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Ari Blackthorne
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06-28-2007 11:10
From: CyFishy Traveler Perhaps they should change the way land is sold ever so slightly.
Suppose that when somebody clicks "Buy Land", instead of being transferred instantaneously, the owner is sent a notification that they can accept or decline.
So you get a screen that says "Somebody Hoofydink has offered to buy your land for L$XXXX". If Somebody Hoofydink is the person you were intending to sell it to, you click Accept. If it isn't, or if you realize that isn't the price you wanted to set it at, you click "Decline".
If you click Decline, whoever offered is sent a notice that the owner declined to sell it to you.
If people don't want to deal with this, they can toggle off the notification, but it should probably default to on.
Has anybody suggested something along these lines? If not, maybe a trip to the JIRA is in order . . . They already do this: Sell to a specific person - then use the name chooser to find them. No one can buy the land except -that- person. Now, I'm a buyer and want to buy your land. I click the buy button and get a notice saying you aren't online and I have to wait for you to approve the sale. Screw that - I'll cancel the sale and move on. Buying land is not an impulse buy. I look and look and look... when I finally make that plunge - I'm done shopping and I want to (usually) get started to developing right away, not wait around on you for who knows how many days before you decide (or accidentally) click the cancel sale - my time wasted. It works great the way it is now. You as a seller or buyer need to simply pay more attention to what you are doing before that itchy trigger finger clicks away.
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SqueezeOne Pow
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06-28-2007 11:13
From: Darius Lehane Sure, blame the victim. This has happened to much. Also these landbots are in violation of the TOS. The land should be returned by force. Anyone with landbots should be banned, and the land returned to those raped. Any remaining confiscated land should be auctioned with the proceeds going to help fight AIDS in Africa. It's not rape when you click a button that says "everyone can have sex with me for this price" and then someone pays you. If anything this person is simply a victim of his/her own ignorance of the system. Landbots seem to me to be used with the intent to buy land that is put up for sale to everyone. It's a business tool not a griefer tool as you would like to portray them. How are the owners to know if you didn't really want to put the land up for sale? Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of landbots because of the huge advantage they give certain people without giving everyone access to that technology. As far as I know not just anyone can download or buy a landbot client. I don't think anyone disagrees with the opinion that they raise some major ethics questions on the part of their users. But don't look for attention because you didn't know what you were doing when you put your land up for sale.
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Ari Blackthorne
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06-28-2007 11:13
From: Desmond Shang Well, gee, what if in a huge stream of 'friend added', 'you have sold X' and 'Avatar Y wants to tp you' blue dropdown notices you accidentally grant debit permissions to an object that drains every last $L you ever get, forever? There is such a thing as social responsibility. Live by the sword, die by the sword - it's just too easy for someone vindictive to slip ANYBODY a permissions request that they could accidentally click that causes them substantial harm. Utopia is already 'at the point of a gun' here - once a mistake is made, it's pretty much too late unless you appeal to the Lindens. And they do listen, and yes, I've seen land purchases like this kind reversed before. This is no longer the case as the new viewer causes debit permissions box to be a bright yellow - all other permissions boxes remain blue 
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SqueezeOne Pow
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06-28-2007 11:17
From: Nastasja Kostolany "edit: Oh, and there is nothing you can do. Sorry"
False. Contact an attorney. IF you are willing to spend the money, wait for a trial, and endure the aggravation, you have a very good chance to win your case. ...over about US$300.00 worth of 1s and 0s on someone else's server? If you do that you really need to re-think your life. Also, I wouldn't trust the attorney that would take that kind of case. Talk about greasy!
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Tybalt Brando
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06-28-2007 11:18
Most landbot users deserve syphillis.
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Ari Blackthorne
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06-28-2007 11:19
From: SqueezeOne Pow It's not rape when you click a button that says "everyone can have sex with me for this price" and then someone pays you.
If anything this person is simply a victim of his/her own ignorance of the system.
Landbots seem to me to be used with the intent to buy land that is put up for sale to everyone. It's a business tool not a griefer tool as you would like to portray them. How are the owners to know if you didn't really want to put the land up for sale?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of landbots because of the huge advantage they give certain people without giving everyone access to that technology. As far as I know not just anyone can download or buy a landbot client. I don't think anyone disagrees with the opinion that they raise some major ethics questions on the part of their users.
But don't look for attention because you didn't know what you were doing when you put your land up for sale. OH GAWD I hate to agree with you! yes, I hate to admit I agree they are simply a business tool and the side effect is that they whack the unitiated or simple mistake-makers - such as the one who started this thread. I hate those things too because it makes it REALLY difficult to find a good deal unless you can negotiate with someone in person (or IM) and then they sell directly to you at the lower price. I hate to agree, but on LOGICAL - not emotional grounds, I -must- agree.
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Desmond Shang
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06-28-2007 11:23
From: Ari Blackthorne This is no longer the case as the new viewer causes debit permissions box to be a bright yellow - all other permissions boxes remain blue  I've seen it done with group invites as well. Putting it bluntly there are probably a dozen ways to 'gotcha!' someone EASILY on the grid. I'm not going to make a list for scammers to copy here, but when you deal with hundreds of people daily you tend to see and hear it all. Rest assured, there's a 'gotcha' you don't know about, and all it takes is one nasty or vindictive person to target you. Surprise! It's not fair, and something should be done.
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SqueezeOne Pow
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06-28-2007 11:23
From: Tybalt Brando Most landbot users deserve syphillis. I heard most landbots actually cause Syphillis or Rickets so it works out!
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Ari Blackthorne
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06-28-2007 11:29
From: Desmond Shang I've seen it done with group invites as well. Putting it bluntly there are probably a dozen ways to 'gotcha!' someone EASILY on the grid. I'm not going to make a list for scammers to copy here, but when you deal with hundreds of people daily you tend to see and hear it all. Rest assured, there's a 'gotcha' you don't know about, and all it takes is one nasty or vindictive person to target you. Surprise! It's not fair, and something should be done. Oh, I agree. I'm just saying the debit box looking like all other perm boxes issue will, at long last, not be one of them.  As for the land SNAFU this thread is about - a landbot or person or anything else -cannot- 'buy' the land until it is flagged as "FOR SALE" - it is not flagged "for sale" until to click the sell button and confirm the warnning (yes, "WARNING"  box that appears. You say YES and done - land is for sale. Original poster made a mistake by not adding enough zeros after the 7. So, I cannot speak for other scenarios like this, but -this- one appears to be quite obvious as to what happened. I am sorry it happened. I made the same mistake 6 months ago - fortunately befaore the landbots came along, but my heart leaped into my throat when I realized I didn't set my price correctly.
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Ravanne Sullivan
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06-28-2007 11:33
The new request debit permissions popup is now very differetn from the standard "blue popups". It is larger and yellow and if you still blindly press accept you have only yourself to blame.
[SoapBox] And as to a landbot buying your land for 7,000L$ instead of the 70,000L$ you wanted to sell it for, you should not have put it up for sale at 7,000L$. No level of preprogramed safeguards can prevent human stupidity and even the smartest people can do stupid things at times. Take responsibility for your own actions and pay attention to what you are doing, too many people think of SL as only a game and do not do their due diligence when dealing with what can be some substantial sums of "money". [/SoapBox]
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Gina Jacks
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Lindens noone deserve this in SL!
06-28-2007 11:37
They have just set it back for sale for 55K
Dab spoke to this insolent bot hax which left with no mercy.
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Brenda Connolly
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06-28-2007 11:40
From: SqueezeOne Pow I heard most landbots actually cause Syphillis or Rickets so it works out! Great, now you've gone and offended people who have been persecuted cause they have Ricketts. Have you no shame.........
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SqueezeOne Pow
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06-28-2007 11:41
From: Brenda Connolly Have you no shame......... uh...was that really ever in question??
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Brenda Connolly
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06-28-2007 11:44
From: SqueezeOne Pow uh...was that really ever in question?? For once you've left me without an answer.
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SqueezeOne Pow
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06-28-2007 11:50
From: Brenda Connolly For once you've left me without an answer. I win!
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Ciaran Laval
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06-28-2007 11:54
From: Sling Trebuchet Well I did an experiment with a small plot a few days ago. There were no particular warning or popups that I saw. I didn't do the last step to actualy set the sale, but up to that point, if I wanted to sell at 0L$ to anybody, SL was quite happy with that.
You would then have got a popup asking if you were sure you wanted to set the land for sale to anyone for the price you entered.
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Brenda Connolly
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06-28-2007 11:54
From: SqueezeOne Pow I win! /me concedes this round to Squeezer 
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Arua Rotaru
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06-28-2007 11:57
From: Gina Jacks Jesus Christ, you just joined in, or are you an ALT in disguise? YOU seem to know a lot you. How on earth can you have any sympathy for the devil? Are you one of them?
Please don't come back, I am going to mute you and your insolence. just because im a few months old doesnt mean anything i read and read and read about everything im involved in if you had actually looked me up you would realize that ive been around since feb i just only recently signed up to come into the forums but it seems you dont read...double check....or research things am i one of them ? no im just someone having fun in sl and learning to make things there is no need for you to be a rude jerk though since YOU made the mistake and im glad you are going to mute me that way i dont have to deal with someone lke you
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Robustus Hax
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06-28-2007 12:09
Landbots suck, no doubt about it, but if you're playing around with property that is worth 70k then you should be educated and know they exist, which would then cause you to be very careful when selling property. Its hard to have sympathy for people who KEEP making this mistake, coming on here crying that the land was STOLEN.
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Steve Mahfouz
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one thing to mention...
06-28-2007 12:21
I'm in the land business, as is Desmond. One day when SL was freaking out software-wise, I *almost* made a mistake several times in setting prices for sale. Fortunately for me, I quadruple check my every move when I sell land, so I was not burned that day.
That day, my prices would reset to zero, oy vey.
Caveat emptor.
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Alazarin Mondrian
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06-28-2007 12:21
Oh great :\ Someone gets screwed by a landbot, reports it here and all they get is is a chorus of 'tough titty'? All I can say is that if and when this new breed of heartless blowhards get shafted, they get ruined good and proper so they know how it feels.
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Ciaran Laval
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06-28-2007 12:24
From: Alazarin Mondrian Oh great :\ Someone gets screwed by a landbot, reports it here and all they get is is a chorus of 'tough titty'? All I can say is that if and when this new breed of heartless blowhards get shafted, they get ruined good and proper so they know how it feels. Others reading this thread will hopefully see that all they're going to get is "Tough titty" and check everything before setting land for sale, that would therefore benefit other residents. There should be a sticky about this, maybe in the land sales forum.
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Steve Mahfouz
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06-28-2007 12:28
From: Ciaran Laval Others reading this thread will hopefully see that all they're going to get is "Tough titty" and check everything before setting land for sale, that would therefore benefit other residents. There should be a sticky about this, maybe in the land sales forum. This issue has been discussed ad infinitum in these forums, so a few of us may be a bit jaded by now. I certainly have total sympathy for Gina and I don't do business that way and I'm 100% sure Desmond doesn't either. However, LL has been very clear that once the sales price has been set (somehow), they will not intervene. The best bet is to go to a third party forum and state her case. She *might* get justice that way if the landbot in question won't deal with her.
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Snowflake Fairymeadow
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06-28-2007 12:30
The bottom line is: LL will probably do nothing about it until it affects THEIR bottom line, in a noticeable way. This may happen through lost revenue, or enforced regulation or negative media hype or some other means that makes the Lindens stand up and take note. Until that happens, they are not going to do anything about it, because they get the tier monies from the bots and from the people who sold the land to the bots.
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Gina Jacks
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06-28-2007 12:33
From: Robustus Hax Landbots suck, no doubt about it, but if you're playing around with property that is worth 70k then you should be educated and know they exist, which would then cause you to be very careful when selling property. Its hard to have sympathy for people who KEEP making this mistake, coming on here crying that the land was STOLEN. Listen, whoever you are, I am replying to you because you are the last one here, and with some added nonsense, and most of the people who put me down are on now on my ignore list, including you. I am no masochist 1 - don't try to be smart and use words I didn't use, ok? I didn't say stolen anywhere did I? 2 - I do not care for people who use or support bots users, that' s my choice. 3 - This thread is to give a message out there, and tell about this bunch and what they do. 4 - Don't assume that I don't know what I am doing, it's foolish of you, maybe it was a mistake, maybe it wasn't. As far as I can tell there are two are three sad characters taking pleasure in putting me down, and insulting me. Never-mind, to you, my message is this one: I am too special and you are muted, go back where you belong, with people like you who enjoy misery. The few of you who were kind to me and sympathized, thank you, it's all I am asking, a little re-comfort, it's a such a nice feeling to know that there are people out there sharing the same passion for peace and love.
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