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Question about First Land...

Samat Carter
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Join date: 14 Feb 2007
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02-15-2007 18:25
I've been through the information pages and everything but I can't seem to find the info I need. I hope someone here can help me.

I'm a new premium account member and I've been playing pretty much non stop for 3 days. I've caught on pretty fast and enjoy it so I want to settle down and made a house.

The only problem is is there is No First Land and after a couple days of trying I started reading about it. Apparently it is extremely difficult to get if not impossible. I've resigned myself to the fact that I may have to put $20-30 into game, I like playing this and hopefully be playing for a long while.

So my question is this. My premium account profile page on this website says I get 512 square meters of allowed holdings... without being charged $5 per month does this mean that I can buy a piece of land off of someone in the game as long as it is 512 sqm or less and NOT get charged $5 a month? Or is the not getting charged each month only apply to First Land, which is impossible to get?

Because if I can get my 512 sqm applied to any 512 sqm I aquire off of someone maybe as a resell of First Land I will probably just do that so I can start building my house. :)

I'd appreciate any help you guys can give... links to places and articles of interest anything!

Thanks so much...

Marie/Samat
Raudf Fox
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02-15-2007 18:31
Nope, you don't have to pay an additional 5 USD for land, provided it's 512 m2 or less. It does not matter if you bought it as first land or off another player.

The first 512 m2 is covered under the premium account payment. It's only if you go over that then you incur the extra 5 USD for tier. And fortunately, it's not a thing that they limited to just the First Land. ;)
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Samat Carter
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02-15-2007 18:43
Thanks so much Raudf! Wow, that is such a relief!

However I just calculated how much a piece of land would cost and it would actually be over $40 US. I really really don't have that much money. ^^ So maybe I will be stuck fighting the robots for First Land.

Actually that's another question I can ask... now that I know I can hold that much land without being charged each month, does anyone know of where I can find that kind of land for less than 10,000L?
Dnate Mars
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02-15-2007 18:47
First land, if you can find it.

But since you can't find it, all you can do is do a search for land and place 10000 in the L$ limit box. The size and price of the land will come up in the results. Also make sure you select the search for mainland.
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Samat Carter
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02-15-2007 19:01
Thanks Dnate Mars... may I ask why Mainland is important?
Sindy Tsure
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02-15-2007 19:30
From: Samat Carter
Thanks Dnate Mars... may I ask why Mainland is important?

Potential can of worms in that question.. With a private island, you pay the owner of the island and they pay LL - it's their island and they make the rules. With mainland, you pay LL - it's your land (as much as anything can be "yours" in SL) and you're only subject to LL rules.

In general, if you want to build and screw around and not follow (m)any rules, go for mainland. If you're just looking to put a nice house down somewhere near other nice houses, go for an island.

Both types of land have pros & cons. Keep reading - I'm sure others will reply.. :)
Dnate Mars
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02-15-2007 19:44
If you don't want to pay more then what you have already committed to with your premium, then you have to go with the mainland. You can rent from an island, but the "free" 512 you get won't count toward anything.
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Beebo Brink
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02-16-2007 04:04
First Land has been tight for awhile, at least in part because LL was backlogged with Island deliveries.

Fortunately they are now planning a release of many new mainland sims, and a reasonable expectations is that First Land would be part of that release. So unless you have a pressing need to buy land, I recommend a modest rental until First Land offerings begin to widen.
Kathy Vox
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Join date: 5 Apr 2005
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02-16-2007 06:00
I would just keep searching for first land. It's a good deal if you're already premium. It doesn't last long (and never has), so really, the way to find it is to keep looking. Like every time you're talking and have nothing beter to do, open up the search and look. And don't be fussy. If you find one, zone and buy immediately. Don't tell your friends why you're leaving, just hit teleport. Don't think you're going to find something pretty or just so. The second you materialize click on it and buy. Take what you can--otherwise you'll wait forever. And if SOME first land is available, chances are it will keep popping up for an hour or so, so keep refreshing search! (I watched them dribble out land one plot at a time every 5 or 10 minutes for a few hours last month.)

And it is WAY too good a deal to not take. I think the cheapest 512s I saw are around 7000L and first land is 512L. Even if you don't want it, it's worth buying it just to resell it. It's just an incredible deal.

Private Island vs. Mainland.

Mainland is owned by you and you pay "tier" to Linden. To own mainland, you need to be a premium subscriber and your premium membership includes tier for 512 of land. There is no zoning in mainland and no guarantees. The lovely seaside you have next door today, could be a giant purple cube all the way up to the land boundaries and 50 stories tall with naked women splashed all over it and a million people in it so everything is lagged to death. You have no control or appeal.

A private island, often called a "rental" means that you are paying your money to the owner of an entire private sim, who then sublets to you. Sometimes you "buy" the land and pay about the same amount as tier and it acts just like a regular sale. Other times, there's no money down at all and you "rent" usually for a bit more than you would pay in tier normally (say $7 instead of $5). You don't need a premium membership to have land in a private sim because your deal is with the landowner, not with Linden. The downside of a private island is that your deal is with the owner of the sim, not with Linden. The owner can terminate their agreement with you at any time. I know people who had deals with small time owners and poof, they went out of business and everyone's land evaporated. Some got refunds, others didn't. That's not really a problem as long as you do business with someone who is a long term "land baron" with a reputation for stability. The upside is that almost all of the private island sims involve some kind of requirements about how you can build. Some are purely for residential. Some have themes like Asian or Medieval. Most have requirements that your build fit in within reason. The most common is that you can't build more than twice as high as how far you are from the borders.

Some people want the freedom to build giant purple cubes with naked women splayed on them. (Can you tell this happened to me?) Other people prefer to have a landlord willing to enforce some basic common courtesy to ones neigbors. Neither way is right or wrong.
Serenarra Trilling
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02-16-2007 08:18
As far as renting goes, I would advise reading these threads first, and being VERY careful to find out as much as you can about a landlord before renting:

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Princess Ivory
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Who owns Mainland?
02-16-2007 08:45
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Private Island vs. Mainland.

Mainland is owned by you and you pay "tier" to Linden. To own mainland, you need to be a premium subscriber and your premium membership includes tier for 512 of land. There is no zoning in mainland and no guarantees. The lovely seaside you have next door today, could be a giant purple cube all the way up to the land boundaries and 50 stories tall with naked women splashed all over it and a million people in it so everything is lagged to death. You have no control or appeal.


If you are buying the mainland from another person, as opposed to directly from LL, will you still own it outright, and pay tier to LL after you buy it?
Colette Meiji
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02-16-2007 08:48
From: Princess Ivory
If you are buying the mainland from another person, as opposed to directly from LL, will you still own it outright, and pay tier to LL after you buy it?



no you pay teir to the person who runs the sim. Some are paypal deals , while others are in lindens.

I dont think these matter whether you are premium or not.

(people can correct me if im mistaken but that definitely how I understand it)

I did a search in world since your looking it doesnt apear to me any actual first land for sale atm.
Meade Paravane
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02-16-2007 09:19
I think Colette means private islands..

With mainland, if you go through the Buy Land dialog built into SL, it's your land.

If it's anything other than the Buy Land dialog - on mainland or a private island, regardless of what words the seller uses - you're not actually buying the land.
Princess Ivory
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02-16-2007 09:22
So that means even if the land is owned by someone else, once I buy it, I will be the direct owner according to LL?
Meade Paravane
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02-16-2007 09:24
If you go through the Buy Land dialog, yes.

edit: er.. I've never rented/"bought" land on a private island.. I'm assuming that doesn't pop up a Buy Land dialog.
Colette Meiji
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02-16-2007 09:25
From: Princess Ivory
So that means even if the land is owned by someone else, once I buy it, I will be the direct owner according to LL?



Ohh right sorry, yes - if you buy actual mainland land its yours and your teir goes to the lindens and you can do nearly ANYTHING you want on it without fear of zoning or anything else.

I did misunderstand and thought you were asking charter land , which is often sold to newer players as an alternative to first land.
Cristalle Karami
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02-16-2007 11:22
From: Meade Paravane
If you go through the Buy Land dialog, yes.

edit: er.. I've never rented/"bought" land on a private island.. I'm assuming that doesn't pop up a Buy Land dialog.

Yes, if you "buy" land on a private island, this will appear. However, it will tell you that it won't count toward your Linden tier (discounted at 0). You will see it under "My Land" so that you can see how many m2 you own, but it does not affect your payments to LL. Just keep in mind that the estate owner can still take it back at any time and that you truly don't own it. In the same way that Gov Linden, as the mainland estate owner, could theoretically take it back but will not, without cause.
Samat Carter
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Join date: 14 Feb 2007
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02-16-2007 11:22
Hi Everyone!

I know I know I was supposed to wait for my first land but I couldn't resist! I bought a little package last night despite everyone's advice and it cost L7500, which is about the $30, the topmost amount I decided I was willing to pay for a little piece of land. I know I just lost $30 instead of making $30 which sucks but that's what I get for being impatient.

The good thing about it is I got to pick my little parcel and there is land owned by the Governer Linden around me so I assume that that land won't be modified? Also everything is developed around me, I'm sandwiched between a resort and a resort and one parcel away from a inlet which is again owned by the Governer.

Now I absolutely cannot put anymore money into this game so as a premium account member I'm going to wait until I get more 300L before I buy anything else. I slapped up a 50L cabin some rocks and some trees and can sit on my rock in front of my cabin and feel happy to have a rather expensive peice of land. :)
Maximillian Desoto
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02-16-2007 11:27
From: Samat Carter


The good thing about it is I got to pick my little parcel and there is land owned by the Governer Linden around me so I assume that that land won't be modified?


Not exactly. If the designation is "Protected Land" then the odds are pretty good it woun't be re-developed. It could however, be an undeveloped road, the SL-DOT is very lax on finishing public works projects.

If it does NOT say "Protected Land" that Gov. Linden-owned land could be land that has been abandoned by another player for some reason. It could be sold at auction, so keep an eye on the auction page.

Max
Samat Carter
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02-16-2007 12:01
No it's protected Max. Though if it becomes a road I suppose that's okay. However there is a nice little inlet from the ocean right surrounded by buildings I don't imagine it will be developed further. ^^
Kathy Vox
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02-16-2007 12:06
Congratulations. Check all the freebie places for furniture and decorations. You'd be amazed what's out there. We got a gorgeous treehouse there that we still live in even though we upgraded to a 4096 on a private island.
cHex Losangeles
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02-16-2007 20:38
From: Samat Carter
I know I know I was supposed to wait for my first land but I couldn't resist! I bought a little package last night despite everyone's advice and it cost L7500, which is about the $30, the topmost amount I decided I was willing to pay for a little piece of land. I know I just lost $30 instead of making $30 which sucks but that's what I get for being impatient.


Good for you, Samat! While First Land has its advantages, there's no reason you should have put off having fun now if you prefer. Money is just means to an end.