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Jenshae Werefox

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01-18-2010 02:03

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I'm sure they will have a good laugh about this hahaha

You are right, I contacted a well known web comic producer. It should be good for some material and a laugh.

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Jenshae Werefox

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02-02-2010 09:20

"I played a Linden,
... and I lost to him."

Not only did he beat me at a game of Go but he was very slippery at dodging my questions, including not telling me which Linden I need to speak to about this issue.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m272/Jenshae/Second%20Life/CGLinden_001.png

He did add me as a friend though. So not a complete loss; I guess? ^.^

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Jenshae Werefox

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02-08-2010 12:59

If anyone knows which Linden has an office hour and would discus this with me, I would be delighted.

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Jenshae Werefox

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02-08-2010 19:07

Okay, I spoke to *someone* about this. They think that lawyers are why Lindens are so quiet about this.
The rule of thumb seems to be, is it played in a Casino and can you lose intentionally? Pull a slot lever and you have no control over whether you win or lose, you can only play or opt out.

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Jenshae Werefox

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02-09-2010 01:57

I still think there needs to be a very clear and detailed description of what is skill and what is wagering. I think this has the potential to bite Linden Labs in the bad place.

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Ann Otoole

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02-09-2010 01:59

From: Jenshae Werefox

Okay, I spoke to *someone* about this. They think that lawyers are why Lindens are so quiet about this.
The rule of thumb seems to be, is it played in a Casino and can you lose intentionally? Pull a slot lever and you have no control over whether you win or lose, you can only play or opt out.

LL can't discuss anything legal. If you want an answer to a legal question you must Indiana Jones your way through the tunnel of doom and ask the ancient templar lawyer directly.

Jenshae Werefox

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02-09-2010 02:01

Surely if they are allowing Zyngo then they must have all this worked out and have the answers from the lawyer already?

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Ann Otoole

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02-09-2010 02:15

From: Jenshae Werefox

Surely if they are allowing Zyngo then they must have all this worked out and have the answers from the lawyer already?

not disputing that. but the lindens are forbidden from discussing legal maters and the lawyers never post online. They are lawyers after all and can't put anything in writing unless it is a legal document.

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02-09-2010 02:16

Legal documents have been put online before now.

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Adams Scarmon

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02-09-2010 02:40

Then LL should be banned..

When starting a bussine in Second Life its always a gamle if it survives due unforseen price hikings.. and downtimes .. and lag..

So you cannot know these things, its a risk.. its a game, its GAMBLING

Xd

Ok on a serious note, I think poker should indeed return as in my eyes its not a gambling game.

RockAndRoll Michigan

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02-09-2010 03:02

I am inclined to agree with you, Adam.

However, what poker is or is not in your eyes, or mine, doesn't mean anything in the final reckoning.

This is a matter of United States law, at the federal level. The only people who's opinions mean anything whatsoever are the federal judges, and the lawyers who are paid to influence their opinions.

I'm not either of those, are you?

Jenshae Werefox

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02-09-2010 03:39

Poker is a skill game it is banned by "name," (that means the game itself, can't just call it something else.) Meaning it is just excluded on the basis of association.

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Should LL do something about this before official action?
Jenshae Werefox T-ease Join date: 3 Mar 2009 Posts: 376	01-18-2010 02:03 From: Stoney Cyberstar I'm sure they will have a good laugh about this hahaha You are right, I contacted a well known web comic producer. It should be good for some material and a laugh. _____________________ Boycotting XStreet. "Everyone is going to hurt you at some point. What is important is deciding who is worth it." - unknown. "Just because it is the Internet that we use to communicate with, our emotions are no less real and our thoughts are no less valid." - me Vampire games suck! Want some real role playing? "Na'vi of Second Life"
Jenshae Werefox T-ease Join date: 3 Mar 2009 Posts: 376	02-02-2010 09:20 "I played a Linden, ... and I lost to him." Not only did he beat me at a game of Go but he was very slippery at dodging my questions, including not telling me which Linden I need to speak to about this issue. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m272/Jenshae/Second%20Life/CGLinden_001.png He did add me as a friend though. So not a complete loss; I guess? ^.^ _____________________ Boycotting XStreet. "Everyone is going to hurt you at some point. What is important is deciding who is worth it." - unknown. "Just because it is the Internet that we use to communicate with, our emotions are no less real and our thoughts are no less valid." - me Vampire games suck! Want some real role playing? "Na'vi of Second Life"
Jenshae Werefox T-ease Join date: 3 Mar 2009 Posts: 376	02-08-2010 12:59 If anyone knows which Linden has an office hour and would discus this with me, I would be delighted. _____________________ Boycotting XStreet. "Everyone is going to hurt you at some point. What is important is deciding who is worth it." - unknown. "Just because it is the Internet that we use to communicate with, our emotions are no less real and our thoughts are no less valid." - me Vampire games suck! Want some real role playing? "Na'vi of Second Life"
Jenshae Werefox T-ease Join date: 3 Mar 2009 Posts: 376	02-08-2010 19:07 Okay, I spoke to someone about this. They think that lawyers are why Lindens are so quiet about this. The rule of thumb seems to be, is it played in a Casino and can you lose intentionally? Pull a slot lever and you have no control over whether you win or lose, you can only play or opt out. _____________________ Boycotting XStreet. "Everyone is going to hurt you at some point. What is important is deciding who is worth it." - unknown. "Just because it is the Internet that we use to communicate with, our emotions are no less real and our thoughts are no less valid." - me Vampire games suck! Want some real role playing? "Na'vi of Second Life"
Jenshae Werefox T-ease Join date: 3 Mar 2009 Posts: 376	02-09-2010 01:57 I still think there needs to be a very clear and detailed description of what is skill and what is wagering. I think this has the potential to bite Linden Labs in the bad place. _____________________ Boycotting XStreet. "Everyone is going to hurt you at some point. What is important is deciding who is worth it." - unknown. "Just because it is the Internet that we use to communicate with, our emotions are no less real and our thoughts are no less valid." - me Vampire games suck! Want some real role playing? "Na'vi of Second Life"
Ann Otoole Registered User Join date: 22 May 2007 Posts: 867	02-09-2010 01:59 From: Jenshae Werefox Okay, I spoke to someone about this. They think that lawyers are why Lindens are so quiet about this. The rule of thumb seems to be, is it played in a Casino and can you lose intentionally? Pull a slot lever and you have no control over whether you win or lose, you can only play or opt out. LL can't discuss anything legal. If you want an answer to a legal question you must Indiana Jones your way through the tunnel of doom and ask the ancient templar lawyer directly.
Jenshae Werefox T-ease Join date: 3 Mar 2009 Posts: 376	02-09-2010 02:01 Surely if they are allowing Zyngo then they must have all this worked out and have the answers from the lawyer already? _____________________ Boycotting XStreet. "Everyone is going to hurt you at some point. What is important is deciding who is worth it." - unknown. "Just because it is the Internet that we use to communicate with, our emotions are no less real and our thoughts are no less valid." - me Vampire games suck! Want some real role playing? "Na'vi of Second Life"
Ann Otoole Registered User Join date: 22 May 2007 Posts: 867	02-09-2010 02:15 From: Jenshae Werefox Surely if they are allowing Zyngo then they must have all this worked out and have the answers from the lawyer already? not disputing that. but the lindens are forbidden from discussing legal maters and the lawyers never post online. They are lawyers after all and can't put anything in writing unless it is a legal document.
Jenshae Werefox T-ease Join date: 3 Mar 2009 Posts: 376	02-09-2010 02:16 Legal documents have been put online before now. _____________________ Boycotting XStreet. "Everyone is going to hurt you at some point. What is important is deciding who is worth it." - unknown. "Just because it is the Internet that we use to communicate with, our emotions are no less real and our thoughts are no less valid." - me Vampire games suck! Want some real role playing? "Na'vi of Second Life"
Adams Scarmon Registered User Join date: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 34	02-09-2010 02:40 Then LL should be banned.. When starting a bussine in Second Life its always a gamle if it survives due unforseen price hikings.. and downtimes .. and lag.. So you cannot know these things, its a risk.. its a game, its GAMBLING Xd Ok on a serious note, I think poker should indeed return as in my eyes its not a gambling game.
RockAndRoll Michigan Registered User Join date: 23 Mar 2009 Posts: 589	02-09-2010 03:02 I am inclined to agree with you, Adam. However, what poker is or is not in your eyes, or mine, doesn't mean anything in the final reckoning. This is a matter of United States law, at the federal level. The only people who's opinions mean anything whatsoever are the federal judges, and the lawyers who are paid to influence their opinions. I'm not either of those, are you?
Jenshae Werefox T-ease Join date: 3 Mar 2009 Posts: 376	02-09-2010 03:39 Poker is a skill game it is banned by "name," (that means the game itself, can't just call it something else.) Meaning it is just excluded on the basis of association. _____________________ Boycotting XStreet. "Everyone is going to hurt you at some point. What is important is deciding who is worth it." - unknown. "Just because it is the Internet that we use to communicate with, our emotions are no less real and our thoughts are no less valid." - me Vampire games suck! Want some real role playing? "Na'vi of Second Life"

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