Should bots be allowed?

Easy.

SL is open source, therefore the correct answer to the question is somewhere in the server. By looking at the source code, anyone can locate the data, query it and pass the data to wherever it needs to go.

It would do nothing to prevent anything, other than introducing more bots to an already beleaguered system.

This question is irrelevant!



Linden Labs has made it VERY CLEAR with Their SILENCE that THEY DON'T CARE!!!!

You are irrelevant as well.

At least we're trying something.

I'd rather try and fail than not try at all.

ppen that way here either.

1. Person puts land up for sale
a. to anyone
b. to individual - who can take it immediately, since this is obviously intentional.

2. IF to anyone the "sale" triggers a permission dialog to the seller re-confirming the price, saying something like:

"eViL Landbot has agreed to purchase your 512sm parcel at 21,24,0 Simville for the sum of L$1 which is L$0 / SM - Do you wish to proceed?"

possibly with an option to auto-accept escrows while offline or busy in prefs.

There might also be some sort of email gateway and a default 24 hour accept, if not online during that time.

If I ask to have diesel in my Toyota Corolla and ruin the engine can I blame the guy that pumped my gas because he didn't say "that's the wrong kind of gas for this car"? (in Oregon they pump gas for you) Am I innocent because I don't understand cars yet ran out and bought one anyway? If that were to happen and I sued the gas station the court is likely to rule against me because my property is my responsibility even if the guy at the gas station encouraged me to get diesel.

To me it looks like the same thing.

i do miss the sllandlist bot. that was a bot with a noble calling. how it got banned and yet merlin remains free is beyond comprehension. it makes me sick, and i suspect the reason it happens is because a linden runs merlin.

The opinion of a 16m plot ad farmer/price extorter/troll is not worth doggie doodoo.

Only the greedy suppport the greedy.

What have you done for SL lately, other than ruin the landscape, overprice ad plots and make endless stupid posts?

No wonder it's all going to hell in handbasket.

What are they trying Reitsuki Kojima ???

It isn't just user error that results in mispriced land - lag and software bugs cause this too. A classic example was when someone was dividing a small parcel of land from a larger plot intending to sell of the small parcel. Lag resulted in the client and the sim being out of sim, with the client thinking the parcel had been divided but this not being reflected in the sim. Even though the seller got a confirmation dialog that he was only setting the small plot for sale from the client, when he clicked OK, the entire larger plot was put up for sale (and snapped up by a landbot) - the details in the confirmation dialog being not worth the pixels it was displayed in!

Landbots have ruined things for more people than those who have asked for something to be done about Landbots.

Apart from those who have suffered large losses of money to landbots either through error or bugs (as above), some of whom have left SL never to return as a result:

Landbots have forced the market prices for land to artificial highs, causing everyone to pay more for land than they would have done had landbots not been around!

LL's answer to the artificially high inflation of land, which has been to oversaturate the market, has resulted in many people having negative equity in the land they currently own, and will have impacted the profit margins (or even put out of business) the mainland real estate businesses who do not use landbots!

Landbots were the cause of the withdrawal of the firstland program (automated alts grabbing land before the real newbies it was intended for even knew it was available) - that has spoilt things for newcomers to SL!

Matthew

Absolutely right!

However, whether by bot or in person, taking advantage of someone's honest mistake is still a rip-off.
Even if it is not counter to the letter of the TOS, it is still a rip-off.

The problem is not the bots, as such. The problem is the mindset that controls some bots.

What are they trying Reitsuki Kojima ??? At most they are trying to do and say NOTHING about anything relevant! And they are doing a WONDERFUL Job at it!!!

You don't try to force your views?

I got news for you, that's all you do.

You add nothing to SL, just take.

Overpriced land, extorted prices and arrogant beligerence are your forte.

I don't see anyone agree with you, ever.

My main point in starting this thread was to find out if bots ever served any genuinely useful purpose. I see from some of the replies that they do, and I concede that point.

I didn't really mean for this to be The Great Landbot Debate Part II, but since it seems to have become it--what about the possibility of a "seller's remorse" clause? Give the seller 24 hours from the purchase to rescind the offer with a full refund of the purchase price. If, after 24 hours, the seller has done nothing, the land belongs to the buyer free and clear.

I know that might seem anathema to the instant access culture of Second Life, but considering how many hoops you have to jump through to buy land in RL, this seems like it might cut down on landbot pouncing.

Thoughts?

20/20

You'd have to wait 24 hours before you could resell it, obviously. And if you spent the money and couldn't refund in full, then either you deal with it or you buy some Lindens.

Yes, it would change the way we do things slightly, but, then, so did getting rid of First Land (which was dropped, in part, because of landbots snatching the parcels up before actual humans could get to them.)

Now, this is serious abuse, taking advantage of newbie, and once again, we had no clue of the real value of the Lindens money and/or how much 30K was. Lindens can go back in December 2006 and verify this authenticity of this transaction.

In a perfect SL, there would be two zones:

1 - All the jerks and saboteurs together, on the same continent.

2 - All the normal people together, on the same continent. Simple

i do miss the sllandlist bot. that was a bot with a noble calling. how it got banned and yet merlin remains free is beyond comprehension. it makes me sick, and i suspect the reason it happens is because a linden runs merlin.

I honestly think that any reasonable person would consider that if you regret the 30k for 512m, then that was entirely your own fault.

Maybe you obtained 30k without having to buy them on Lindex or elsewhere. So easy come, easy go.

This reminds me of an Ali G interview of someone on some terrorism task force where he said "Couldn't we just have all the terrorists take the same flights together? Why not just tell the terrorists about buildings we were going to demolish anyway and say 'have at it'?"

Just thought I'd throw that out there