Are YOU in The Loop?

Aman to that twitter and facebook both can kiss my *beep*and they can take a flying *beep*. i just dont see the point in doing this crap. take care

Seven - that's what I'm trying to pinpoint with a few questions. I mentioned one way, but I think with some cross-referencing on email addresses, there might be more problems with connecting the two, unless you were careful with that.

As far as I get things:
- someone uses a certain email addie for RL or online things
- someone uses that same email addie for SL
- someone uses that same email addie to sign up to Facebook as their SL name
- the SL name comes up as a match when someone searches for their email addie

I'm missing how LL is doing anything? That person left a trail a bread crumbs to follow and put it all together, LL isn't involved if that's what is going on? *confuzzled*

Wait. I'm confused. What's the deal?

The deal is that FB changed their security model so that people's email addresses and locations are now visible if they had previously set their name as searchable... so now people using FB can see who you are and who your friends are by email address.

OK....so..I have a FB account in my avatar name, using an email address dedicated to that avatar. What exactly does that mean for me?.

One austrian comedian said this week in his TV-Show: "To have an Facebook account is like being observed by the KGB or the CIA on voluntary base"


(I tried to translate - english = not first language)

I don't have either FaceBook or Twitter - it's kind of like cell phones - mine is only for outgoing emergency calls away from home. I really don't want to be that accessible all the time.

I filled my Farcebook account with totally bogus information and it is linked to a probably by now dead e-mail account. I got in contact with some old friends and log in to it less than once a month.

So ... no worries for me and both Loose Lunatics and Farcebook can get stuffed.

Second Life has had a Facebook page for a good while now.

A while back, maybe a few years now, anyone could make a Facebook page for anything. Second Life didn't have one, and I thought it should, so that could have their profile show that they are a "Fan of Second Life". I sent messages to a number of Linden staff, suggesting they make a page for Second Life, with no results, so I created a page for Second Life. (not a group, a Page). I wrote a description, using text from the corporate mission statement and some other information I found on the web, filled in the url and address and such as best I could. I wanted Linden Lab to have the power to handle any problems that might be caused by people posting offensive messages, scam offers, links to malware, etc., and to know that I wasn't trying to do anything underhanded, so I appointed Robin Harper as an administrator of the page, and maybe some other Linden staffer; I don't remember exactly at this point.

At some point Facebook decided to tighten up their fan page system and make it where fan pages for businesses could only be made by the business.

My Second Life page vanished, and an official Page created and run by Linden Lab appeared.

Linden Lab has had a twitter account for SecondLife a good while now.

I've followed the secondlife twitter account for a good while now and been "a fan" of the official Second Life page since I first noticed my page was gone and found the official page. I don't seem to be having any trouble as a result.

The Facebook Privacy Settings allow you to make a number of types of information visible only to yourself. Go to your Privacy Settings, find the information you want to change the settings for, and on the right side of the screen, there is a dropdown box with three common choices and a fourth choice of "customize". S e l e c t customize, and there is a choice of "Only Me". This option is available for your email address, for instance.

There are a lot of different pieces of information, and if you want to hide a bunch of them, you have to do a lot of s e l e c t ing from one dropdown list and then s e l e c t ing an option. It's not a well designed page, in which all the options would be visible for all the fields all at one time, alllowing you to just go click click click in a line down the page, and you can't do what some would want to do, namely, set all fields to "only me" and then go back and set the one you want visible as desired.

If memory serves, at least at one time, the display of someone else's email address was done as an image made of a number of sub-images, in order to reduce the occurrence of scripted email address harvesting, which is pretty easy if the address is displayed as either text or as a single image. I don't know if that's still true or not.

Thank you for the information, Suezanne.

Brenda, what I was thinking on that...is if you used a main email address for your FB avatar name....then used the same email address for your RL name.....that is, if you have accounts in both names (sounds like you don't).....can you search by email address in FB....and come up with both names.

OK.I gotcha.

I got paranoid about whether or not my account was still up there - so pulled up fb from our homepage here, and entered my email address and password, thinking that if my account were deactivated - then it won't let me log in. That action activates your account again. Bummer.

So I logged in again....this time it says that my IP address is blocked for abuse. Well, it's a generic aol IP - so yeah. Went through that process to correct, while account stays up all day - and of course am added to that list of friend "suggestions" provided by aol email addresses, once again. Bummer again.

Finally got in....and had a look at all those settings....and you really need to study that. I could not find where they had a city - no way would I have plugged that in - but it does mention that it is public information. I never could find it, though.

Be careful. I've mentioned here before, that someone from SL showed up at my office, and faked being a potential client....with very little info....not even a real name.....and not even Facebook access. Someone is probably going to mess up.

I dont liek facebook or Twitter. I prefer to stay here or on sl.

I don't bother with either, I see them as a breeding ground of catty and childish behavior the likes of which I can only WISH stopped in grade school. not to mention some the ugliest design and most useless information ever displayed for public consumption... it's like mainland without content restrictions.

So arew you saying LL is creating Facebook acounts for all the Avatars in SL?

AFAIK unless Tegg Bode creates a facebook account there isn't going to be any link to my RL account and even if I did the 2 accounts could remain completely seperate.

Posted notice to facebook friends I'm gone within the week. (If not sooner)

Went in immediately having read a story about the new policy, and found that just about everything about my RL info was now available to not only friends but to their friends! And there still isn't a way to get some things to stop being visible, which also give out more info than I want to give to the general populace.

Sort of like any 'social app' not everyone on friend's list IS an actual friend in real life...maybe old classmates/acquaintances/etc., and bottom line *I* choose who has which info, as much as i can help it, at least.

STINKS they did this but who should be surprised. How many apps have changed without notice? I've accepted 'gifts' (just a stupid gif or icon) only to see that app changed, and I was now a member of some stupid thing I'd never have joined.

I never mix sites though, so my SL info was never included there. Honestly, if anyone gets stalked due to this blatant security breach, I hope they sue the face off facebook.

(If you stay on facebook, make sure to take the tutorial on the new changes, and revert your old settings. Also go into all other settings manually. My old settings had been changed to be more visible and I had to go in and reset it all by hand. What the heck. Shouldn't it ask FIRST?)

The more I think on this the more ticked I feel. How irresponsible can they be? Imagine all the teens who accept 'friends' in all naivete, some of whom might be dangerous in real life. Now suddenly their entire friend's list has access to their phone number, email, address, etc. without any warning being given first - this should be a choice made by the person whose information it is. NOT by some corporation!

Once someone has one piece of that info they can stalk that person for life. For life. Imagine all that's possible with basically turning the internet into one big bathroom wall.

I agree, LL should have been more careful with this.

Although, which information is displayed to 'everyone' IS a choice people have. It's in their facebook privacy settings. I think we can't blame LL completely for linking to what is by definition publicly accessible information. People need to simply be more careful what they expose to 'everyone'. This has been an issue with Facebook for years now.

It's not like one google search of their avatar name would not give you exactly the same results.

Not sure if you are replying to me or to topic overall, but you quoted me so I just wish to clarify: I never mentioned Linden Lab.

I was talking about Facebook. As I said, when I went there today, all my old settings had been *changed* to be more accessible. What I had intended to be only visible to me was now visible to friends and to their friends as well. That just is not acceptable.

There is always a 'friend' or two who was a marginal call, and shouldn't have the person's home information. Even with partial information you can find anyone within seconds now, thanks to legal search methods I won't name here.

I did exactly the same today.
Don't forget to also update your 'friends of friends' section on applications. Otherwise all apps that friends are running have access to ALL your info.

Not LL, Facebook.

It's a policy change by Facebook that changed what's visible on your Facebook account.

yeah, I need to second that....the aol email feeding maneuver that I described, is a facebook thing - it's not related to LL.

Just wondering what someone does when they click the link on the sl homepage. Will they plug in their rl account? or will they create an acct. in their SL name (which you're not supposed to do) - - the fact that by the rules, rl information is required for fb, and it seems the default setting is to bust it out publicly....makes the two venue concepts incompatible, at opposing ends of the spectrum (at this point - until Brenda convinces everyone that we lay out all our rl info in SL too, and that becomes the norm)
In the least.....a pull down menu on that "in the loop" link, with a security warning. However...once they hit fb site, LL responsibility is gone. (tempted to use the word "liability"

Even if you click the link with your rl acct.....it's not like you're laying any info out there right away.....but if you go directly to the feed for sl....get involved....click some links here and there....

...still not necessarily a risk, since you haven't introduced your sl name. But if you're networking with a group of sl'ers....kind of likely to happen at some point.

I have never clicked on a facebook link on a web page, and I'm not about to do it using my regular browser just in case it snarfs some facebook cookies and starts cross-referencing my referrers with my real FB account.