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Imnotgoing Sideways
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01-26-2010 14:57
From: Ann Otoole
Maybe people would not be as hard on you if they knew they were suspicious because you look like this guy's sister:

Who said I wasn't? =^-^=
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Ann Otoole
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01-26-2010 15:11
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Who said I wasn't? =^-^=

Or maybe that *is* you. After all this is SL. :P
Imnotgoing Sideways
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01-26-2010 15:56
From: Ann Otoole
Or maybe that *is* you. After all this is SL. :P
What, me worry? (^_^)y
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Zena Juran
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01-26-2010 16:36
From: Argent Stonecutter
Snowglobe beats it hands-down, and has most of the critical Emerald functions in 1.3.



Snowglobe 1.3 is tremendously fast in loading textures but it freezes up on me within 2 minutes of every log in.

Emerald provides the best performance for my pc right now over all the others. I never used any of the "enhanced" features until today when I found the built-in AO. It took a few minutes to figure out but has been working great for me.

:-)
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Ann Otoole
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01-26-2010 19:35
Snowglobe broke my video stream. It is not usable. LL refuses to acknowledge the defect.
Dana Hickman
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01-26-2010 21:57
From: Lance Corrimal
got any links to any tutorials about that?
pretty please?

Sorry, I don't know of any tutorials.. it's not really one of the popular talked about features that I've seen. I can tell you the emerald part, and you can find a ton of tutorials about the Blender texturing part on Google, or on the www.blender.org/ site in the tutorials & help section.

Example for the upper body part:
Advanced -> Character -> Meshes and Morphs

In that popup menu:
upperbodymesh -> upperbodymesh -> Current Mesh -> Save OBJ
That's it.. it just saved your upper body part as an .obj file into the Emerald/Character folder. It will be called avatar_upper_body.llm_current.obj.

Repeat that process for each body part (upperbody, lowerbody, head, eyelashes, lefteye, righteye) and get a similarily named .obj file for it. They're what you import into blender.

Once in Blender, the basic gist is import OBJ - select mesh - switch to edit mode - load skin texture for that part in the UV/Texture window - switch back to object mode - save as OBJ file.
The neat part is that when you import the next body piece to add to the one you have, it will show up perfectly aligned to the other pieces (except for the eyeballs, you gotta align those yourself), so once they're all imported and skinned all you have to do is select them all and Object -> Join Objects, then rotate the group to vertical and save your finished mannequin.
Plenty of info on the Blender stuff in the Texturing section of these forums as well.
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BeeBee Brouwer
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01-27-2010 19:13
From: Phil Deakins
:) They are anonymous, so it can't be libelous.


If I'm not mistken it's perfectly legal for you to use any name you like, as long as there is no intent to commit fraud

The actual or relative anonymity (unpublished physical identity) of a party aggrieved by libel does not diminish the damage to reputation, an avatar has a UUID Unique user identification key, a name which cannot be changed without the expense and inconvenience of 'starting over' with a new avatar and accepting the irrevocable loss of any and all 'no trans' inventory, as well as the 'value' of the business' public image, customer/client list and what can amount to thousands of 'real' dollars. (Quotes around 'real' money refers to the fiat currencies of a runaway consumer society, your 'dollar' has value because the government SAYS it has value.)

To illustrate my point, let's assume that an SL avatar owns an SL business, let's say this avatar sell products like prim hair, jewelry, or what have you.

In this example, the business is growing and after investing years mastering skills, trial and error, they stand on the threshold of SL fame and fortune, and for whatever reason, their name comes up in conversation and whether by 'accident' or 'design' the avatars name is associated with something creepy..... damage potential?

oh yeah. written is libel spoken i slander, the semantics of which may get muddy when one considers that an avatar 'speaks' in text, vut that does not invalidate damages,
Viktoria Dovgal
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01-28-2010 00:48
From: Ann Otoole
Snowglobe broke my video stream. It is not usable. LL refuses to acknowledge the defect.

They have in fact acknowledged it but it's a thorny problem. The old media system tended to ignore Internet standards and played a lot of stuff that really shouldn't have worked. The new system will be hacked up to play broken streams some time soon, but it's not at the top of the list.
Tegg Bode
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01-28-2010 01:08
From: Ann Otoole
I stopped using it. Uninstalled it. Changed my password.

I changed mine when I changed to Emerald and stopped using the LL freebie viewers for similar reasons :P
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Argent Stonecutter
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01-28-2010 03:25
From: BeeBee Brouwer
If I'm not mistken it's perfectly legal for you to use any name you like, as long as there is no intent to commit fraud

The actual or relative anonymity (unpublished physical identity) of a party aggrieved by libel does not diminish the damage to reputation[...]
This.
1 User Agreed.
Mod +1 Insightful.
Etc...

:D
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Phil Deakins
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01-28-2010 04:18
From: BeeBee Brouwer
If I'm not mistken it's perfectly legal for you to use any name you like, as long as there is no intent to commit fraud

The actual or relative anonymity (unpublished physical identity) of a party aggrieved by libel does not diminish the damage to reputation, an avatar has a UUID Unique user identification key, a name which cannot be changed without the expense and inconvenience of 'starting over' with a new avatar and accepting the irrevocable loss of any and all 'no trans' inventory, as well as the 'value' of the business' public image, customer/client list and what can amount to thousands of 'real' dollars. (Quotes around 'real' money refers to the fiat currencies of a runaway consumer society, your 'dollar' has value because the government SAYS it has value.)

To illustrate my point, let's assume that an SL avatar owns an SL business, let's say this avatar sell products like prim hair, jewelry, or what have you.

In this example, the business is growing and after investing years mastering skills, trial and error, they stand on the threshold of SL fame and fortune, and for whatever reason, their name comes up in conversation and whether by 'accident' or 'design' the avatars name is associated with something creepy..... damage potential?

oh yeah. written is libel spoken i slander, the semantics of which may get muddy when one considers that an avatar 'speaks' in text, vut that does not invalidate damages,
Irrelevant. They are thieves. They are also unidentifiable, so they can't be libelled.
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BeeBee Brouwer
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01-28-2010 04:55
From: Phil Deakins
Irrelevant. They are thieves. They are also unidentifiable, so they can't be libelled.


Unidentifiable?

Don't Bogart that joint my friend, the discussion is about three humans; YOUR inability to identify them is 'irrelevant' to the acknowledged 'discussions' between these individuals and LL. (REAL people talking REAL business?)

Not only does LL know who they are they're talking to, but when and if a lawsuit arises from your libelous comments you may be assured that your own 'anonymity' will be shown for the tissue of illusion that it is.

You call these people 'thieves' based solely upon hearsay and conjecture.

Got a single shred of proof?

THINK about this carefully, your own business is every bit as vulnerable to loss from libel/slander and 'nobody' knows who YOU are.
Phil Deakins
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01-28-2010 04:58
From: BeeBee Brouwer
Unidentifiable?

Don't Bogart that joint my friend, the discussion is about three humans; YOUR inability to identify them is 'irrelevant' to the acknowledged 'discussions' between these individuals and LL. (REAL people talking REAL business?)

Not only does LL know who they are they're talking to, but when and if a lawsuit arises from your libelous comments you may be assured that your own 'anonymity' will be shown for the tissue of illusion that it is.

You call these people 'thieves' based solely upon hearsay and conjecture.

Got a single shred of proof?
Totally irrelevant. They are thieves. They cannot be identified and, therefore, cannot be libelled. End of story.

Btw, who are we talking about? Where are their names? ;)
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Phil Deakins
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01-28-2010 05:00
From: BeeBee Brouwer
THINK about this carefully, your own business is every bit as vulnerable to loss from libel/slander and 'nobody' knows who YOU are.
What's to think about? You can't libel a business.
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BeeBee Brouwer
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01-28-2010 05:18
From: Phil Deakins
Totally irrelevant. They are thieves. They cannot be identified and, therefore, cannot be libelled. End of story.

Btw, who are we talking about? Where are their names? ;)



So, by that logic, I cannot identify YOU, therefore it's NOT libelous or slanderous for me to say whatever I like about you or your business?

I imagine that if I were to state on this or another widely viewed public forum that 'Prim Savers' is just reselling freebies' or 'Phil's an age playing pedo' you might begin to understand that your reputation as an sl resident is deserving of the protection of the Libel laws.

'Joe Shmuckatelli" dba Phil Deakins dba 'Prim savers' is no different than a businessperson in the physical world, and it is NOT irrelevant that I cannot pick you from a line up.

Any ONE of the names, pseudonyms, titles etc that you use to identify yourself is sufficient; I don't need your social security number, mother's maiden name, high school transcript, 50 cents OR a note from mom in order to wreak havoc with your life. All it takes is a libelous/slanderous comment or two.

"President and CEO of 'Prim Savers' found in bed with both a live boy AND a dead hooker..."

Are you beginning to grasp just how silly you sound yet?
Phil Deakins
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01-28-2010 05:25
From: BeeBee Brouwer
So, by that logic, I cannot identify YOU, therefore it's NOT libelous or slanderous for me to say whatever I like about you or your business?

I imagine that if I were to state on this or another widely viewed public forum that 'Prim Savers' is just reselling freebies' or 'Phil's an age playing pedo' you might begin to understand that your reputation as an sl resident is deserving of the protection of the Libel laws.

'Joe Shmuckatelli" dba Phil Deakins dba 'Prim savers' is no different than a businessperson in the physical world, and it is NOT irrelevant that I cannot pick you from a line up.

Any ONE of the names, pseudonyms, titles etc that you use to identify yourself is sufficient; I don't need your social security number, mother's maiden name, high school transcript, 50 cents OR a note from mom in order to wreak havoc with your life. All it takes is a libelous/slanderous comment or two.

"President and CEO of 'Prim Savers' found in bed with both a live boy AND a dead hooker..."

Are you beginning to grasp just how silly you sound yet?
No, but I'm beginning to grasp how silly *you* sound :D

All of that is irerelevant. They are thieves. Which part of that don't you uinderstand.

You can say what like about me and my store stuff. Enough people do ;) But it's not libel. You can't libel a chair, real or virtual, and you can't libel me because I'm unidentifiable to the people you would lie to.
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Argent Stonecutter
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01-28-2010 05:46
So it wouldn't bother you to call my store PrimSavers?
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Dick McMinnar
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01-28-2010 05:55
From: Phil Deakins
I'm unidentifiable to the people you would lie to.

Taht's what Catteneo thought. Didn't work for him either.
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Dekisuitori Yoshiyuki
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01-28-2010 06:06
I'm fond of the Emerald Viewer and I use it instead of the normal SL Viewer. Frankly, I haven't tried any of the other alternative viewers, but I can say I'm fond of Emerald.

Some features I enjoy are some of the customizable options right on the main UI, so I don't have to navigate through menus. Being able to zoom in and out fully is a plus. I enjoy the radar, teleport history, and the encryption. (Even though I really have no reason to use it, it's quite a great feature if I ever needed to.) Double-click teleporting is interesting when I need it as well.

As for the paranoia about the viewer, all I really have to say is that your paranoia is overrated. Emerald is in production with several Lindens and is monitored a lot more closely than people think. Any history regarding other viewers, variations, or any other projects by the same people who compile Emerald, should not be affiliated with the Emerald Viewer itself.

Frankly, anyone who's THAT paranoid to the point that they're putting on tinfoil hats, should simply calm their minds and invest a small amount of time looking through and compiling their own version from the source-code. It amazes me how an open source project causes quite a range of paranoia. Sure, some of you may not be geeks or coders and can't determine what could be harmful and what isn't... But, you'd think by now there would be a bit more than speculation and rumor regarding the viewer and more awareness of how you shouldn't be using it, if there was really a problem with security. Which, there's not.

Many people use it, and it's fine. They're not stealing your information.
Phil Deakins
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01-28-2010 06:07
From: Argent Stonecutter
So it wouldn't bother you to call my store PrimSavers?
Of course it would. You know that. This bit is about libel, which is different.
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Phil Deakins
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01-28-2010 06:07
From: Dick McMinnar
Taht's what Catteneo thought. Didn't work for him either.
I've no idea who that is, but it works in law ;)
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BeeBee Brouwer
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01-28-2010 06:19
Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, slander (for spoken words), and libel (for written or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. It is usually, but not always,[1] a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).

In common law jurisdictions, slander refers to a malicious, false and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts, which arises where one person reveals information that is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person. "Unlike [with] libel, truth is not a defense for invasion of privacy."[2]

False light laws are "intended primarily to protect the plaintiff's mental or emotional well-being."[3] If a publication of information is false, then a tort of defamation might have occurred. If that communication is not technically false but is still misleading, then a tort of false light might have occurred.[3]

In most civil law jurisdictions, defamation is dealt with as a crime rather than a tort.[4]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

BTW Phil, nothing personal. :-)
Argent Stonecutter
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01-28-2010 06:23
From: Phil Deakins
Of course it would. You know that. This bit is about libel, which is different.

That bit might be about libel. This bit is about identity.
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Dick McMinnar
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01-28-2010 07:32
From: Phil Deakins
I've no idea who that is, but it works in law ;)

Google "Stroker Serpentine" n' "Catteneo" n' learn differently.

Ya ain' anywhere as nearly anonymous on teh interwebs as ya think ya is. When SL gets a court order ta give up ya info, they'll fall all over themselves ta comply. Same wif ya ISP.
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“I’m not some kind of noob,” Catteneo said. “My name isn’t on file. I don’t even have a permanent address either.”
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"In the United States the courts ruled no child is involved in avatar depictions on the internet. Wat are you talking about?"
Innula Zenovka
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01-28-2010 09:58
From: Phil Deakins
No, but I'm beginning to grasp how silly *you* sound :D

All of that is irerelevant. They are thieves. Which part of that don't you uinderstand.

You can say what like about me and my store stuff. Enough people do ;) But it's not libel. You can't libel a chair, real or virtual, and you can't libel me because I'm unidentifiable to the people you would lie to.

1) Do you mean "thieves" in the actual sense of the word -- that is, they have dishonestly appropriated property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it -- or in some the rather looser sense of the term you earlier said you meant it (something about making viewers with the explicit intention -- though how you could know someone's intent is a moot point -- of helping them to commit offenses under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988)?

I ask, since the discussion has taken a legal turn. Because if we are trying to be accurate, I have to say nothing you have said so far gives any indication that, no matter how badly you might think they've behaved, any of the Emerald devs in question may have, let alone actually has, committed anything an English court would recognise as a criminal offence, be it theft or anything else.

2) As to libel, I think we're entering a grey area here because existing legislation and case law on defamation hasn't dealt with virtual worlds yet.

You have told us that you -- Phil Deakins' typist in Yorkshire -- make a decent living out of SL. That being so, if someone were to spread untruths either about the RL conduct of Phil Deakins' typist (without identifying him) or about his conduct in SL in the persona of Phil Deakins the manufacturer of virtual furniture to the extent that the Yorkshire typist suffered actual financial loss, be it because people didn't want to buy Phil's low prim furniture any more or because LL (who obviously know who the Phil Deakins account holder is) stopped providing him access to SL (and thus his livelihood), I think the anonymous chap in Yorkshire might well be able to argue that he's suffered real harm, in the form of the loss of income, because of untruths spread about his identifiable SL persona.

I don't know (way out of my area, for one thing), but I think it's at least an arguable case.
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