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Brenda Connolly
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08-03-2007 13:09
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OMG *falls over laughing*

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08-03-2007 13:10
From: Brenda Connolly
Mike is right. All us who didn't study art, graphic design, computer programming, business management,electronic engineering, nuclear physics, quantum mechanics, and the writings of Nitzshe should get the Hell out of Second Life. How dare we impose ourselves on the virtual elite. And let's not even mention people who may actually *gasp* do physical work for a living. :rolleyes:


I never said for anyone to "get the hell out"--I eluded to people with bad attitudes...those people can leave. There is quite a difference...I'm glad you were on your A-game when you read that.

Also, with all due respect Brenda, what is your point? Are you telling me that I don't like the average citizen? Find ONE thing I've ever posted that would illustrate this attitude? And please, no cutting half of something, and skewing an idea--post the completed thought.

I love everyone. Seriously. We all make the world go 'round. You should read the Secret. Anyway...all that aside, I think the very occupations you listed are fascinating, and if I had to choose whether to let a general consumer in SL, or a quantum physicist, I choose the scientist. *shrugs* Wouldn't you pick a Rembrant over a window washer if both were very affable?

EDIT: I like for the world to go round as interestingly as possible...the more creators and thinkers the better. This does not mean I think down on anybody...ever. To be overly dramatic, it simply means I want to meet more Abe Lincolns, and less mundane cattle. But again, I love ALL of creation, equally (if your a nice person that is).
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Brenda Connolly
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08-03-2007 13:13
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I never said for anyone to "get the hell out"--I eluded to people with bad attitudes...those people can leave. There is quite a difference...I'm glad you were on your A-game when you read that.

Also, with all due respect Brenda, what is your point? Are you telling me that I don't like the average citizen? Find ONE thing I've ever posted that would illustrate this attitude? And please, no cutting half of something, and skewing an idea--post the completed thought.

I love everyone. Seriously. We all make the world go 'round. You should read the Secret. Anyway...all that aside, I think the very occupations you listed are fascinating, and if I had to choose whether to let a general consumer in SL, or a quantum physicist, I choose the scientist. *shrugs* Wouldn't you pick a Rembrant over a window washer if both were very affable?

Wow, you really don't have a sense of humor, do you? Or are you a Vulcan?

And what exactly would I be picking the Rembrandt over the Window Washer for?
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08-03-2007 13:14
From: Brenda Connolly
Wow, you really don't have a sense of humor, do you? Or are you a Vulcan?



What you said, to me, wasn't meant to be funny--don't try to twist it around.

I have a fabulous sense of humor--you should read my blogs sometimes.

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08-03-2007 13:16
Y'all are probably gonna hate me, but my *personal* solution is changing the UI size to 0.875 in preferences.
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08-03-2007 13:17
From: Michael Bigwig
What you said, to me, wasn't meant to be funny--don't try to twist it around.

I have a fabulous sense of humor--you should read my blogs sometimes.

:)


No, it was meant to be humorous, in a sarcastic way. As are most of the things I say here. Believe me Hon, you are not that important to me to warrant engaging in any serious debating.
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08-03-2007 13:21
I threw up all over the new viewer when I tried it but I did get used to it after an hour or so. Meh, it could be worse.
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08-03-2007 13:23
I play SL on a Mac Powerbook. I am pretty much stuck with the 1440x900 resolution widescreen monitor of my laptop. The new Communication window takes up far too much vertical real estate when you don't have a lot of of it to begin with.

Maybe, once I have a chance to try some of the 'hacks' for resizing the windows, I may grow to like the new communicator, but it really should not take hacks to have a workable UI.

Honestly, telling people that they have to upgrade their systems is pretty lame. One of the things that attracted some of us to SL in the first place was that it did NOT require a high-end computer to play. I am not at all happy that with every update, the performance of SL on my older laptop degrades more.
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08-03-2007 13:24
From: Brenda Connolly
No, it was meant to be humorous, in a sarcastic way. As are most of the things I say here. Believe me Hon, you are not that important to me to warrant engaging in any serious debating.


Ah the irony. I love attitude.
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08-03-2007 13:26
From: Midori Mikazuki
I play SL on a Mac Powerbook. I am pretty much stuck with the 1440x900 resolution widescreen monitor of my laptop. The new Communication window takes up far too much vertical real estate when you don't have a lot of of it to begin with.

Maybe, once I have a chance to try some of the 'hacks' for resizing the windows, I may grow to like the new communicator, but it really should not take hacks to have a workable UI.

Honestly, telling people that they have to upgrade their systems is pretty lame. One of the things that attracted some of us to SL in the first place was that it did NOT require a high-end computer to play. I am not at all happy that with every update, the performance of SL on my older laptop degrades more.



You don't have to upgrade your system. I run a P3, run SL at 800 * 600 (in a window--my main rez is 1280*1024 on a 19" LCD) and everything looks and runs fine. I don't find the communicate window/s get in the way at all. In fact, because voice is available to the main grid, I have less windows open, and I don't need to go back and forth as often.

Just my opinion of course. I don't see why you can't get enough "real estate" on your monitor...there's plenty on mine.
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08-03-2007 13:28
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Ah the irony. I love attitude.

I'm a product of my environment.
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08-03-2007 13:29
From: Brenda Connolly
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08-03-2007 13:29
Waitaminute people with Bad Attitudes have to leave Second Life now?
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08-03-2007 13:31
From: Colette Meiji
Waitaminute people with Bad Attitudes have to leave Second Life now?


How else are we gonna get the server load down?

I miss the days of 4000 people online was considered a big day anyway...
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08-03-2007 13:32
From: Michael Bigwig
If I stub my toe tomorrow morning, I'm blaming you! :)


OMG. He can be funny!!!!!
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08-03-2007 13:34
From: Brenda Connolly
Mike is right. All us who didn't study art, graphic design, computer programming, business management,electronic engineering, nuclear physics, quantum mechanics, and the writings of Nitzshe should get the Hell out of Second Life. How dare we impose ourselves on the virtual elite. And let's not even mention people who may actually *gasp* do physical work for a living. :rolleyes:


Yes, Michael the artiste' is such a wonderful renniassance (sp?) man! I am glad we have such godlike intellect to enlighten our benighted lives...our complaints are just wrong perceptions but his are solid facts and great pearls of wisdom! Don't you feel enlightened by his mere presence on these forums? And he was actually condescending to me in a post! Its like being touched by the FSM's noodly appendage! :)

Seriously, all Mikey's doing is confirming that most the pro-voice fanatics are flaming prats. Folks that CANNOT accept text-users existance, since we're clearly their technological and intellectual inferiors....who MUST be made to conform to the 'future'. Aparently, even throwing us a tiny bone in the form of a revised communicator window would somehow utterly ruin his voice experience so we must be made to use it.
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08-03-2007 13:36
From: Brenda Connolly
OMG. He can be funny!!!!!


*didnt get it*
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08-03-2007 13:38
From: Day Oh
Y'all are probably gonna hate me, but my *personal* solution is changing the UI size to 0.875 in preferences.


Great tip...can't believe i never tried that, I love it. I also don't understand all of the complaining about this communicate window, I really like it and think it is a very good design.
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08-03-2007 13:39
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*didnt get it*

Shhh. I'm trying to make nice.
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Chas Connolly
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08-03-2007 13:40
From: Michael Bigwig

Also, with all due respect Brenda, what is your point? Are you telling me that I don't like the average citizen? Find ONE thing I've ever posted that would illustrate this attitude? And please, no cutting half of something, and skewing an idea--post the completed thought.

I love everyone. Seriously. We all make the world go 'round. You should read the Secret. Anyway...all that aside, I think the very occupations you listed are fascinating, and if I had to choose whether to let a general consumer in SL, or a quantum physicist, I choose the scientist. *shrugs* Wouldn't you pick a Rembrant over a window washer if both were very affable?

EDIT: I like for the world to go round as interestingly as possible...the more creators and thinkers the better. This does not mean I think down on anybody...ever. To be overly dramatic, it simply means I want to meet more Abe Lincolns, and less mundane cattle. But again, I love ALL of creation, equally (if your a nice person that is).


If you ever need a denial of something to illustrate the exact opposite, you could use this as an example. I thought I was an elitist bastard until I read this. Now I realise I'm quite nice and very egalitarian. Rembrandt would never consent to come round and wash my windows.

Remember, one of the first rules of a thinker is to doubt. And if I were MIchael, I would have some very serious doubts.
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08-03-2007 13:41
From: Brenda Connolly
OMG. He can be funny!!!!!


And you're being too kind. What's come over us?
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08-03-2007 13:41
From: Michael Bigwig
You don't have to upgrade your system. I run a P3, run SL at 800 * 600 (in a window--my main rez is 1280*1024 on a 19" LCD) and everything looks and runs fine. I don't find the communicate window/s get in the way at all. In fact, because voice is available to the main grid, I have less windows open, and I don't need to go back and forth as often.

Just my opinion of course. I don't see why you can't get enough "real estate" on your monitor...there's plenty on mine.
I can't believe you Michael. I guess you must rely almost solely on Voice then, or that you seldom do anything with text chat or IM's. Otherwise I can't understand how losing half your visibility every time the Chatterbox opens up isn't 'getting in your way".

I run in 800 x 600, and that Chatterbox wipes out half my screen. I'm effectlvely blind when it is open. And I have the Chat history and at least 1 to 8 IM tabs open almost all the time when I am in SL...

Is it just that when you are text chatting or voice chatting, you don't care what is happening in the 3D virtual world around you? (That certainly seemed to be the case with the people in the Voice Beta, when I tried it - if it wasn't spoken, it may as well not be happening for the pro-voicers). I'd really like to understand how eliminating access to half your visibility on the world isn't a problem for you.
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08-03-2007 13:43
From: Michael Bigwig
Just my opinion of course. I don't see why you can't get enough "real estate" on your monitor...there's plenty on mine.


Your UI needs are different from mine, then.

My preference, before this last update, was to have a wide but short IM window at the top of my screen, and a small square-ish chat window in the bottom left corner. A tall-but-narrow IM window doesn't work for me, because I usually have a half dozen IM conversations going, and I can't see all of the tabs at once if the IM window is narrow The tabs that I can't see, I miss activity in, and people think I'm ignoring them. I need it wide.

I can still get the width I need, but the new communicator window is too tall, even at its minimum height. It blocks far too much of the world for my liking if stretched across the top of my window.
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08-03-2007 13:44
From: Day Oh
Y'all are probably gonna hate me, but my *personal* solution is changing the UI size to 0.875 in preferences.
At that size the text is unreadable for me. And you can only shrink it to 0.75, which doesn't help enough when it's now more than 2x as tall as it was before.
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08-03-2007 13:44
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I can't believe you Michael. I guess you must rely almost solely on Voice then, or that you seldom do anything with text chat or IM's. Otherwise I can't understand how losing half your visibility every time the Chatterbox opens up isn't 'getting in your way".

I run in 800 x 600, and that Chatterbox wipes out half my screen. I'm effectlvely blind when it is open. And I have the Chat history and at least 1 to 8 IM tabs open almost all the time when I am in SL...

Is it just that when you are text chatting or voice chatting, you don't care what is happening in the 3D virtual world around you? (That certainly seemed to be the case with the people in the Voice Beta, when I tried it - if it wasn't spoken, it may as well not be happening for the pro-voicers). I'd really like to understand how eliminating access to half your visibility on the world isn't a problem for you.


He seems to think SL should be more like MSN. Or .... and I hate to say this ... he likes the sound of his owhn voice.
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