Stand Up Against Porn!

I bet that title will get a lot of people attention. And give me a lot of enemies. My point here is however not to say that, something there's an obvious demand for, should seese to exist.

On the contrary. As there are an obvious demand for porn, let it be, but can we please keep it out of EVERYWHERE?

I love SL, and I would more than gladely show it to others. Explaining the essence and the good parts of it, scripting, building, clothing and all that. But wherever I turn to show them, we end up seeing some exposed girl on some ad or some porn-club, whatever.

Also, SL are attracting some well financed real businees. But honestly, how well did they check what they did before joining? I would for sure NOT want to have any relations to this game (as it is now) if I had some serious business. How could a serious business like General Motors excuse that their customers, at any time, might get exposed to some very uncensored porn?

We have PG land, we have Mature land. Can we get a VM land? Very Mature?
Would be nice to have a normal land where normal people can play. Gah, I guess it's impossible to draw the lines. I don't know.

Porn is attending people, but it's also pushing people away.

I don't know how to end this. We have a xxx-business that will always exist because of demand and we have a another business that don't like to be associated with the first. So what do we do? How do we co-exist?

Please continue!

Title is maybe missleading but it draws attention. Co-operation is a key here.

There is no need for very mature land, we have mature land. If you don't like the content of mature land, stay in pg land. That's what it is for. If it makes you feel better, imagine the mature land is really called very mature land and imagine the pg land is really called something else too. I don't want to be censored in second life. There is enough censorship in real life.

I think porn should be kept inside. Just as it is in real life.

You may drive by a strip joint, but you don't see the naked women in the street.

coco

General Motors should harness the power of porn.

I'm just trying to express my impression that wherever I turn there's porn. So if I turn away, there's more. Ok; i can close my eyes, but isn't it getting too much? too dominating?

I manage to come inworld for a couple of hours a day most days, doing a lot of different things in a lot of different places, and y'know, I never seem to encounter all the porniness that you seem to keep tripping over.

Second Life is for adults, 18 and over. Adult activity (i.e., sexually explicit activity) does and will take place, not unlike in RL. It's always available to those who seek it, but by my experience it is incredibly easy to avoid.

You're not going to get very far trying to ban it, or banish it. It's legal, it's sought out by many residents and it isn't going to go away, whether you like it or not. If you keep running into it, maybe you should frequent less porny sims.

Seriously though, there are over 6,000 sims in the grid, lots of them are PG (no adult content) and you should stick to those for the most part. Also, many residential sims are strictly zoned, and there are many mature sims that have no porn either. Have you visited Dublin? Mature, yet porn-free, and one of the best places in SL, in my highly biased opinion.

Your best bet is to live and let live and banish nothing but your thoughts of censorship.

Guess I'm just surprized of the big demand of pixel-sex. It's surprizing me. I can stay away of it, no problem with that. But could I ever recomend a company to develop a businees in such an "unstable" environment? I've seen a lot of adz lately with girls pushing up theirs genders in my face, sorry if I'm teleporting too much.

Freedom of speach is very important, as is censoring, we don't want that. And we can never have to much porn can we?

If we have too much porn, the demand won't keep up with the supply, and there will be less profit, and thus less porn. The only reason we have this much porn, is because people want, and are willing to pay for this much porn. Many people feel more free in sl than in rl and are willing to give in to their true desires without the restrictions enforced on them by their prudish societies. Hundreds of years ago, most of the world was governed by the church, now we're goverened by republicans so we haven't really come all that far. In sl we can finally break free of that and if you are not pleased with the results then maybe it simply isn't for you.

I think we should have one unified cluster of sims for "Mature" sex stuff. Have the old "mature" sims become "R" or something. And then of course PG.

Going further, another less-than-desirable aspect of SL is gambling. It would be good to have a single unified district for this also, instead of ruining sims for other residents by 43029 people building 45904530 casinos.

Of course either won't happen because it would require a massive overhaul. However, with the new continent coming, it would be an excellent opportunity to test what it would be like to use different districts of sims for specific things, e.g. commercial, residential, sex, club, casino, and "other" or hangouts.

You know what Whoopzy...I absoloutely agree. It's dominating SecondLife...I mean...I know sex sells, but c'mon! )
!Brita

From the perspective of a pornographer, SL is a land of opportunity. Another medium to be able to offer what people want, and a rather interesting one too.

Personally speaking, I agree that a lot of the XXX is too much in your face. Having said that, I like the anarchy of SL. But maybe what Aminom suggests is a good compromise.

Lhorentso, ty. Just love that post. We can't deny there's a demand. So let's be fair with that. I HATE LAWS. But I love good compromices, especially if you can agree on them The xxx-market is here to stay (we all know it). But they, as we, would gain from exposing themselves directly to pressumabe customers, instead of everyone.

Much better if the xxx-market internally competes about customers in one certain area than all over the place. If you're out to find, trust me you'll find it.

Finally we're getting somewhere.

This could go for casinos as well.

Here's an idea:

If or when you texture an object with an image of that kind, you should have to flag it. Give the user and option to turn these off in preferances.

A good deal of completely innocent keywords will return one or more adult orientented sites on pretty much any search engine, but that doesn't stop businesses from using the internet.
It might be present, but unless you're actually clicking (teleporting) there it's simply a nuisance.

I'm not sure what your definition of porn is when applied to SL either, since in all my time on SL I've yet to encounter any actual porn (real life people engaging in sex, or nudity with non-erotic intent) in places where it would inappropriate or misplaced (if you're tp'ing to an adult place it might still be tasteless, but it's at least expected) .

Tufif is on target,if the mature area are remove a very percent of the people will leave Second Life.

I was a bit unclear about my Very Mature statement, I ment it to still be available for Mature. As someone else said, an island or continent separated somehow. I think both the xxx-market and others would gain from more direct advertizing instead of advertizing the whole world.

Since this would effectively rezone all matur eland-and there is less pg land than mature, make 'G' sims and rezone all the pg instead. Its alot less land to have to relocate people, and if you're wanting others to relocate and rezone, be willing to do it yourself.

Don't tell your neighbour to move if YOU have the problem. YOU move.



Its flagged at the top, when it says (Mature). Want to turn it off? Stay in (PG)

I like my porn filled land... well, technically my land ain't filled with porn, but i do enjoy the other folks porn filled lands.


Stand Up Against Censorship!!

Stop trying to skirt the faux pas of saying the word "censoring" out loud and just come out and say it. You want to censor Second Life more than it's already segregated. Fine! It's okay to think that. However, let's broaden what you're trying to say. It's coming across as you don't like a particular industry, therefore you think it should be restricted to certain areas you don't think you'll ever go to.

I'm pretty sure that many people here don't think it's okay for Linden to cater to opinions like this, especially when they're trying to have a very hands-off approach, and people keep begging them to start interfering with what has naturally grown these last few years! Think about what you're implying. Do you want Linden to interfere? What are the implications of them doing so?

I'm of the opinion that we have Mature and PG sims for a reason. You're not being forced to look, you're not being forced to live or hang out on Mature land. Just like the people who find ageplay distasteful don't have to be in sims where it's acceptable. Just like the people who think roleplaying is silly don't have to be in sims where that happens either.

It isn't CENSORSHIP, It is ZONING. There's a huge difference. Zoning makes sense, because the grid would be less of a hodgepodge of random elements making it very difficult to find anything specific. Add to that the keyword abuse of the search, and you have a situation where the only way to find specific things is either word of mouth or by randomly going around places. Even random exploration is greatly hampered by the use of camping chairs which artificially distort the "popularity" of places.

If you have a problem with PORN or anything else in SL.... ignore it.... geez... it really is simple.

There's already all kinds of zoned sims out there - many private islands have zoning rules. And as has already been pointed out, the mainland is mildly 'zoned' already for PG and Mature. I can't understand what is so inadequate about that? Again as others have said - if one doesn't like the Mature sims, don't go into them.

Or is the implication that a certain amount of maturity is ok but at some point it becomes 'too much'? Then who decides what is 'too much'? That's where you get into a really slippery slope, I think... Any time you have one group dictating to the whole population what's acceptable and what isn't. Yeah that's censorship again, isn't it?

Really, what is wrong with the current setup of Mature sims and PG sims? Personally I don't have a problem with the stuff. If I find it offensive (and some of it really bothers me) I just look away, teleport away, or don't go in the first place. But I made sure my home and business were both in a Mature sim because I wanted the option. I decide what's ok for me to see and I don't need, or want, and would fight to prevent, someone else making that decision for me.

-Atashi

hahaha well since 70% of sl is mature more like porn driven. This thread is a bit strange.

Here are two things that can help you filter the content you do not want to see.

1) Uncheck the box that allows you to find mature areas in the search.

2) Remove all of your landmarks that are to areas of mature content.


P.S. While I am all for freedom of expression and free enterprise, I wonder how long it will be before the government does step in on some of the Second Life content. Without enforcing a way to verify your age such as with a credit card, it is very easy for an underage person to have access to all kinds of mature content on the adult grid. It is most likely a matter of time before the government "cracks down" on the mature and copyrighted materials in Second Life much like it has recently dealing with http://www.myspace.com and http://www.youtube.com