't trust. Granted, if you work with someone trustworthy, its easy to get out of - they simply unlock you, you unwear the key things, and you're back to normal.

The RLV system will essentially allow another person to lock you into things, force poses on you, TP you around, and even put on or take off clothing (from the list of clothing they can see - which I think is set by what you put on or take off while certain HUDs are equipped).

You need it to be a 'sub' in a lot of BDSM communities. I am not sure if Doms need it - I played with it only once with a friend, and it was easier to be the sub as I didn't know how any of it worked - so with her as Dom, she was able to simply take control of me and then tell me in chat what she was up to.

Thanks. I (actually, my alt) runs RLV 1.18 with SL 1.23 Viewer and has Lockmeister compatible gear and a Dari collar. I was specifically wondering about the "Realrestraint" stuff, just out of curiosity, and am not familiar with how keys work.

Oh ok. I might have some of that in my inventory.

I had something that was a collar, and when I put it on and set someone as an owner, I had 3 levels of permissions to grant her: ask, auto, and risky. Not their actual names. I went with ask - I got popups when she tried to do things to me. Risky... well, that's the one where I think she'd access to everything about me - maybe even my balance of lindens and password... and once you grant that level, it claims there will be nothing you can do to undo it. Which I doubt, but I was not about to gamble on.

She did put me into several devices for which I lacked permission to remove myself. Once the collar was there, if I said yes to a popup of a certain type once, it gave her carte blanche over that kind of activity with no popup again - so after the first suprise TP, she was just popping me around the map at will (we were actually trying to see if a few things were working, so she actually did pop me all over the map to all kinds of weird places.

I got into a restraint device at one point, and she would get warnings when I left it. Then after the collar, I didn't have a choice to leave... and once that happened, she was able to freely put me into other devices and leave me there.

I AM NOT A BDSM PERSON.

So this really freaked me out... eventually I logged, came back in with Snowglobe, and trashed a few items in my inventory. And that was with someone I was trusting.

I'm not -sure- if the items were realrestraint brand, but I suspect that line does something similar.

Unless its like xcite touch - xcite touch is designed to work with your USB enabled RL toys to... well... just think about it.

Just to cut through some of the hysteria, I haven't used RLV a lot, but granting someone control does not enable them to do anything except control those items. they can't access your account , steal your money or any such nonsense. If you do get locked up and get squeamish and the person won't release you, all you have to do is logoff, turn off RLV in your preferences before logging back in and then you can remove your attachments or whatever.

Turning off RLV in preferences is an option specifically -not- available once you grant your owner enough permissions. At that point, you need to log in with a viewer that does not have RLV and remove those items.

I'm not positive, but this really doesn't sound right to me, if you're referring to Cool Viewer.

RLV support requires a restart to toggle, it doesn't matter if you've given permission or not.

If you're playing and you feel like you're in too deep, ask them to stop. Either in OOC ((like this)) or IM them. If they don't respect out of character requests, they aren't someone you want to be involved with.

RealRestraints also have an option of a RealKey. It overrides the restraints. Make one and give it either to an alt, or someone you really trust. They can use that to get you out of unpleasant situations.

Yep. That is correct - if something gets locked or permissions for some abilities are taken away - you can't get them back unless that person gives them back - or you log in with a regular viewer and remove the objects then.

That said, most of the better relays out there let you give specific people (and objects owned by these trusted people) the ability to control you and do things without asking, while it will ask permission for others. And will have a "never", "now", and "always" option. Some relays cost a few bucks. Others are free.

Satomi's Multi relay is free (and open source)
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1262671

I have put that into my free LustBaby HUD as well (along with an AO, avatar scanner, RLV outfit manager (coolest thing ever) and some other tools and toys (plus a bunch of things that interact with our products) in an effor to clean up some of the attach points that people tend to keep filling up with toys.
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1331215

There are lots of others out there - but Satomi's is the best I've come across that is free - and none of the paid ones I've seen are any better.

All I know is that it was one of the warning messages I had to click OK to - telling me that if I accepted that option, I would be unable to toggle RLV off and unable to remove the item.

And as it turned out, that's pretty much what happened to me, the enable / disable for RLV greyed out - but after telling my friend, she unlocked me and I got that stuff off of me.

I was working through "Open Collar 3.201","tkPBA (30k)", and "OpenCollar Sub AO - 2.59"

Granted, if I was a RL Sub, that setup is probably exactly what me and my Dom would desire. It only freaked me out because BDSM itself freaks me out. We just tried it for kicks (my friend is a Dom, so I also wanted to see what her world was like for a little bit).

Go here:
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Think+Kink/131/148/501/?&title=THINK+KINK

Get a free Think Kink, and read the notecard it gives you. I didn't think I had managed to put myself into hardcore, but it still took me some work to get out. Thank goodness I hadn't used it with some random stranger...

if you were a real life sub you wouldn't need this as you would have submitted to the will of you Domme/Dom/Owner.

RLV appears to have nothing to do with traditional D/s power exchange. To me it appears to appeal to those who get a thrill from true objectification and being at the mercy of another where the capacity to consent is removed or to those who call themselves Master/Mistress but don't have the ability or will to create/maintain the power exchange (or of course just like have a doll to play with).

It's interesting stuff all right.

Ok, a serious question . . . not a loaded one.

If, as I understood it, a vital part of the relationship between Dom and sub is one of "trust," and the sub is "really" in a sense in control because she is "permitting" the Dom to, um, dominate, how does this kind of device fit in? Surely, once the initial perms have been given, the sub's role as a "giver" of trust ends? (Even granted that IS possible to get out of this, albeit with some difficulty).

I can understand how something like this would up the thrill level, but it does seem to take the sub pretty much out of the equation, as anything even approaching a "partner" in the relationship.

So, how does this fit into the sort of quasi-philosophical underpinnings that seem to underwrite BDSM? Can someone "in the know" explain?

Ah, thanks Couldbe. I think you've pretty much answered my question, even as I was composing it . . .

It would seem to me that a lot of people in RL use locking type devices... not that I would actually know or anything... on occasion even thought the sub has already given control to their Master. These locking devices might be employed for "punishment" or "discipline" or even "arousal/reward" scenes from time to time. So it would seem the same would or could be said of SL locking devices also. Now if I wore such things.... not that I do remind you... I would not run around with my “keys” dangling but rather they would stay tucked away either in my possession or in the Masters/Mistress’s possession for such play in SL. I agree that anyone who requires someone to lock them up in order to be submissive is not likely really submissive but rather engaging in some for of fetish play or out for a cheap thrill. I wouldn’t think the community at large would object to such play, only those in it who are or consider themselves “purists” would. Just my 2 cents worth.

I've never really been able to get my head round how the "Real Keys" work, because we don't use them. But if you join the group "RealRestraints updates & support" inworld and ask there, I am sure someone will explain.

Certainly with all my other RLV stuff, all I need to do -- and my Master insisted we test this before we started playing with it, to make sure I could release myself in emergencies, 'cos he lives in a part of the world where internet connections are a bit unreliable -- when stuff is locked is to disable RLV on the Cool Viewer "Cool Features" tab and relog.

I am a bit puzzled about Pussycat's experience.. I'll try to test this with my alt and an Open Colar and AO tomorrow. Certainly, I've always been able to remove locked items (Dari collars, Mo Ring and so on) by disabling RLV and relogging.
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UPDATE... I tested the Open Collar with my alt and could not grey out the Enable/Disable RLV button in the Cool Viewer, no matter how restrictive I made the settings.

However, I've figured out what Pussycat must have done.. by design, the Enable/Disable button is greyed out when you're offline -- if you are using the Cool Viewer, you have to be logged in to turn RLV on or off, and then relog to have the change take effect.
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As to Couldbe's point, I am not sure I agree. For me and my Master both, the important thing is that I trust him enough to give him the power to use all this stuff on me; I'd be rather alarmed if he did use many of its features, other than when we're playing and he's making my clothes vanish and me sit on poseballs and stuff, but the point is I trust him with it. Some people, I know, like to wander around with their keys available to everyone -- not my thing at all, though.

I agree. RLV has evolved into something much bigger. Originally it was just there to "lock" things - put them in a room and make it so the person can't get out. Lock them onto the iron maiden so they can't get off.

People have created items and objects that do tend to lean more toward the objectification thing - taking TOTAL control of the victim.

RLV itself has evolved into something very handy and fun and useful with features that go out even into the general community.

Here are some examples of things I have:

1) An outfit manager - that allows me (and people with our free HUD) to quickly and easily switch between outfits (without the wrong things coming off and all the other hassles - pick an outfit from the menu and poof - you change. Click "Strip" and you're naked).

2) Addons to the outfit manager. One plugin I've made already is one that will change you when the sun goes down. This is primarily for lycan/werewolf types. You tell it what your "night" outfit is and when the sun goes down, you automatically change (into your wolf avatar or lady of the evening or whatever it is). When the sun comes back up - you change back into whatever you were wearing before. I'm also working on one for mermaids (triggers when you hit the water) and one so that when you land in a location it will automatically change you into the proper uniform. Imagine beaming onto the Star Ship and automatically ending up in your Starfleet uniform. There are lots of other possibilities here too.

3) 1-Click Grid Wide Teleporting - in normal SL if your teleporter wants to take you off sim - it has to bring up the map and then you have to click the TP button. I have made a plugin for the Novatech Grid wide teleporters (and will be working with Sen to make a version for the Hands of Omega TARDIS teleporters once she gets done with this next volley of updates) where if you have RLV, you simply click the beam and you're gone.

4) Windlight Presets - As it is now, I can make my sim day, or night, or have it cycle day or night. But what if I want to create an alien world with green water, purple skies and orange clouds? Though I haven't done anything with this yet, I plan on making something where people with RLV and who have on our free HUD can beam into a location and ask for that location's preferred preset. If it doesn't have one - it'll fall to default. But if it has one - it'll make the sky whatever color the sim owner has set, whatever color water and all the other cool effects you can do with those settings. Granted, some of them aren't visible at lower settings but water color and sky color and some others work on all settings.

RLV really needs to change its name - because it really has evolved into something that has great tools and possibilities for people who want to have even more control over themselves, too - in a totally non-adult nor restrictive way.

Lota, the distinction you make between "really submissive" and "fetish play" is a very interesting one; is it a question of the degree to which one is immersed in the whole "culture" of BDSM? In other words, the difference between someone who does the occasional BDSM thing, for sexual kicks, and someone who subscribes to an entire set of values that extend beyond the merely sexual?

Innula, as someone who does use one of these devices, where would you fit?

@Rygel: I thought about non-BDSM uses for RLV the first time I heard of it. Not the inventory & TP tricks, but applications for all kinds of adventure roleplay. RLV can be used to selectively remove the 'super-power' features of SL that making cheating possible in some circumstances: flying, teleporting, far-sitting, access to huge inventory, even camming can be restricted. As you say, with access to Environment settings, you can enforce a particular atmosphere.

I'm pretty sure this is just the tip of the iceberg of possibilities.

Regarding "is RLV a valid part of D/s?": well, it is called *Restrained* Life, which I'd say puts it in the realm of bondage, rather than D/s per se. Obviously bondage is a big part of some people's D/s experience, but plenty of people will say you can have one without the other.

So maybe it isn't necessary, or even valid, unless you like being locked up/locking people up?
(edit: not to say you need it for bondage either, but it's a hell of a lot more relevant.)

You can log out and log back in with the standard viewer and you are free of all restraints.

Scylla...it's not that simple. I was in a D/s role as "D" for a short time. The "trust" has to continue throughout the relationship. And, it does. The device comes into play when you're dealing with strangers. My alt wants to explore what my (late) pet gave me, and wants to do so without forming the type of long term relationship that I once had. If this doesn't make sense to you, IM me in world.