Should bots be allowed?

I think it's fair that we ask LL to consider adding a safety pop up so you dont accidentaly click sell, that is reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for us to demand that they do something and call them careless and all that because no one has to own land in the first place, you have to have some personal responsibilty, after all this isn't school it's a personal choice made by someone over 18 who can use a PC, that shows that you have a certain level of intelligence to begin with.

when you say 'lost money to a land bot' do you mean to ask who has accidentally clicked "sell" with a wrong price or clicked "sell to anyone" instead of "sell to a particular individual" right?

Would this make you happy?

http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html

It is the only way any world of people will ever be fair.

The only way?
Oh shit! Well in that case let's not even try any other ways

Ingrid has a very good point. While I've never been the victim of a landbot or swooper, I did make a stupid mistake once and returned a parcel that I didn't mean to. By the time I got to LL it was already up on the auction block as First Land and nothing they could do. I ended up having to buy it back from the newbie who bought it. It was my mistake and the last thing I would have considered doing was running to make a post on the forums about what an idiot I was....

I like you. +1

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How else do you make everything fair? Except to lower those who excel or innovate.

My vision of making SL better is to have as little disturbance from a ruling entity as possible, being more free is what i call an improvement, as for the peoples that get ripped off,

They will learn and won't be ripped anymore, at this time they will have learned something new.

I don't want that LL nanny me like a kid, if that's your wish you should go back to Real life as its what our governments are doing.

I am starting to think that LL support + love land bots because of the huge tier they might be paying every-month! Does that make sense?

Land bots users pay certainly much more tier than the average user, that might explain why they are still running loose and are protected.

Greed:

greed |gr?d| noun intense and selfish desire for something, esp. wealth, power, or food. ORIGIN late 16th cent.: back-formation from greedy.

Remember, my ignore list is expanding everyday, is that greed

You *try* to makes things fair, when you notice the unfairness.
One way of doing that is to help those who don't excel or who can't innovate. You raise people up. You look after them as far as possible.

To make things fair may require some excellence at innovation.


You appear to be arguing against a position that nobody has taken up. You're wasting your breath - or you are deliberately raising a "straw man", which is a really tired old debating ploy. It fools nobody who has a mind. It devalues your argument.
I don't think that anyone here believes that we'll achieve a world that is absolutely fair.
The doesn't meant that we can't try to change some things that seem to be unfair.

LL does not collect more tier as a result of landbots. If the land wasn't owned by the landbot operator, it would be owned by someone else.

In fact, LL makes more tier on a per-square-meter basis from the people who own the least. Numbers below. In a nutshell, the amount of land is constant, and the larger landholders generate less tier revenue for a given area of land.

Monthly tier in $ per 1000 square meter
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Premium membership (monthly) = $20
Premium membership (annual) = $12
1024 (premium+512) = $10
1536 = $9
... and so on down to ...
66048 = $3
additional 1/2 sims (3276 = $3


Does this mean I get to be on the ignore list too? Or do I just get points deducted?

i'm sorry to disagree, but i don't think bots are in the same venue as art. buying/selling real estate is not art. anyone can learn to make clothes, hair, eyes, shapes, skins, primmed objects, and now sculpties. even scripting can be considered 'learnable'.

but i don't think that's true for creating programs if you are not fluid in "C" programming. basically, bots are downloaded software that's compatible with SL.

i suppose it only becomes 'fair' when the software comes up for sale somewhere, for anyone with the willingness to spend their hard earned $ on. and you know... i betcha they could make a mighty fine living selling that software in world.

just my ha-penny's worth.

Oh, so you become their mommy and daddy? These people are adults. They should be able to stand on their own. But of course some would prefer to whine and cry rather than take responsibility for their own careless actions.

Yes, several people have said we need to make this a fair world. But I have to wonder how many of them know what the word Utopia really means.

Utopia (from Greek: οὐ no, and τόπος, place, i.e. "no place" or "place that does not exist"

Getting ahead by cheating other people isn't something that should ever be lauded, no matter how innovative the scam. You can't lower someone who's already a lowlife.

The land was placed for sale. It is not cheating to buy it. If the seller had made the mistake and the land had sat for 3 days, would it still be cheating? 2 days? 1 hour?

Tell us Chip, how far should we go to protect people from their own carelessness?

I have several times purchased land that I knew was mistakenly priced and held it for the seller until I could return it to them so they could sell it without getting screwed. That's how far I go. That was all before landbots. Now a good samaritan can't help someone out that way even if they wanted to.

Were it up to me I'd make the use of landbots a bannable offense. They serve no purpose beyond profiteering. They're of no benefit to the SL community as a whole and do quite a bit of real financial harm. Land flippers are simply parasites.

Chris, the poll won't tell you anything. The majority of the folks who have lost land to the landbot have never visited this forum and are not up on the landbot issue.

Oh so people who use landbots are in the same boat as child sex fiends?

Well I would like a poll of the forum users, since we are supposedly more educated about things in SL.

No, they're worse. People pretending to do something where all participants are consenting adults aren't harming anyone. Landbot users ARE harming people.

Are you sure you aren't confusing educated with OPINIONATED?

As I've said before, I have gone through the land selling process very recently to see how it works. The sale does NOT "default" to Anybody--you much specifically choose. It also DOES warn you that All Sales Are Final. The only thing it doesn't do is inform you that oh, by the way, people can use programs that will snatch it up before you can blink, so be absolutely sure of what you're doing before you click OK.

It appears to me that it's not necessarily the landbot that's at the issue, but how it is used.

No, hear me out--I have heard of certain landbot owners who, when told that the land they snatched up was not intended to be sold at that price, have fairly returned it.

While there are Those Who Shall Not Be Named who apparently subscribe to the "too bad so sad" school of customer service and laugh in the face of those they've screwed over.

Perhaps a simple policy amendment would address this problem? If it's not against the rules, then maybe the rules need to be changed a bit.

I did say supposedly.

Like I asked you before Chip would it still be wrong if the land had been for sale for 3 days? 2 days? 1 hour?