Are Bots Disproportionate

The search and asset servers utilize the same data pipeline, so if there's a disproportionate amount of load on the search server, the asset server, which is involved in teleporting, rezzing objects, and inventory access, gets lagged all to hell. So there's a possibility that a lot of the recent problems with tp, rezzing, etc. are related to the fact that there are at least 6 landbots hammering the search server. I think the fact that LL recently throttled the frequency with which one can refresh land searches is strong evidence that something is going on with search traffic.

Fine this is your opinion. But you are not a grid monkey so you don't know. I find it extremely unreasonable that LL would purposely allow a handful of bot runners to cripple the grid for everyone else. That just is not happening and until a Linden says it is happening, I will not believe it. It is irrational to think otherwise.

I agree though unfortunately while LL wouldn't let them cripple the grid they don't show the same concern for the economy which they're letting the bot runners loot and pillage, the vikings would be proud.

Information on how the grid works is easy enough to find out with the Internet and Google, so it's hardly my opinion. Feel free to look for yourself if that's not too much trouble for you. It's not a state secret. And LL has a number of reasons why they may be hesitating to deal with this issue, although we can see that the search throttle is one attempt they've already tried in order to ease the load. There was a lot of negativity aimed at LL when it was announced they were going open source, and since landbots are one negative outcome of that move, LL may be hesitant to admit that downside. THIS IS MY OPINION, by the way. Or it may be that, as some have stated (although I'm not so sure I believe this myself), LL may have a vested interest in landbots similar to the recent admin scandals on Eve Online. Or it may simply be LL's habit of taking months to get around to anything. Have you tried filing an AR lately?

Well I doubt there are any conspiracies going on. I know all to well that ARs vanish without a word and that is a customer support issue not a technical one. The Lindens know what their plan is. We don't.

No matter how many "opinion polls" you and the other person start in the HELP forum, they have no basis or bearing on how LL decides to run their business. There was overwhelming opinion against the removal of stipends for basics, overwhelming opinion against removal of developer incentives, and also a large opinion against the killing of the firstland program. Our opinion has little effect on what direction LL decides to take their business. We just have to adjust whenever LL decides to change the rules.

True. LL has a history of ignoring their customers' wishes. That will also likely come back to bite them someday when, as inevitably will happen, some better virtual world comes along that does provide decent customer service. But I've never been the type to respond by tossing my hands up and saying "oh well, no point in fighting" and just rolling over and letting them do what they want. Many battles in history have been won because people were willing to fight against seemingly insurmountable odds.

This is true - Our opinions are definitely very much a back burner buzzing AT MOST to Linden Labs.

However even when marginalized, people still like to act like we arent. Thus we get these polls.

When realisitically LL will make all their decisions based on business reasons, for everything that comes up.

They know their typical customers are only interested in partying and playing house, and thus have no real opinion on any of these things.

I couldn't care less about this. Party at my House.

tristan Eliot is probably not invited.

Woot

*hooowwwllllzzz* (with a stupid coyote howl sound)

LMAO (follwed by horrible snorting laugh gesture and falling on ground animation)

good im all party gestured compatible again.

Don't most 'Yes or No' polls also give you a 'Don't Know/Don't Care' option? Tsk.

Nah you get an invite for the Tribble reference.

What's this I've been hearing about the days when pie used to be an option in polls? I am quite fond of pie. I think SL would be a happier place if we had more pie. Perhaps we could all bring pies to Brenda's party and invite the bots, and have a sing-a-long and be friends and stuff?

It does make me sad though that it's become apparent that LL bases their decisions solely on the segment of the population that will bring in the most money - corporations and the partying fools that spend lots of $.

Hmm...sad... perhaps I should have some pie and feel better. Oh crap, I'm still at work. Oh well.

My bot is proportioned quite similarly to my other avatars as can be seen in this video footage. It's a video capture of my bot (the blue dude) getting his ass whupped by Xiang Hifeng, and as you plainly see he is not disproportionate at all.

Not really trolling, though I am being somewhat sarcastic, because while I know the OP is on a mission to eradicate *land*bots, the poll doesn't mention them.

I make bots that do not steal or harm others in any way (except in pvp combat, hehe) and are generally liked by the people that encounter them.

You should not throw such a large blanket over bots that it includes mine

You're right, and I know for a fact that Weedy meant LANDbots, not bots in general. In fact, I hope one day you'll offer your combat bot for sale as I'd love to have one to train with in my private dojo. I have the Yasuragi Training Tools, but think your bot would help me a great deal to improve my meager skills, especially since my SL partner Aurora kicks my ass every time we fence.

Yasuragi makes some very fine training tools (and is a really nice guy btw), but they lack the whole "this thing can kill me" element that a bot fills so nicely And that is my point, landbots (however evil they may be) are getting talked about so much that it's almost as if "bot"=="landbot" just as before it was "bot"=="copybot". The proof of that is evident in the title of this very thread, where only the word "bot" is used to mean "land bot".

I don't think it will ever happen, but many people are calling for LL to disallow custom clients, and this is driven a lot by landbots as well as FUD about custom clients stealing stuff. If LL did in fact do that, my bot would cease to function, and that would be a very sad thing in my opinion.

Given how much trouble they had coping with "grey goo" attacks, it is eminently reasonable.

Linden Lab has always lacked the tools to properly debug the grid; they have little idea what impacts performance, they have difficulty determining how much resources are used by a given entity. The only reason they were successful in the self-rep DoS attacks was that the "viruses" weren't very clever. I doubt that LL could even identify bot actions let alone stop them.

During the land scanner siege of 2005, the only reason they stopped was extensive investigation and public shaming of the droid operator by initiated by Weedy. Unfortunately, it was a very different game then and I don't expect the same result this time.

What was the land scanner seige?

I thought Weedy was one of the scanner operators? So much harder to find that information to re-read it than it used to be :/

Of the bots I've seen,. the vast majority have a ridiculously narrow waist and broad shoulders, as well as being riducliusly over-muscled. So yes, bots ARE disproportionate.

In the latter of 2004 and early 2005, There was a global land scanner system. It raised alot of eyebrows, mainly because it was sending objects on every sim on the grid and using people's land without their permission.
Such a system would be difficult to run nowadays, because since then, LL has introduced higher ban lines, restricted scripting and limited object entry.



Good point.

A year ago, LL removed public land from the grid and thus nullified global land systems. I was put out of work and had to re-adapt.

I think it's completely hypocritical of LL to permit a worse system than the one they nerfed.

I was not the only scanner, the tools used were available to anyone in Second Life (ie) a simple script and were running from land I owned. I did not have access to the entire grid. Since then, Governor Linden has taken the abandoned land business into thier own coffers, which causes land to sit in unpaid tier for extended periods. Guy Linden goes around and cleans off the premium parcels for auction while the smaller lots now go exclusively to bots.

What used to be a fully automated system, now requires alot of extra manpower from LL staff and yet the end result, is the land going to bots at the same price we paid then. I resold the land cheap (as any baron will attest) so they could make a profit too. Unlike bots, who mainly sell the land for as much as the end market can handle.

To add insult to injury now, what used to be "First Land", now goes to bots too.

Tell me, you cannot see alot of irony in this? The main difference being, while I scanned, the land market continued as it always did and continued as such for another year.

It's a classic case of robbing Peter to pay Paul, and I was greatly affected by the changes and this is one of the reasons I am calling foul today, when it comes to landbots.

From the TOS:

4.5 Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may use and create software that provides access to the Servers for substantially similar function (or subset thereof) as the Viewer.

Today I uncovered an exploit which violates this rule. If you cancel a land sale, you recieve confirmation from the SL servers "This land is not for sale", yet the bot still comes along and buys it anyway, which clearly indicates they are operating in a method which is DISSIMILAR to the SL viewer.

This is not the only aspect which isn't similar, but this noteworthy, because the floater confirmed the land is not for sale.

See for yourself: http://members.shaw.ca/weedy_herbst/images/not_for_sale.jpg

Or better yet, try it yourself. I replicated it 5 times in a row.

Clearly an exploit.

That's pretty serious, I think that exploit along with the old one where the bot relisted the bought land instantly causing the new human buyer to pay a higher price than shown are due to the code being designed for and tested with humans and not tested with anything as fast as a bot.