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Verbuda Barragar
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06-15-2007 16:18
many of us are having our financial resources frozen became linden labs insist onbilling us citizens from the uk. we wish to know why are we not billed from san francisco from linden labs there or from the usa period? we are tired of calling our resources to tell them its ok . one resident took her financial resource three weeks to unfreeze her acct cause of it. tha tis awful.
Ciaran Laval
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06-15-2007 16:44
I'm not 100% sure of what the complaint is here, from my point of view I don't understand why I can't buy Lindens in pounds, but as it's the world wide web, a bank doesn't have to be in America, as Morrissey suggested "America is not the world".

Having a corporate HQ in America doesn't mean their bank has to be there.
Conan Godwin
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06-15-2007 16:56
From: Verbuda Barragar
many of us are having our financial resources frozen became linden labs insist onbilling us citizens from the uk. we wish to know why are we not billed from san francisco from linden labs there or from the usa period? we are tired of calling our resources to tell them its ok . one resident took her financial resource three weeks to unfreeze her acct cause of it. tha tis awful.


I read that there are more premium accounts in the EU than in the USA, so it only makes sense that LL should engineer their systems to make it easier for us than for you US folks - since more of us actually pay for their services. Previously the situation was the same for us as it is for you now.

Not long before LL becomes a British company I suspect :)
Possibly not, but as a Software Engineering undergraduate due to finish my degree in the next 18 months or so, I'm allowed a little wishful thinking!
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06-15-2007 17:00
From: Conan Godwin
I read that there are more premium accounts in the EU than in the USA, so it only makes sense that LL should engineer their systems to make it easier for us than for you US folks - since more of us actually pay for their services. Previously the situation was the same for us as it is for you now.

Not long before LL becomes a British company I suspect :)
Possibly not, but as a Software Engineering undergraduate due to finish my degree in the next 18 months or so, I'm allowed a little wishful thinking!



What country is EU?
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Snowflake Fairymeadow
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06-15-2007 17:01
From: Ciaran Laval
I'm not 100% sure of what the complaint is here, from my point of view I don't understand why I can't buy Lindens in pounds, but as it's the world wide web, a bank doesn't have to be in America, as Morrissey suggested "America is not the world".

Having a corporate HQ in America doesn't mean their bank has to be there.


I will explain what the complaint is.

Many US users are being charged an additional "international transaction fee" to pay a US-based company (LL). Lots of companies outsource overseas, however, in my own experience, LL is the only one that triggers an additional fee when I pay the bill.
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06-15-2007 17:01
I've never seen a company that makes it so hard for people to give them their money. There are counless companies that deal across borders that don't put htier customers through this. LL needs to figure out a way for all residents to pay with the least amount of hassle. That's just good business sense, something it seems they lack. Be careful about wishing for a job with LL, you just may get it.
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Ashlynn Dawn
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06-15-2007 17:06
No, America is not the world, however this is a company that is based there so the billing would logically be from there, where they have the laws and restrictions or such that need to be applied. Its not a matter of what country has more paying customers, its about a company in a country billing from another. To solve the problem, they should probably have seperate billing in a couple of countries. Then again, there will always be a country complaining of issues and being left out if that was to happen anyway. :rolleyes:
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06-15-2007 17:06
From: Ciaran Laval
I'm not 100% sure of what the complaint is here, from my point of view I don't understand why I can't buy Lindens in pounds, but as it's the world wide web, a bank doesn't have to be in America, as Morrissey suggested "America is not the world".
He also stated quite categorically that London is Dead.
From: Ciaran Laval
Having a corporate HQ in America doesn't mean their bank has to be there.
If a company is based in the United States, you expect to be billed in dollars through a US bank. For those living in the US, such an eccentric* billing system might result in them being charges currency conversion fees. I don't think it's much to ask to be informed of crucial information like that.
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06-15-2007 17:12
From: Dytska Vieria
What country is EU?
The European Union. A supranational and intergovernmental union of twenty-seven countries, most of which use a single currency: The Eurodollar.

The United States of Europe basically. It'll happen one day, but hopefully I'll be dead by then.
Conan Godwin
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06-15-2007 17:14
From: Dytska Vieria
What country is EU?


27 of them.

European Union.
Conan Godwin
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06-15-2007 17:19
From: Object Pascale
He also stated quite categorically that London is Dead.If a company is based in the United States, you expect to be billed in dollars through a US bank. For those living in the US, such an eccentric* billing system might result in them being charges currency conversion fees. I don't think it's much to ask to be informed of crucial information like that.


Well, given that London is the centre for the worlds capital markets, I'd say it's very much alive - just not in the way The Mozzer mean't. I daresay they will be charged, but that's life and rather them than us. Now they have been informed.
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06-15-2007 17:24
From: Conan Godwin
Personally, I'm looking forward to all those Americans having their smug grins wiped of their faces when they realise that a United States of Europe would become the dominant economic and millitary power on the planet. The EU as it is now already has a GDP roughly 8 times that of the USA. Bye bye United States hegemony /me waves
What have I started? This is why I hate nationalism. The "we're better than/have got more than" you chants arrive before the first hurdle.
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06-15-2007 17:38
Originally Posted by Conan Godwin:
Personally, I'm looking forward to all those Americans having their smug grins wiped of their faces when they realise that a United States of Europe would become the dominant economic and millitary power on the planet. The EU as it is now already has a GDP roughly 8 times that of the USA. Bye bye United States hegemony /me waves

I see you have already pasted the smugness on your face. :rolleyes: I look forward too to the day that the Ewww takes over the World. We've been doing it for over 50 years and we are tired. You can have the job. And we'll wave as the Chinese overrun you instead of US. ;) PS: You can have the UN too. We'll ship that cabal of Socialist Thieves right over. You can have NATO too. I'm sure we can mange without it.
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06-15-2007 17:42
From: Brenda Connolly
Originally Posted by Conan Godwin:
Personally, I'm looking forward to all those Americans having their smug grins wiped of their faces when they realise that a United States of Europe would become the dominant economic and millitary power on the planet. The EU as it is now already has a GDP roughly 8 times that of the USA. Bye bye United States hegemony /me waves

I see you have already pasted the smugness on your face. :rolleyes: I look forward too to the day that the Ewww takes over the World. We've been doing it for over 50 years and we are tired. You can have the job. And we'll wave as the Chinese overrun you instead of US. ;) PS: You can have the UN too. We'll ship that cabal of Socialist Thieves right over. You can have NATO too. I'm sure we can mange without it.


Since NATO exists inorder to give you the chance to interfere in Europe, we'll let you keep it - for old times sake. Although, it's worth noting that I editted my post to remove the above quoted remark precisely to avoid this kind of silly childish arguement. Oh well, the trolls are getting faster I'm afraid.
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06-15-2007 17:42
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I see you have already pasted the smugness on your face. :rolleyes: I look forward too to the day that the Ewww takes over the World. We've been doing it for over 50 years and we are tired. You can have the job. And we'll wave as the Chinese overrun you instead of US. ;) PS: You can have the UN too. We'll ship that cabal of Socialist Thieves right over. You can have NATO too. I'm sure we can mange without it.
Just imagine: English, French and German soldiers fighting on the same side. It's a Monty Python script waiting to happen.
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06-15-2007 17:44
From: Conan Godwin
Since NATO exists inorder to give you the chance to interfere in Europe, we'll let you keep it - for old times sake. Although, it's worth noting that I editted my post to remove the above quoted remark precisely to avoid this kind of silly childish arguement. Oh well, the trolls are getting faster I'm afraid.
Uh, I'm a troll for not having the foresight to realise you'd delete your provocative remark? Sheesh, thanks.
Ciaran Laval
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06-15-2007 17:44
From: Snowflake Fairymeadow
I LL is the only one that triggers an additional fee when I pay the bill.


LL don't trigger the fee, they explained this in a blog, your bank does, complain to your bank.
Conan Godwin
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06-15-2007 17:45
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Just imagine: English, French and German soldiers fighting on the same side. It's a Monty Python script waiting to happen.


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06-15-2007 17:46
From: Brenda Connolly
Originally Posted by Conan Godwin:
Personally, I'm looking forward to all those Americans having their smug grins wiped of their faces when they realise that a United States of Europe would become the dominant economic and millitary power on the planet. The EU as it is now already has a GDP roughly 8 times that of the USA. Bye bye United States hegemony /me waves

I see you have already pasted the smugness on your face. :rolleyes: I look forward too to the day that the Ewww takes over the World. We've been doing it for over 50 years and we are tired. You can have the job. And we'll wave as the Chinese overrun you instead of US. ;) PS: You can have the UN too. We'll ship that cabal of Socialist Thieves right over. You can have NATO too. I'm sure we can mange without it.



Aside from that the fact is he's completely wrong:

USA GDP in 2006 about US$13.22 trillion

EU GDP in 2006 about US$14.5 trillion

Which make him about 730% wrong by my math.
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06-15-2007 17:48
From: Conan Godwin
Since NATO exists inorder to give you the chance to interfere in Europe, we'll let you keep it - for old times sake. Although, it's worth noting that I editted my post to remove the above quoted remark precisely to avoid this kind of silly childish arguement. Oh well, the trolls are getting faster I'm afraid.

All those nice silly chidish comments I labbored to write and you throw the weakest one back. NATO.? I'd have latched onto the UN or getting overrun by the Chinese part myself.
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06-15-2007 17:50
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or getting overrun by the Chinese part myself.


Everyone is going to get overrun by the Chinese. It's hardly worth debating.
Conan Godwin
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06-15-2007 17:51
From: Brenda Connolly
All those nice silly chidish comments I labbored to write and you throw the weakest one back. NATO.? I'd have latched onto the UN or getting overrun by the Chinese part myself.


Nah, China's still basically a third world country. Their military technology is already obsolete. The oft quoted statistic that the PLA can field over 3000 tanks fails to take into account that the majority of them are old Russian T42s, which were designed in the 1960s. They're what are euphemistically referred to as a "human resource rich" country. I don't think any of us on either side of the Atlantic have much to fear from them.
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06-15-2007 17:52
From: Conan Godwin
27 of them.

European Union.


Duh!

The point is, when it benefits a "we are bigger than you" defense, EU is compared against America (a country). But the truth is, there is quite a bit of dislike amoung the people of EU countries and there always will be. They don't get along enough to ever form a single country. I am not going to give examples. Yes, I've lived there, glad I dont now.
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06-15-2007 17:52
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Uh, I'm a troll for not having the foresight to realise you'd delete your provocative remark? Sheesh, thanks.

Worse than a troll: Someone who makes a provacative statement, that admittedly could come true, but then takes it down before anyone can answer it. Never take back your thoughts. You can apologize if they offend.
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06-15-2007 17:52
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Aside from that the fact is he's completely wrong:

USA GDP in 2006 about US$13.22 trillion

EU GDP in 2006 about US$14.5 trillion

Which make him about 730% wrong by my math.


Link for evidence?
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