Stand Up Against Porn!

And watch the mini amount places appear...........But really i understand the concept.

one little thingy LindenLab could do is to insert a filter into the cient for password parent control.

Hmmm.... Isn't mature "mature" for a reason? For me it always meant that I can expect mature content. And if I end up in a mature area that is "too much" in my opinion I TP out.

There are many area's in mature sims without a lot of porn. Stick to those and to PG sims.

I think the person who feel uncomfortable with the amount of porn can handle this herself/himself.

Morwen/

Due to the proportion of Mature areas created, many of us during the last three months had to grab their land in Mature sims. I don't have a problem with that. I could see it was Mature but it really didn't matter to me.

I can't think of anywhere I've been where there was porn 'in your face' other than indoors, usually after passing warning signs about content and minimum age. I know I've barely see .05% of the world so far but can't think of one occasion I met porn where I didn't expect it.

Now, both my avs share two favourite spots. One's a pub with dance floor. There's a notecard at entering explaining the owners rules of no porn etc. The other a club with a suggestive name. No warnings at the entrance but inside (inside only) a slide show of in-world pics, some heading to mature only as far as topless dancers, where there are at times 'live' topless dancers including one of the club owners. In all my visits there, there's never been any more mature content or conversation. It really is a nice place I point my friends toward.

There are some other places where there are RL stills and even video walls I've seen, but they are again indoors and very appropriately named. Some of the more xxx places are quite difficult to get into, some being skyboxes with teleporters.

I have never 'accidently' been confronted with what I would call porn.

And imagine what that would do to database load ...

How about 2 new continents?


Sodom and Gomorrah


J/K


I think it crosses the line when it goes from Avatar Porn to Real Life pics of porn. Drives me up the wall when I see the real life pics in search when I am looking for something.

I've seen large stores selling sex animations in PG sims. I've also had plenty of "mature" businesses and events pull up with Mature unchecked in Search. I think the OP's point that this could make SL look less professional and desirable to other businesses is well taken.

Surely the store owners are in breach of TOS or Community Standards if they are allowing this. I'd Abuse Report them.
The tools are there.

Solstice, I've been so used to Search not working .. I rarely go there

Then the goal should be keep mature content out of PG sims (search included). With that I agree completely... because what I already said, mature is mature and PG is PG.

But this is not what I see the op asking. She talks about a "very mature" land, which I can only read as she wants changes to the current mature land... and with that I don't agree.

Morwen.

I agree ... er .. disagree ... er .. what Morwen said!

Hi Morwen! <wave>

Stand Up Against Censorship!!

It's pretty simple I think. If you don't want to be confronted with porn or violence, go to the PG areas.

You speak of 'normal people'. What are normal people?

I'm glad that SL allows the freedom to let people do what they want. If you don't like that, go to a place in SL where restrictions to behaviour apply.

Gotta invite you over at my place then. hehe.

I've come across in your face hardcore stuff. In most cases because I looked for it.

The idea of 'zoning' adult content is one that is being considere for web content. Adult websites would have to adopt a .xxx domain. Most people in the adult industry are against this because they have invested a lot of money marketing their .coms. In principle, though, I think it's a good idea. I'm all for freedom of speech but I also think that one should respect those who do not wish to be exposed to adult content.

The same questions are being asked by adult webmasters as to what constitutes adult content. My own site is satirical but links to xxx content. It's a spoof news site and part of the joke is that I do not use obscene language and cover naughty bits of pics with pretty flowers. So it's 'cleaner' than myspace, youtube and many mainstream sites but still very adult. Will I have to migrate to an .xxx domain?

My case might not be clear cut but in most cases one can distingish fairly easily between mature and hardcore. In SL, walking around naked may be 'mature' but having sex in public might be 'hardcore', for example.

The issue here is not one of censorship but access.

.. but Casper, posters are reporting finding mature content in PG land ... against the rules!!!!!

When everyone here is over 18, theres no reason too. Or at least SUPPOSED to be over 18.



Then go ZONE yourself into a pg sim. It is CENSORSHIP to try to say no porn in MATURE regions.

Neither have I, but nudity is everywhere. As are scantily clad women - SL pics, RL pics and avatars. Haven't seen that many scantily clad men - just the occasional comedy attachment.

Now you and I don't consider all the above porn. If anyone is encountering porn "everywhere" then they are travelling in some ropey neighbourhoods or they have a different definition of porn from you and I. Can't really discuss the issues of segregation/ghetto-isation/censorship until you define the parameters.

As far as community standards are concerned, remember that other cultures will take a totally different view to one another. Europeans, by and large, are much less likely to be offended by nudity. And in my opinion are less likely to automatically view it in a purely sexual context. While I've heard that America consumes far more actual pornagraphy per capita then anywhere else.

So is SL going to go for the American model - loads of hard core sex but only behind closed doors and hidden from view - or a more relaxed European model - nudity and soft core is visible but you have to seek out hard core?

*Gives the European model a vote*

Morwen.

I find I rarely see porn/sex content and I'm on SL a lot. Of course, I rarely visit malls, and therein lies my main annoyance with porn in SL. Every mall has an abundance of sex on display. I've certainly gone out of my way to make my store/land a place where visitors won't be visually accosted by sex products for sale.

Cool, then after that we can ghettoize those nasty Furries. Then the Christians, damn it, hate having them near me.

Oh and those intellectual artist types? Segregation is too good for 'em, line 'em up against the wall in Jesse.

But it is the avatars who wear immodest clothes that really get my dander up. Unless they are clothed from chin to ankle, they really shouldn't be here. Oh, and women should wear veils so that I'm not tempted to impure thought by their vFlesh.

Despite what you may have been told in high school civics, the Puritans left England for North America - not because they were being persecuted for their religious beliefs - but because they were pissing people off by trying to impose their beliefs on others.

She's not saying 'no porn in MATURE regions' but suggesting that porn should be limited to particular areas.

As I mentioned in my post this is not a question of censorship but of access.

Also, do we all agree that there a different levels of adult content and that some of it is inappropriate for public viewing even in a mature sim?

InRL bars and clubs here in the UK, where everyone is 18, public nudity and sex are not permitted. If you want to get naked and have sex you have to go to your own home. Is this segregation?

The mere fact that LL has provided PG and Mature areas should in my view indicate that PG areas should be of sufficient public decency to be the sort of place you wouldn't mind showing your mother. For anything and everything else you have Mature.

I don't think my mother would have liked somewhere exhibiting nude pictures and selling sex aids. I think this sums up the basic complaint of the anti-porn posters here. In this respect I agree with them. So, I believe do LL.

Lhorentso, I agree with you that there are things that could or should be hidden from view at least with warnings even in the Mature zones.

Oh, you have only sex at your home?
*walks giggling away*

(I agree though with what you say... to a certain level that is )

Morwen.

I think a lot of folks agree with that statement in principle, but the "slippery slope" comes into play when you try to put it into practice. Most people think there is a certain level that is inappropriate, but just try to get any two of them to agree on where to draw the line. I'm not truly offended by adult content, but I don't care for it either, so unless I have a good reason to be there I stay away from it. No one can force you to stay somewhere you don't want to be. Teleport home usually always works to extract you from such a situation.

Right now I do sympathize with property owners who get a raunchy sex club for a neighbor and really object to that kind of stuff. I just sold my land, not because of a sex club, but because somebody built a huMONgous temple that blocked my view of the ocean. I am a pagan myself so I certainly didn't object to the temple, but I already had a 20 story stone wall on one side, an ugly big@$$ red privacy fence on the other, and a steep hillside at the rear. Now there was another 20 story stone wall in front. I was essentially at the bottom of a well. It wasn't my neighbors' problem to build to suit me, though, so I sold out. Now, I'm hoping I can find an affordable plot with protected land along one property line so my view won't get completely blocked off, and neighbors that I can live with.

As far as the big real-world businesses are concerned, they always seem to have their own islands. I think we should give them enough credit for common sense to keep unwanted elements off their own land. GM, for example, can easily afford to get as many sims as they want. They won't have any need to refer their customers anywhere they might see porn.

I think the real issue here is, if somebody wants a mall with no porn allowed, I don't think trying to clip the wings of people who like it is the way to go about it. Instead they should get some land in a PG sim and make one, then visit it often enough to police what their renters are selling. Advertise it as a place where shoppers can go without being offended. Start a club with a dress code and hire some avatars as bouncers to keep things clean. I would love to have a place like that to shop and relax and hang out, as long as it didn't turn into a specifically Christian place where as a pagan I wouldn't feel welcome. Create an alternative then let the marketplace determine if there's enough demand for PG malls and clubs to keep it open.

Kathryn

Once upon a time, when I was a young avatar (Ok, actually when my previous avatar was a young avatar) there were a lot more PG sims. The reality is that nobody wanted them. When a significant portion of the land was PG, every land ad noted whether it was PG or M and the prices on M were far higher.

The market has spoken. Honestly, I would like to see more non-club places to gather. I would like to see people be more respectful. I would like to see more casual normal clothing and less club clothing. I'd like more skins without makeup. I'd like more events like Desi's monday night women's chat, where we talk about serious issues.

But M sims aren't ubiquitous because of some force from above. It's not like Linden went out and said "adult content is going to be the standard." They said you can have either, and people bought more and more and more M. M is ubiquitous because that's what the market has demanded. If you create VM land, in a year, 90% of the land will be VM and someone will be calling for VVM.

If you do see adult content in a PG sim, then complain. That's wrong. I know how frustrating it is to feel like nothing is being done. And I agree completely about the search stuff. Searches are being abused in so many ways it's hard to count them all.