We got done!!! 70K

Right, this is out of order, the SIM was empty we have a scanner, so we knew nobody was watching, we use "disable camera constraints" so we can see up to four SIM, we have the mini map open and we always monitor. We just set the parcel for sale, 1 second exactly after while we were going to setup the land options, we see it was a different owner!!!
Jesus, we though it's impossible, we just set it and the SIM + SIM nearby was empty!!!
We look on the group figures, it got purchased for 7K!!

What do we do now? We send an AR, we tried to call LL - no answers, is there an other tel number out there, this is organized crime and the worst exploit I ever seen in SL, how can this happen, this people should be JAILED!!!!

So, is it 70,000L$ or 7000L$?

And why on earth wouldn't you set for sale to a specific resident?!?!?!?


THAT IS YOUR ONLY SECURITY!!!!

edit: Oh, and there is nothing you can do. Sorry!

It was a landbot, sadly enough there's nothing you can do. The sale was legit, I'm sorry for your loss though and yes these ppl should be jailed.

Mandy C

There should be a sticky in the forums and an blog announcement about bots.

Unfortunately there is nothing technically wrong with what has happened, there is a lot ethically wrong but you have no way of getting your land back unless the person whom purchased the land sells it back to you.

If I didn't think it would get abused I'd support naming and shaming of those who use bots, however I fear it would be abused.

However the message unfortunately is that you should never ever set land for sale to anyone if you don't want "anyone" to buy that land.

Our land got purchased for 7K instead of 70K. The scam happened within a sec, not even the time to set the properties for the land. Yes, a second!!!

Why would I set it to a specific resident anyway, It was for anyone to buy, at 70K not 7K

I'm sorry to hear this. It's happened to a lot of people, but as others have said, nothing more can be done except a) go directly to the new owner and plead your case or b) go to a third-party forum and state your case. This thread will get locked very soon because the rules forbid naming names, sorry.

First you set it for sale to a specific resident, change the options, set the price and then set it for sale to everyone.

Mandy C

It pays to check, double-check and then triple-check the price you have set before clicking the final "sell land" button...

Whilst I would be equally as annoyed if I had made that mistake and lost out on the price I wanted for the land, I can also see the other side where someone who would perhaps like to lower their tier in a hurry without completely abandoning the land. They could benefit from such bots.

Like all things sold in RL - if it is sold at the advertised price, even though that price might have been put up in error, there is little recourse.

I know this does not help your situation and I feel for you, I really do, I just wanted to add that there are two sides to the situation where some people might benefit and really that it is in everyone's interests to double or triple-check the price in the box before setting land for sale to anyone.

YOUR S.O.L ! Your not the first to be had by the "landbaron" and LL will do NOTHING to help!!

....Just to clarify. Are you saying that you hadn't set it to sale yet before it was snatched up?

Because I've heard of that happening, and it worries me.

I didn't think too much of this issue, but a few days ago my friend lost her land as she tried to move it to herself from her group. She got L$1 for 2048m of land -- not as big a loss, but for her devastating.

Claiming this is user error is just wrong.

When enough users have this same error, then you know there is something wrong with the software.

Landbots and this mentality of economic rape is devastating. SL has turned from a fun community of social interaction and roleplaying into a unmitigated "me-first" hair trigger game of greed -- everyone wants to make some money, and there are no rules. laissez-fair my ass. This was a place for exploring a world of imagination, now it is a world of greed.

When this happens once, well it is possible to assume user error. But when it happens multiple times (and my friend is smart, she thought she set it for sale to herself) THEN LL HAS TO ADMIT MAYBE THEIR SOFTWARE IS AT FAULT! It is easy to blame the user, it is harder to admit a mistake even when the problem is repeated. SL is confusing even for the most technical of us.

These bots, their owners and their alts should be held in violation of the TOS. Their land should be confiscated and returned to previous owners so raped. Remaining land should be auctioned for charity. The TOS makes it clear that there are no bypasses allowed. Of course libsecondlife is responsible for these bots, now fueled by the ill-thought-out open source.

LL will wake up one day and discover Utopia has become even more greedy, and at a higher-speed, then the worst of real life. LL has to step up to the plate to foster the social environment that was the promise of SL -- or LL will lose their business when (not if) a competitor in the 3D social space steps in with a user-content driven environment (myspace3d? My GoogleEarth? MSN3D?).

LL assumes they have a loyal user base, and the common wisdom is a competitor would be far behind. I was curious, I asked a dozen or so friends, all SL long-timers, if they would try something new if it came along. All of them, citing bugs, land rip-offs, the economy of greed, said they would. A few even said they would try to be the first in that new world. LL will lose their entire base overnight to a competitor who even promises something better.

You should have set it to sell to the specific person. If not, at least put the price at a ridiculously high amount (L$1million or something). If the landbot still goes for it then at least you have L$1million for your troubles!

Better luck next time!

Sure, blame the victim. This has happened to much. Also these landbots are in violation of the TOS. The land should be returned by force. Anyone with landbots should be banned, and the land returned to those raped. Any remaining confiscated land should be auctioned with the proceeds going to help fight AIDS in Africa.

im sorry this happened to you but it is not an exploit
there are popups asking you that you are sure what you are doing and that is the time to double check, triple check and then check it again

please tell me how they are in violation of the tos?
i dont agree with what they are doing but that is part of the reason there are popups you have to click ok to more then once before it is set for sale

Why AIDS in Africa? Why not cancer in Asia, or heart disease in Europe? How about bunions in South America?

You talk of an Utopian dream land, but you want it enforced at the point of a gun.

Depends on how it was done, there's ways to do it that aren't exploits but there are also equally common ways to use exploits to get it done.

Thanks for your re-comfort, I am with you 100% these people should be in prison, not in SL. I am not going to reply to anyone supporting those low life scum bags.

I want to ad that I noticed on several occasion, when I set a parcel for sale, THERE WAS A BUG AND THE LAND WOULD SHIFT AND SELECT AN OTHER PARCEL. YES, SEVERAL TIMES,
I HAD TO BE CAREFUL ALL THE TIME.

I also want to ad, there is another SAD bug, on SEVERAL OCCASION, I COUDLN"T BAN OR SET IT TO SOMEONE! PLEASE READ THIS AGAIN. ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS I COULD NOT BAN ANYONE OR SET THE PARCEL FOR SALE TO ANYONE. THERE IS A BUG!!!!

THANKS YOU

FORGOT OT AD, WHEN ENTERING THE PRICE FOR SALE, ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS IT RESET. YES IT DID.

Perhaps they should change the way land is sold ever so slightly.

Suppose that when somebody clicks "Buy Land", instead of being transferred instantaneously, the owner is sent a notification that they can accept or decline.

So you get a screen that says "Somebody Hoofydink has offered to buy your land for L$XXXX". If Somebody Hoofydink is the person you were intending to sell it to, you click Accept. If it isn't, or if you realize that isn't the price you wanted to set it at, you click "Decline".

If you click Decline, whoever offered is sent a notice that the owner declined to sell it to you.

If people don't want to deal with this, they can toggle off the notification, but it should probably default to on.

Has anybody suggested something along these lines? If not, maybe a trip to the JIRA is in order . . .

Well I did an experiment with a small plot a few days ago. There were no particular warning or popups that I saw. I didn't do the last step to actualy set the sale, but up to that point, if I wanted to sell at 0L$ to anybody, SL was quite happy with that.

There appears to be a continuing pattern of landbots catching people unawares.
It is clear that the the design of the system must be faulty in the circumstances.
Yes, it is technically possible to do things in such a way that the landbots can't pounce, but we are dealing with mostly non-tech humans, so the interface *must* take account of that.


LL want us to give them understanding for errors in their software. We are to be understanding about new fixes breaking things that used to work, and subsequent fixes breaking them again.
It seems that LL are not prepared to extend that sort of understanding spirit to people who get ripped off due to imperfections in the SL interface design.


edit: 0L$ or any price markedly underneath average price

I like you and your post, very constructive. But I think that the person who is stitching everyone on SL should be arrested. period. I read they did two poor girls, a whole SIM, yes, do a search, it's real.

And also, those tools should no be in circulations, because they are in the wrong hands.
Remember Albert Einstein, he was a genius and I respect him very much, but look what happen once his work ended up in the wrong hands, do you think he wanted that? NO.

it is YOUR mistake because ALL the options -MUST- be set BEFORE you put the land for sale. When you click the SELL button, you are asked TWICE if everything is set the way you want it to be set.

YOU made a typo. The defalt amount is -not- 7000L - YOU had to type in 7000L. Since you intended to sell it for 70000L - it is OBVIOUS the mistake is clearly yours (one zero too few) - and therefore, you did not double-check everything before clicking the sell button, even though your were asked TWICE if you were -sure- it is what you wanted to do.

I'm sorry for sounding harsh. But the Lindenonians are absolutely right in these cases. They cannot be responsible for your mistakes.

The only thing I fault them for is the 'order' (layout of the land-sell window) that the fields appear. It should appear that the price you set is on top (first), then the who (anybody or specific person) then the sell button at the bottom.

Sorry for your loss. Live and learn, as life isn't fair. I know I sound like a heartless meanie, but I've been burned before too.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
LEARN from your mistake and help educate others.

Speak to the new owner and beg and plead to buy back for the same price. But don't hold your breath on it. Good luck. Really, I mean that.

"edit: Oh, and there is nothing you can do. Sorry"

False. Contact an attorney. IF you are willing to spend the money, wait for a trial, and endure the aggravation, you have a very good chance to win your case.

Well, gee, what if in a huge stream of 'friend added', 'you have sold X' and 'Avatar Y wants to tp you' blue dropdown notices you accidentally grant debit permissions to an object that drains every last $L you ever get, forever?

There is such a thing as social responsibility.

Live by the sword, die by the sword - it's just too easy for someone vindictive to slip ANYBODY a permissions request that they could accidentally click that causes them substantial harm.

Utopia is already 'at the point of a gun' here - once a mistake is made, it's pretty much too late unless you appeal to the Lindens.

And they do listen, and yes, I've seen land purchases like this kind reversed before.

Jesus Christ, you just joined in, or are you an ALT in disguise? YOU seem to know a lot you.
How on earth can you have any sympathy for the devil? Are you one of them?

Please don't come back, I am going to mute you and your insolence.