When To AR? (sexual ageplay)

Going by what Robin stated on the blog if anyone sees the following it is a bannable offense and should be AR'd:

1. RL child pornography
2. Sexual activities between an adult appearing av and a childlike av.



She goes on:



So what should be reported and what shouldn't be? The reason I ask is that I ran across a child av last night with a provocative name (that I won't post here). Let's say this name was "Sexy", and it was on a child av. Is that a "depiction of a sexual or lewd act involving a minor"? What about loli's in silks?

I'm hoping that LL will clearly state what is and what is not allowed, but until then anyone have any ideas on this?

I wouldn't have thought so. It's interaction that is the issue.

What exactly is the age of consent for an avatar?

If you go by SL birthdays, the whole damn grid is filled with infants and children.

If you go by appearance, then a very young AV is pretty obvious -- say anyone with the appearance of being about 10 years old or younger. But can you say beyond a shadow of a doubt that a youngish looking AV is 15 years old instead of 18?

What if someone declares in their Profile that their SL AV is 25 years old, but to you it looks like 14? Then your best friend swears the AV doesn't look a day under 30.

Who is right? Who judges and how do you prove it?

If you were to AR a child avatar not doing anything on the grounds that they could be doing something sexual you might as well AR every single adult avatar on the grounds that they could be doing something sexual to a child avatar. It takes two to tango.

For the sake of argument, what if the av's name was Horny?

What will most Americans think of when they see that name?

The devil went down to Georgia?

Yeah, this is gonna get real messy.

AR everyone now! Why wait? They may be thinking bad thoughts.

Maybe LL should hire out minority report, or better still read the story.

If I see photos or other depictions of real children in sexual situations, I will AR pronto. Anything less than that which upsets my comfort level, I will PROBABLY just leave the area.

Perhaps ESC could develop a PornoBot.

RE: #2. This is not correct. She said that in the case that promoted her blog. was depiction of an adult and child.

She clearly stated that anyone involved in sexual or lewd acts involving minors will be terminated. An orgy of nothing but minors would result in all being banned. No "adult" avatar need be present. A lone minor avatar involved in lewd or sexual acts would also be terminated, a child avatar "pleasing themselves", for example.

Of course she does not say what a "minor" is, nor how to determine such a thing.

If you LOOK older, but STATE you are 15... I don't know what LL would say.

Similarly, if you LOOK 15 but STATE that you are 20... I also don't know what LL would say.

That is part of the problem.

Just to be on the safe side I suggest turning everyone in who is less than 7 feet tall.

Unless I were to see her grinding in the backseat of a Dominus Shadow, I'd give her the benefit of the doubt and say the name is an anglicized variant of the name Cornelia.

Can I tag anyone with the mental capacity/social graces/emotional maturity of a child?

You mean they won't be asking IQ along with social security and passport numbers???

Anyone with any kind of IQ won't be going along with LL's idea of age verification.

If there is any sexual situation where any of the avatars looks as young as the ones in that German video, or looks young enough to make me sick at heart to see what's going on, then:

1. If it's on my land or land in which I have some administration role, I will *ABSOLUTELY* and *IMMEDIATELY* file an AR and ban all involved.
   
2. If it's not on my land, I will have to judge based on the occasion on how I came to see such a thing. I will not speculate on what kinds of situations will or will not result in an AR before it happens.
   

I have no snarky questions about what constitutes simulated child abuse, it's just not a grey area for me at all, and I really am getting disgusted at all the sarcastic and disingenuous posts on these forums asking just what particular shade of grey crosses the line into unacceptable.

It's ridiculous to speculate, since the abuse reports will come from observers (or possibly nosy busybodies), and in ambiguous or arguable situations I imagine that the deciding factor will be the long-term evidence rather than strictly situational.

Lest I be accused of trolling, I am responding to the OP by attempting to clarify what will cause me personally to file an abuse report. I think this whole business stinks all the way around (I don't want to be the moral police, LL!), and I am lucky enough to never once have come across such things in Second Life so far, so it's likely that as long as people who participate in such things stay away from my businesses and "home" then it will be a non-issue.

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I haven't run across it either, but I stick in PG areas for the most part. So when I saw the av last night with a provocative name it brought up questions that I believe are legitimate ones.

It's rather subjective. I think the intent of the policy however is that if you encounter a situation where there are sexual or otherwise lewd activities occuring between 2 or more avatars, and one or more of them appears to be deliberately, and unambiguously designed to visually represent a minor (a child) - you should document it, take pics, take names, and AR it.

There's no reason for this to turn into a witch hunt. I hope it doesn't, and that everyone keeps a clear head about it all. Lots of hysteria every time something new comes along. No reason for it.

Keep an eye out for the obvious. Ignore the ambiguous, unless it's questionable/objectionable enough to report.

Well one thing about this - it better not end up being "If you know about anything like this you must report it."

The being forced to spy on your neighbors is wrong.

When to AR?

If you see it happening - which you most likely wont.

Let the busybodies and the moral crusaders do the neighbor spying.

Well, I have AR'd names before. This one likely wouldn't be objectionable on an adult av.

Atashi on a more serious note I think most of us would AR any person exhibiting images of real children being sexually abused but to AR people we suspect of engaging in ageplay, based on their appearance and name, is an entirely different matter. I really have no desire to become a morals police woman in SL and if I see something I don't like I just don't look. I have never seen any sexual ageplay in SL and I hope I never will but if I do I will run for my life.

Will I AR them? No. What other adults do in SL is really none of my business no matter what I feel about what they are doing.

So far with the ageplay, simulated pedo porn and other subjects of this kind, i see that a lot of peoples are obviously very concerned by pedophilia repression in the world, and it is good, but it is like any other crimes.

Lets look at it, what makes murder, rape, and thievery crimes?

They harm someone in a more or less permanent way and deposses a person of rightfully acquired goods. They are actions which, i the frame of our modern societies are harming one individual to the profit of another.

This is exactly the same about pedophilia; it is forbidden because it harm deeply a kid and can cause sequels that last a lifetime. Same for photos, because to make them a child will be harmed.

Now this is perfectly right to repress these activities in a peaceful society. And it is the basics of harmless relations, you won't do to someone what you wouldn't want him to do to you.

However what happen when there is no victim? When an artist made a drawing, or CG arts depicting something peoples perceive as a crime. Is it a crime itself?

lets see... is there a victim? no as it is NOT REAL.

but what that person is thinking you might ask... a person making such piece of art can only be a pedophile himself?

lets see... numerous games that exist today are built on the concept of combat and mass murder, does it makes the creators or the users of these games mass murderers? aparently not or i wouldn't be having this discussion with you.

In some places peoples play being slaves and masters, yet slavery is a crime, does it makes the persons roleplaying this slavers? nope either.

Some peoples might know about the schoolgirl fantasy, a young woman dressing like she was in her 15 or less, some of these can look really like teens (just browse some japanese porn sites and you will be convinced) is this child porn ? no.

What is an avatar? call it an advanced costuming system, so if you want to wear a robot costume, a kid costume, a wolf costume or a dragon costume, please do so.

The peoples that seems the most affected by this issue have hardwired the image and thoughts of the crime to the crime itself and have completely forgotten that our societies are putting rules so we do not harm each others and can live in harmony, these rules aren't there to impose a specific way of thinking.

Those that want to rule the thoughts and artistic creations are just control freaks or peoples that feel uneasy in their own normality and want, by bashing a small group comfort themselves that 'its us that are normal, they are freaks' .

Sorry, Kyrah. If you're saying that a drawing of, say, a 5 year old having sex with an adult is anywhere near ok and can be tolerated then I just can't agree.

The thought that somebody would want to do that really turns my stomach, even if it's not "real."