Skin and Fashion sellers & age verification

Suppose ETD and Canimal and others need to flag their sims as adult since they sell skins (or thongs). Does that mean they are going to simply do without the business of unverifieds? Or will they create versions without private parts for the main store and have a new location from which to sell the full version?

Are sellers giving this any thought?

I am.

Im very glad I opened a PG version of my store now.

Like Some places that sell AMAZING clothes and skin..
do you think they will be marked?


personally I don't want to get cut off from buying skin & Clothes If The whole Sim Is Marked ...

they said if you don't verify you can still get into mature sims, but not ones marked as adult content.

strip club = sexually explicit.
skin store = mature
thongs = PG

Unless of course the skin ads are taken with models on sex balls.

For those that still don't understand... anything you'd find in a rated R or NC-17 film = mature. Anything in a XXX film = adult content.

Thank you for Specifying

yes I thought about it and have all the fig leaves ready for a pg version and a "mature" version as well . Fig leaves version comes first ^^

Think it through. Its not about selling skin, it's about the ads for the skin. Cover the nipples and crotch with stars or whatever. Leave the demos nude. Sell it in a mature area. Don't make a brewhaha over a cough.

I'm definitely thinking about this - what does and does not qualify as "adult" content?

Is a picture of a nude avatar in a skin ad adult content? Or merely mature?

Is an Xcite compatible product that isn't overtly sexual - such as the Xcite functions on our wings (the messages are fairly tame, no mentions of genitals, sex, etc) - is that adult or merely mature?

These are all fair questions to ask if the Lindens are saying that the responsibility for flagging adult content is the land owners'.

I'm also curious if the adult feature will be on different portions of the land within an island sim? So if I divide half my island into 2 land parcels - one adult and the other not adult, I would hope that I'd be able to flag each parcel differently regarding the adult thing.

I agree there should be some very distinct lines drawn on what they constitute as sexually explicit. Knowing LL, we won't get this at all.

Personally I see a nude avie skin ad as mature - as it's not overtly sexual. Where as a nude avie in a strip club is. I think the context of the nudity is important, not just the fact that they are nude. But some crazy christian mom probably doesn't agree.

Although with you wings example I don't know how anyone could say that should be, in of itself, "adult content."

From what I read on the blog, it looks like the setting is per parcel not per sim.

I think we'll end up with the Supreme Court's opinion on obscenity and pornography: You can't specifically define it, but you know it when you see it.

It's my understanding that this will be a per-parcel setting, but that doesn't really answer anything. Will I be able to buy from a vendor on an adult-flagged parcel if I am standing in the non-adult parcel next door?

I'm most curious what island owners with full-sim stores will do, as they have the most flexibility. They could actually make this effective by flagging the whole sim, or they could be practical and arrange their store into rooms running along parcel boundaries, or they could game the system and put the adult-material vendors on 16 sq m plots so unverified's can't stand before the vendor but they can stand next to it

And I'm curious what LL considers "common sense" adult flagging. I had assumed that bare skins (advertisements or products) would be adult items, but that isn't at all a given, obviously.

If you accept the idea that people should have to be age verified to sell "adult" material, should the people that sell it also have to be age verified?


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It is a good question though. What counts as mature flagged.

Does a collar count when the box is just a picture of the collar?

What about a tie down when there is no sex balls, nudity or whipping?

there are going to be alot of shades of grey that as of yet have not been hashed out.

I totally agree with what Luth said the limits/scope 'adult' content should be. My concern is, like she said, what other people may think is 'adult' varies tho. And if I am going to be held both morally and legally responsible, then I have no idea what lines to draw.

I realize it's not easy to define pornography or what should be adult content, but some rough guidelines from Linden Labs would be really helpful. I suppose it will be a matter of seeing the community norm as I doubt LL would want to start ruling on what is or is not adult content as that might make them, instead of me, legally liable.

I'd imagine that if you flag your parcel adult, you'd have to age verify your own avatar.

I too am curious about how the parcel settings will work. One discussion I had with a friend, he suggested putting the non-adult section underground to prevent anyone from even being able to SEE into the adult stuff. Which in my case would be "ohmigod, that wing had a sort of erotic text line".

Since the Official Linden Blog is acting coy and hiding behind advice to "use common sense" (snicker, snicker) am going to do just that, and presume a skin (i.e. nudity) is neither "explicitly sexual" or "excessively violent", and as such does not require "adult" tag. Perhaps my interpretation can differ from one of a random Linden but then so what? That would be the beauty of "common sense" i.e. no one really has the authority to actually define it for everyone. So as long as the "common sense" is the only pseudo-rule, the whole issue is pretty much moot.

Once there *is* some actual written down (precise if possible) guidelines of what constitutes as "adult" content, there can be some sensible discussion on what to do about it. Until then, it's just wild speculations (which is convenient for LL in a way because frightened people deprived of information what the rules are tend to police themselves quite more strict than they would otherwise)

If you accept the idea that age verification is needed to prevent access by minors to adult content, then shouldn't everyone that comes within seeing distance of adult content that is visibly adult in nature be required to verify their age? Adult content which is adult in its appearance is accessed merely by being seen. Not being on the same parcel as the visible adult material hasn't prevented access to it.

With a draw distance of 512 meters, and a sim size of 256 by 256, one should be asking for age verification of everyone who comes within two sims of a sufficiently adult dirty picture.

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"Adult textures" can be easily distributed throughout Second Life without regard to an avatar's location.

it never crossed my mind to think of a shape & skin vendor to be 'adult' or xxx.
outside of strict islam i think americans are the only people to think along these lines. even the verification system is geared toward americans.

i think we should be able to verify from the credit card info ll has from me that i am not american and hopefully i can opt out of the coppa hysteria the yanks have unleashed on the world.

I look at the piles of National Geographic Magazine in the library of the local elementary school, and I wonder why anyone would consider selling skins mature.

And that would be, at least to me, seeing Toyota, Dell IBM etc in SL. But that's just me.

If a store owner "ticks" their store for "Adult" then some are going to loose buisness due to some of their customers may not choose to "tick" Adult to get into that store so buisness lost. And another thought comes to mind whats to stop someone from camming across a sim to an Adult store to purchase or for that matter an under aged to cam into Adult areas?

check out the headlights on that Toyota.

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You of course have a good point, dear

I've been wondering about this myself (for obvious reasons). I wouldn't be surprised if all nudity is considered adult. Are we now moving beyond PG and Mature, to PG, Mature, and Adult? Nudity is common in a skin store, not just on the packaging but with people trying on demo skins. If this is about trying to protect minors from things their parents wouldn't want them to see (which of course it's not. It's about protecting LL from liability), then it seems nudity would be considered Adult. Are Mature sims going to be off limits to people who aren't age verified by default? Or just parcels that are flagged as adult?

If someone doesn't think nudity by itself should be considered adult and doesn't flag their land, and someone AR's them, are they going to find themselves banned? LL really needs to give us some clarification. This raises very obvious questions that should have been addressed in the initial announcement. Why is it the landowners responsibility and liability when operating in a world that's for 18 and over only when some kid lies and breaks the rules to enter? How is that anyone's responsibility but the minor's and their parents?

even worse, some of these people will find it an attractive option to get a 512 somewhere were there arent too many adult banlines. get out into less adult land and make it easy for people to cam into your little 512 adult parcel.
the good thing about adult banlines could be that roads become more useful :o)

i am tempted to grab some 512 mature now to resell at a huge profit.

I have a lot of concerns over this "Morally and legally responsible" with reguards to people on your land.

Its opens up a whole new form of griefing.

Team of 3 -

Two rez poseballs and have sex on someone's store floor.

Then the undercover plant - the "horribly offended" Resident who walks in on the couple fornicating. Takes sreenshots, Chatlogs - files an Abuse Report...


Remember that most store owners have their store open 24/7/365 - while they are rarely present.