Skin and Fashion sellers & age verification

I don't see why there is all this discussion about what is defined as adult content. I think Linden Labs made it absolutely clear in the blog Q & A.



That makes it absolutely, positively clear. Use your common sense!

The problem is common sense isn't common. What is explicitly sexual or excessively violent to one person is not the same to another. With SL becoming increasingly global in the origins of its residents explicit definitions are going to become increasingly necessary due to the sheer diversity or population and thier own versions of "common sense".

Theres a pretty definite question though on where Mature comes in. Especially if the Mature and Adult flags are the same flag.

This says to me im responsible for any visitors to my land. Not only am I responsible for what they see. Im repeonsible for what they DO. It says nothing about me having to give permission for them to do anything.

Thank you all for keeping the discussion to the topic of the question asked. I hope this doesn't become another OMG-LL-is-outa-their-minds! thread.

As far as Explicit and common sense - its actually not the Landowner's common sense that matters.

Its the common sense of visitors with their finger on the AR button.

Yes thats the issue - It basically forces you to flag your Mature Land adult.

Hopefully when this migrates into the TOS its more clear and has less holes which hurt landowners.

Right, exactly. LL will enforce this the way they've always enforced questionable content on PG land. It's fine unless someone complains, and then common sense tends to go out the window in favor of the offended party. I once had to remove one of my art pieces from PG land. It was a nude female in a 3d rendering, black and white, with no nipples or genitals. It was no more graphic in nature than the lady justice statue that John Ashcroft had covered up so that bronze breasts wouldn't burn his pious eyeballs. All the power ends up in the hands of the easily offended.

I have little doubt that this move is directed at the more extreme forms of content in SL like bondage, ageplay, sex clubs, and the like, and that's reasonable, but if this isn't spelled out more concretely then it's going to cause a lot of problems (and lost revenue) for people who aren't even remotely connected to those things but whose content might offend people with delicate sensibilities and parents who can't stand the idea of their minor seeing a nude person. So whose common sense are we to go by? Our own or those that might AR us?

Is nudity Adult?

No, it's the common sense of the person reading the abuse report.

If LL's staff applies some common sense, we might be ok.

MIGHT.

And what is nudity?

I have taken a risk with opening a PG store - I have covered all nipples and sex organs as well as the seem on the backside.

But someone could still take offense I suppose - even though i think I got all pixels where the color of the skin changes, due to these things.

When Municiplaties (usually beaches to cover swimwear) write anti-nudity statutes they over will tell you how much of the skin must be covered and how opaque it has to be.


I personally think nudity isnt at all offensive - its just nature. But my common sense isnt whats going to get people AR'd

I dont think so - enough Abuse reports on any person's content and they will fold.

not necessarily.

I've seen this before, where people were harrassed by bogus reports. The system of automatic banning was what folded, because people were getting barred for nothing they actually did.

LL doesn't have an automatic banning system - rather they flag people and then investigate closer. If LL doesn't rate nudity as adult, we'll be fine. And they're in a pretty lax area in the USA, considering. It's not like LL is in the Deep South.

Otherwise, you might as well rate all land PG and Adult and be done with it. I don't think that's what they're really after. I think they're after the more extreme forms of content to be rated adult.

They are implementing this verification system practically overnight, while making darndest sure they avoid defining how this whole thing is supposed to operate, beyond the vaguest and quite meaningless hand waving.

Afraid that alone indicates pretty well just how much common sense you can expect.

I'm considering doing the same and having PG packaging and putting bikinis on the demo versions, but it doesn't make me happy that I should have to spend more money and time because somehow it's my responsibility when some minor breaks the rules. In an adult world that's only open to people over the age of 18 it seems ludicrous to me that we're now going to be held liable for exposing people to content who are breaking the law by being there in the first place. That's completely their own responsibility, not mine. Why is it being made mine?

I share your concerns there :/

I really don't know what to expect until I see it in action. Until then, I'm just disclaiming my content, because community standards on such things really do vary from community to community, state to state, and country to country.

becuase this is step one of many to a Second Life thats not 18+

"The Metaverse" wont be 18+


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Its like zoning land for a Space Port in your RL City with the thought that eventually Space Ships will come and so you should be ready.

I'm afraid that you're probably right.

Actually I don't think it does say that. "All content creators and businesses are morally and legally responsible for their activities." 'Their' being the content creators and businesses, the activities and the content they provide.

This interpretation would seem to be reinforced by the statement "the burden of responsibility lies with the parcel and estate owner for the content displayed and activities offered on their land." The activities offered (key word) by the parcel or estate owner, and the content they display - not the activities of someone who may happen to visit. You would only be responsible for what they do, if you offered the activity.

LL has never been good at unambiguous language, but I think (hope) that is a correct interpretation.

I dont know. There should be seperate paragraphs if they are refering to Only the Landowners and content creators. While its possible to read it as you mentioned. It would be much clearer if they didnt put that sentence RIGHT after a sentence about minors.

I think the entire blog post should be pulled and rewritten. Theres simply too much confusion involved.

If you turned in that mess on a college level exam you'd have gotten a lot of red ink back.


Now heres the funny thing in that quote weve all missed -

We believe that most landowners will want to take steps to prevent underage Residents being exposed to adult content.



What Underaged Residents? there should be NO Underaged residents. there might be some underaged players - but they are guilty of fraud.

The term "Underage Resident" should not be used in such a casual way. Not until somone makes it legal to be in SL when under 18.

Agreed that it's poorly constructed. LL statements tend to confuse rather than clarify.

They need to hire some writers - Not just coders.

I didn't miss it. That's the part that really irks me. I have absolutely no desire to be deputized against my will into protecting the eyeballs or moral fiberof other people's children.

Ditto.