Wagering Ban, what does it mean for sex?

I think where some of us believe that sex will take a hit comes from LL saying things like they want broadly offensive content out of the world and when they are quoted as saying they are looking to make the platform more broadly acceptable globally, which they said in relation to the gambling ban as well as saying it was a business decision.

So as well as legal concerns, they also consider business concerns (which is obviously fair enough) and there's a suspicion that high profile sex, isn't globally acceptable to business. However I have never once seen a suggestion that there will be a blanket ban on sex, just hints that some forms may be pushed away to more discrete areas.

Which makes sense. I don't need to see it in my face everywhere I go either. I don't engage in public displays and don't care to see them either. And you couldn't ban it totally, short of doing away with all poseballs, and spying intrusuvely on everyone. I don't think banning adult activity would spawn any sort of underground economy per se, I think a lot of people would just leave.

The nasty perverts don't go to the free orgy places. The very nastiest conversation I had was in a forest, with people whose initial presentation bore absolutely no clue as to their final thrill.

The people in the free orgy places are actually being responsible: the biggest problem isn't the free orgy places: it's the inability to provide free "no sex places". Most annoying that those of us who are anti-violence (that includes me) can set our land to no-harm, and be spared weapons: but those who are anti-sex (I assume this includes Ashlee from what she says) don't have an equivalent capability. I'd strongly support classification of all sex related attahcments, poseballs, scripts etc on the same lines as violence or weapon-related ones, so that the "pro/anti sex" status thing isn't so one sided in favour.

(I am completely anti prudery, by the way: I can just see far enough into the prude camp to understand why they feel so threatened. If we want our rights, we have to uphold theirs too, and they are the losers right now. it's unfair.)

Once SL starts working again I probably can. *Thinks about all those bad porno movies where the plumber or appliance repair man gets a little extra payment after a job well done*

But isn't the problem with further classifications into "sex" and "no sex" areas problematic from the perspective of the Mature rating? I mean, if there's no sex and (now) no gambling, why would there be a Mature rating at all?

I think what some people want is a lot more PG sims, to be honest.

ID verification is supposed to deal with this very issue. There was talk of an adult rating, which I'm not sure whether it was ever confirmed that that would be a new rating or whether they were just using the word "adult" in place of "mature".

Dan L talks like the PG/M distinctions permently affixed to land will eventually be going away.

Instead content will be parcel level controlled.

Adult content will be limited to verified people only ..

Mature content will be a hard to determine region.

Teens and adults will be able to mingle in parts of the grid. (for sure this will be non-adult / non-mature )

Anyhow thats how Dan L outlined how things will be working as far as Content.

He did also say there would always be an Adults only place.

lmao . why does everyone hate sex so much? i mean how frigid do you hafta be to post something like that mmm thanks for the laugh

considering Dan used "Broadly Offensive" as a term to describe both things that are never allowed.

and early used "Broadly Offensive" to define things that ARE normally allowed on Mature parcels.

I would be hesitant to beleive Adult and Mature are necessarily different things.

Especially when even though I SPECIFICALLY asked the question of "will there be both Mature and Adult flags on parcels" of Robin L she answered everything else in my post but that question.

My faith in the ability of Dan L to maintain strict word usuage reguarding Policy is limited.

That would make sense, but it still wouldn't solve the issue of people complaining about the ubiquity of sex, I think.

It seems to me that the most feasible way to do achieve this would be to create/reclassify certain sims into a new category of "sex" sims.

In other words, LL could create or reclassify certain existing sims as "intimacy sims" or something like that, where "public" sex is allowed. The remaining/existing "Mature" sims would have "private" sex allowed (and yes I realize that the definitions are tricky ...) but no commercial sex establishments or pubic sex venues like orgy rooms, public BDSM venues and the like. This approach would preserve the "maturity" of the existing M sims, while zoning the more public and commercial sex venues into specified areas.

The grey areas, of course, revolve around the definitions. The extremes are clear enough: strip clubs, sex clubs, escort clubs, orgy rooms and the like are all places involving "public sex", and two lovers making love in their own bedroom clearly constitutes "private sex", but there's a lot of room in between for ambiguity. Two lovers making love on the beach in front of their home in plain view: public sex or private sex? An escort who freelances and entertains her clients in her private home: public sex or private sex? And what about activities that relate to sex, but are not sex themselves, like shops that sell sexy clothing, lingerie, equipment and the like -- it seems easy enough that something that classifies as a "sex shop" would be "commercial sex" and placed in an "intimacy sim", but what about really, really sexy clothing designs? Do they also get relegated to the "intimacy sim" or are they permitted in mature commercial zones as well?

I think that it's far more likely that LL will adopt some kind of a zoning approach rather than banning public and commercial sex, but the devil is in the details, and it's not that easy to resolve some of the ambiguities that such a situation could present.

This follows my view on the subject, just as there are now places specific to violent content. I do think it possible that there might be some sort of regulation of advertising for sex related content, particularily if graphic illustrations or language is involved (broadly offensive clause).

On apositive note, that would limit the customer base for ad farmers

what else is there to do in second life no sex no gambling i might as well go back to real life.

SL isn't "Virtual World" anymore it has become "Virtual Christian America". Whatever laws or morality holds true there in the U.S will eventually creep into SL. The game is slowly but surely becoming sanitised!

I was never into gambling or cared much for Public sex places after my noob period or into RP's SIMs like Gor or Furry nation or whatever......but I do believe in people being allowed to have choices. (apart from Child Sex) People should be allowed to spend their hard earnt money how they see fit.......whether its on slot machines, roulette tables, sex pose balls, sex gen beds, porn movies or whatever.

Basically our civil liberties and choices are being eroded and that sucks!

Your civil liberties do not extend to SL. This is not the RL. Please do not confuse the two.

This is a logical idea of course-

And it has been brought up in the past.

But it would be Linden Lab admitting people use their "3D internet of the future" for sex and they need to be responsible and segregate content.

Right now they have this see-no-evil monkey approach, in that they claim they have no idea what contnet people have on their Land and only respond to reports of misconduct.

Ok then.....my Avatar's civil liberties, whom i control behind a keyboard.

We are entitled to whatever liberties LL, as the owners of SL decide to give us, no others. And they will be decided by Linden's business and legal needs as well as the desires of the Corporate Overlords.

When did your avi get civil liberties, and how do I go about getting them for mine?

Hehe, that's ultimately very self-destructive, but oh well.

Oh NO - NOT REAL LIFE !!!!!!!
I been there and it is NOT pleasant. Lotsa weird avatars who ban sex!!!

It appears that way!

Unfortunately we have already gotten a taste how this Virtual World could have been like, before the introduction of these latest policy changes. Now myself being just an average Joe, none of these policy changes effect me directly...but i am very much for people being allowed choices for a game that is readily accessible right across the world......however these goal posts are constantly being moved!

Eg. A number of people would have invested heavily in gambling equipment & building casinos prior to the law change involving on-line gambling (The. US Govt not getting their cut i presume??).....lost a hell of a lot of money in the process without reimbursement. It would have been a nice touch had Linden Labs waived their Tiers for a month or two as a form of compensation.

What about all those creators that would have spent a enormous amount of time creating such equipment?.........their businesses in world and on places like SLEX are effectively wiped out!


Now we're having mute discussions about the Sex industry and Gorean culture..........are they next on the hit list?......leading to the errosion of even more choices which were once enjoyed!!!

If I might point out the obvious: around 80 years ago, some genius in the US government thought it would be a great idea to make alcohol illegal. Did that stop drinking? No. Did it stop production? No. Did it achieve the goal that was desired (said goal is debatable)? No. What did happen? Production, sale, & distribution merely changed from overt to covert. Eventually, the futility was realized and the law was repealed.

Who honestly really really thinks that gambling in SL will stop?

And if you do think that, care to put a wager on it?

Very well said. Same with escorts. Though it's illegal where I live IRL, I can go down to a specific street, and there they are.

This new policy will not stop anything.

Also, IMO, when you pay an escort ISL, you're not soliciting sex, you're never touching another person. You are never going over the legal limits of what an RL escort can do. Just because two avatars sit on two poseballs that make it look like they're having sex, I'm not having sex with anyone, nor did I even pay for or silicit sex. The definition of sex is intercourse, and in SL there is no such thing.

You can still wager on sex, as long as you are using skill. There is no wagering allowed on random sex. Or sex with random number generators. (I'm not sure how that last one would work, but in SL somebody could find a way.)

seven, seven!, SEVEN!!! JACKPOT! XD