Reselling Clothes that have Xfer permissions

Huh? What is all the hubbub about? The items were transfer, that means to me you have every right to sell them at whatever price you like. Can't break up a set, are you kidding me?

Now, I think it would be the honorable thing to do, as a reseller, not to price the items for more than you paid (I don't mean the yardsale stuff) I understand it is a hassle to go back and find out but I would. I guess I expect a yardsale type of price to be at *least* the same and really expect it to be less, I mean why bother then? I can get it for the same price from the original designer? What's the deal here, lol? Unless you are talking about a rare limited edition, which there are more of these days, but they are still unusual.

Still, it's up to you I don't believe the designers really have any say in how you sell it once they check that transfer box.

Selling freebies, that is another issue altogether, I think freebie sellers are scum, honestly.

I guess once you start reselling yardsale items you start to get into trouble simply because you have to mark them up. Once you do, you may be pricing them higher than the original sold for. As I said, that is a personal choice but I think it's.... slimey to sell things for more than they are really worth to people who don't know better. (see: my opinion of freebie sellers, ahem).

Edit to add: oh, I see, selling a set individually that really gets you more money than you paid for in the first place. Well, your karma, heh.

hey love, i see u on pop up in my FL occasionly so though i should help.

If anyone puts resell/give away persm on their items they are giving people the right to do just that, as they please. resell it or give it away. NO rules agaisnt it

A lot of people refer to the permission right as "transfer" but it is actually labeled "Resell/Give Away" in the object edit box.

In my mind the creator who releases objects with this permission set is giving very explicit permission to "Resell" the object in question. If the creator doesn't want it resold they should not mark it "Resell/Give Away".

There are very strong opinions contrary to this in SL and any reseller is bound to hear from some of those who hold those opinions. But those are just opinions and are not enforced by Linden Labs. It defies logic that someone would mark an object as "Resell/Give Away" and then object to anyone doing just that.

"It defies logic that someone would mark an object as "Resell/Give Away" and then object to anyone doing just that."

Well that is exactly what happened to me, and not in a nice way

I felt like I was in the school yard and being picked on by the popular kids. not such a good feeling


Yes it is my karma and I do not feel I am doing anything wrong by reselling items I purchased. I no longer have a use for such items

and to my knowledge the only ones that may have been priced higher were split up set items.

After all it is business and I, just like anyone else in SL, would like to make a few extra lindens.

My shop was not a yardsale, it was a resell shop, there is a difference in my point of view.
If you feel they are the same thing, then that is your point of view.

As for the freebie, as I have stated numerous times, I did not know it was a freebie and once it was pointed out to me I removed it, then the attacks started so instead of stand there being bashed by the 3 of them I removed all but the ones that were created by the person not there.

The next day I get a msg from that designer asking me to not use their name in my ads, but if I check the classifieds I see others using that specific name. (as well as the name of the others who attacked me)

I say attacked because I do not know how else to describe it, I was made to feel like I was breaking the law or something for selling items I bought.

That is why I came here to see what other residents thought about it all.

Hi axel hon, nice to see you, say hi in SL sometime, I won't bite LOL

Thank you all for your input

Rhaorth, I think some designers are a bit punchy right now so they may overreact sometimes. If you haven't done anything wrong, certainly not deliberately, then don't let anyone abuse you.

OPEN the store

If i buy an item that allows me to resell it if i no longer need it then i will as i purchased the item after checking what i can do with it, when i no longer want it.

As has been said elsewhere my local store doesnt dictate to me what i can and cannot do with my item after buying it, hell i might even try and get a better price than i paid for it at an auction etc.

Dont let others try to stifle your dream if they dont want there goods resold then they should set the permissions accordingly as ArchTx said

"There are very strong opinions contrary to this in SL and any reseller is bound to hear from some of those who hold those opinions. But those are just opinions and are not enforced by Linden Labs. It defies logic that someone would mark an object as "Resell/Give Away" and then object to anyone doing just that."

Go for it

thank you all

I wish I did not have this forboding feeling in the pit of my stomach, that if I do reopen then they will again tell me I can not do this or that

like for instance is it ok for me to name the items using their design name in the name of the item for sale

for instance say the item is made by RhaRha Deisgns (using my own name so no one comes down on me for using their design name here on the forums)
anywho, say that it is made by RhaRha Designs... could I make the items name RhaRha Designs: Green with Envy

(Designer name: Clothing name)

Or is that over stepping the bounds. I do it that way so ppl shopping can see at a glance who the item is made by instead of having to edit, check the item to see who the creator is, then if not familar with the designer's name track down which company that is...

Again thanks for the feedback, I really want to reopen it so I can at least try to sell off the stuff I have in inventory then shut it down for good. not worth the hassel to try to keep it going, but I want to unload this stuff

What can I do, if I reopen, use their name in the product name, and they come again and complain... do they have a legal right there to complain, being the item name is mainly just describing the what the item is...

BAHHH so frustrating, I have been playing since April, seen tons of resale/yardsale shops, and I am sure none of them got the flack I did, why was I singled out?

And i do a search on those specific designers who had a problem with me using their name, and I still see other yardsale and resell shops using their names, why are they still allowed?

(no not malls, yardsale and resell shops)

Frankly, I have hundreds of clothing items, where I only kept the clothes themselves and the ads and no other junk inside (takes longer to load all my inventory).

Since we can't go back in transaction history and see how much we paid for it, we don't even know (if we were able to price the item) if the creator didn't mark it up or down since then.

I think it's silly for a designer to make trans items and then freak out when you sell them. It happens of course, but logically, to sell items (I don't change the names of the original designers) it's great for me IMO.

You resell something that says NCD on it and it's possible that someone just might see that at the sale, buy it and want to see more of my stuff!

I never change the name of the item, I leave it as the designer named it, which is why I always put RRD in my item names so that way ppl can sorta recognise it (not that I am big time in any form of the word)

anywho... I decided I am reopening the store and if the designers do not like it then tough. They set the permissions the way they are and they have no say in how I sell the items, be it one piece at a time, splitting sets or keeping things together, nor can they tell me at what price.

I am sorry I had a freebie in there, that was a mistake and I will not put it back, I do not like the idea of selling a freebie.
I always put no xfer on my free stuff that I hand out.

thank you all for your input, I appreciate it very much!

I keep saying, I need to sit down for a week, and sort my inventory, and anything with resell permissions, I should retag at unreasonably low prices, and hold a "Sandbox sale"

Rhaorth there isn't any such thing in SL as the content creator retaining any rights to the product if she marks them as transfer. Do what you want with them. If a creator gives you flack ignore her. She is the one who designed them as transfer and not you.

I will not buy ANY item nowadays unless it is marked as copy/mod as I have no interest in resale. All I want is an item to be copy/mod so I can adjust it to my size but many content creators seem to ignore this for reasons unknown to me.

On the opposite end, I won't buy anything that isn't transfer, unless it's cheap, or where it makes sense.

I have no interest in resale either, but I have no use whatsoever for copy. I don't need 1 million copies of the same top or skirt and I'd much rather give something I have no more use for away, or simply lend it out then to have to bin it.

Can't please everyone .

Well, I'd say too that resell can't be forbidden if the item has the permission. Alas, there's no separate permission for trade and resell (would make sense for textures and freebies).

If someone would resell resells my wares in bulk, it would be different though. I'd want to know at which price they are sold and how they are advertised. I thought about a new business model (new for my shop, others might do it already): I only run my main shop, and any reseller can feel free to catch the walk-by customers in malls and clubs. I'd give a 15% rebate for resellers buying in bulk, and allow a 10% price increase. They could still choose to take the same price as I do, and just make a 15% cut. Or even underprice me by 5%. I'd sell the ware in any case and will likely make more profit, by covering more shopping areas without renting mall space myself.

Nope.

Even if they have a agreemtn with the sale. Nope

If you buy it and its transfer enabled you can sell it regardless if you bought it as a package.

If they dont like it .. tough.

get hassle from them ? ban them.

if your selling stuff at more than its available from the orignal retailer so what ? - prices for a JVC TV differ from store to store.

This is just money crazy people worried that you are using your legal right to re-sell.

ban and mute are wonderful tools.

Well, it's also the worry about two other points:

1.) I do the end customer service, no matter where the item was bought. A customer typically checks the creator name when a question or problem occurs. One doesn't want to deal with customers who feel ripped off because they perhaps overpaid or didn't receive the full set.

2.) If someone resells in bulk, the original seller has no control how the ware is advertised. If an ad or vendor display promises more than the ware can deliver, one likely has to deal with very upset customers - without even knowing that they bought somewhere else.

Hence my idea for a form of business partnership, if someone is really interested in reselling large amounts. It's a win / win situation for both.

For the reseller:
- He gets a bulk rebate and can make a nice cut without overprizing
- He is provided with images for advertising and vendor displays
- He can point at the original seller when it comes to customer service issues
- Is possibly provided with vendor scripts that inform the customer and IM him when the ware is sold out (at least I'd do that)

For the original seller/crafter:
- Covering more shop space in multiple malls, catching more walk-by trade, without having to pay rent or to update those shops
- A little control over the pricing and advertising

A lot of people are looking for a way to make a little money in SL. Why not offer a "job" as an autonomous reseller? If anyone is interested in becoming an authorized reseller of Dark Delights products, please contact me. I'd only ask for sufficient skills for customer service (i.e., the ability to handle customer requests in a friendly and professional manner).

well that was just crappy timing, reopened my resale shop

then decided to up my tier buy some lindens and buy some extra land and make a mini mall by my pub... and lo and heho

well that was just crappy timing, reopened my resale shop

then decided to up my tier buy some lindens and buy some extra land and make a mall by my pub... and lo and behold, the grid goes down while I am building

now I am a very novice builder and making my mall rental space thingies was not easy and I was pleased with the outcome

had just put in a few of the rental boxes when the dang grid went down

Can you all join me in one big GRRRRRRRR
(I hope everything is still there when I am able to get back in) if not that would suck!

and ty all for your comments in this thread, It is because of the support I have gotten from you here and those who im'd me that I decided I can stand up to the bullies and reopen my shop

After all I bought the items fair and square and they are marked resell.....so....

Hmm. A tricky one! But I think the only easy response is for the originator to sell all items individually as well. Then you limit the price a re-seller can likely get for one item, and you give more options to people with less funds. It also solves the "I've lost part of the outfit" problem, as a) there's no evidence that you bought the whole outfit, and b) you can just buy the missing piece.

If you _really_ want to make your clothes exclusive, and retain control on distribution, you do have the option to make them no-transfer.

Fix these problems commercially, guys. Don't beat up innocent parties.

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On another tack, does this discussion suggest that we should ask the Lindens to offer separate "Give away" and "Resell" premissions? Going further, one could allow a "maximum price", and/or "minimum price" to be set for such reselling...

I suppose I could offer the sarong top and sarong skirt as seperates... But with 3 different parts, and 16 variations of each part for color and batik print options, that makes for 48 individual, extremely similar items that would be for sale! I'd need to add a dedicated JEVN vendor just for the seperates, or they would dominate the rest of my offerings!

As it is, most of my full outfits, including that sarong collection, are normally sold as copy-OK/no-transfer, to make it easier for the buyer to make outfit folders. But I will sell them as no-copy/transfer-OK to any customer who requests getting them that way. All they have to do is ask.

I'll also chime in with the other merchant's earlier suggestion, that if someone wanted to open a resale boutique, and wanted to feature my clothes in their store, I would not object to a partnership deal, where I would place a vendor for my products in their location, and in return for them providing vendor space, they get a cut of all sales profits. That is easy to set up with a JEVN vendor or similar networked system, allows me to retain full control of the product line, but still allows them to profit from offering wares from a variety of merchants in their store. That's how I sell my textures at Textures-R-Us. The owner of TRU pays for the store and advertising, and in return for providing space for other texture merchants, she takes a split of the sales proceeds.

Uhmm.... you "stand up to bullies" by reselling their items with a markup?

That's... interesting way to look at it, i guess. o.O

And you were contributing to the Resident Answers Forums how?

The markup was not the issue. And even if one of two items were marked up, it wasn't as if A, he was trying to make a big profit, or B, he had time to research the original price. I know when I had a yard sale, I didn't try to figure out what the original price was. He even said if no one bought it at the higher price, he would probably lower it. I think most people are smart enough to make that determination when buying something from a fully stated Second Hand Shop.

And from what he was saying, coming to his shop and using vigilante tactics, they were bullies. At least he wasn't making illegal copies and trying to sell them.

I have answered the original question on earlier page of this thread. Your contribution to it so far was trying to climb the high horse.

Better luck next time.

standing up to the bullies in the sense of they are not going to dictate to me what I do with items that I PURCHASED, therefore I OWN. (which is exactly what they tried to do, tell me what I could do with items I bought, thereby own, and items which they marked as resellable, isn't it up to me what price I put)

Sheesh, I would hate to see what you think of ebay where just about everything sells for more than what was orginally paid for it, oh wait this is SL not ebay... my bad, we are not supposed to try to make money here off of someone else's creations.. guess all the malls should close eh? since ppl who own them make money off of others creations (in a round about way)

GAH...


This has nothing to do with the price I set them at. If I choose to mark them up that has nothing to do with them.

hell if someone can get more for an article I made then I say kudos to them. I got what I wanted for it the first time it sold.

Personally I feel that you just attacked me with your snide remark, it was not necessary and contributed nothing but a jab at me.
you stated you already contributed to this thread so why the need to take that jab at me?

OK I will shut up about that now..

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Oh april hon, I am female hehe
and you are right, I will drop prices if things do not sell, I have no set time to decide that factor and I am in no rush to even worry about it. The items can sit in my inventory stale or on a wall up for sale. I think that choice should be and is mine on resellable items.

(I know my name conjures up images of manlyness but I am all woman)

makes me wonder if I had been male would the attacks had happened like they did...

We will never know heh

Obviously you didn't read my response past the first sentence, I will repeat it here for you. And for the record, your response was more high horse than mine.

And I did actually add to the thread rather than demonstrate I could make smart comments.

Oh Rhaorth, I'm so sorry, thank you for correcting me about your gender. I wasn't paying attention. Good Luck!

teehee tis ok april

hey in SL even a female avi can atually be a male in RL so you could have been correct but.. still I am female hehe