PS3 Home: Sony's answer to SecondLife?
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Doing Something
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03-10-2007 05:12
From: Niamh Suisei I'm not so sure about the user-created content. Seems to me that UCC has become SL's reason for being - making and selling and buying. Take the UCC out of the equation and you'll get much more of a "community" thing going - which is Home's selling point. . This is a good point. It can often be difficult to approach people in SL these days. It seems like everybody is busy making their next product, their home or trying to match the seam on their underpants. But the strange thing is that when dropped into an environment where there's nothing to do but chat. We seem to have very little to chat about. I suppose the ideal world would be one where people feel compelled to chat. This would have to be some sort of game world with objectives. Then people would naturally team up to help eachother pass obstacles, monsters, annoying assholes etc. Then again, maybe people in Sony's Home will be able spend most of their time arguing between gaming sessions.
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Warda Kawabata
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03-10-2007 05:25
From what I can tell, Sony Home seems to be designed mostly to be a chat room for finding other players for online games, similar to the text only chat room that is the arrival point in Blizzard's battlenet interface for Diablo II -- only far prettier.
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grumble Loudon
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03-10-2007 07:11
I suspect that if you stood under one of the lights in the theater image your legs would not be light up.
In other words it's all an illusion made using a good artist and drawing package. Just look at WOW's graphics.
That's not to say that LL won't get some competition from a P2P/Web type system, but would you really be willing to rent items instead of buying them?
FYI: in a P2P/Web system the only way to secure scripts is to have them run on the server of the person that sold them to you. This means that if that server went down, the item would stop working.
On the other hand It might be possible to use the TPM module on a trusted system to create a method of securing sold content.
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Ace Albion
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03-12-2007 04:55
Another way to look at this, is that this puts avatar based social interaction onto the widescreen TV in the living room. As opposed to the study, or bedroom.
That's maybe something to think about.
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03-13-2007 21:17
In connection with being able to create your surroundings, here's a video of another offering for the PS3, from the guys that made Ragdoll Kung-Fu: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/9860 .
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03-14-2007 02:33
everyone seen that example.......looks intersting.but who knows.
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03-14-2007 04:00
For my 10 cents worth, although the trailer looks very good, they wouldn't use a 'standard' run of the mill PC to produce it as we do in SL. The PS3 is a very graphical platform, much like coin-ops are. The one huge element I see 'missing' which is only suggested, is commerce, one of the greatest assets of SL, freedom to trade, without either paying revenues to the controller like There.com, or having them supplied. The creation of a uniquness if you want to make something specifically just for yourself. It seems to be handed to you on a plate (or your Credit Card). That alone would be the greatest limitation for me.
It is intimated that you can 'simply' download things as you want them, the business model would have to generate revenue, which maybe based on the There.com system of charging a percentage of anything created for general selling, again this maybe controlled by Sony. You create something out of game, send the submission for approval by Sony, if it makes it, the place it into their controlled catalogue for general sale (they may even preset the price) and take their percentage from your revenue. There is no suggestion of shops and other outlets other than that suppled and controlled by Sony. Even the house seemed somewhat contrived, although I suspsect along with your favourite pet picture and porn movie stream, you will probably be able to change the textures.
Although considered an asset to many, the potential of greifers being reduced to verbal warfare, it would seem the ability to have weapons is missing except maybe under strict controls, that would also remove a huge revenue/business platform, from what is considerably a thriving community in SL. I don't advocate the liberal use of weapons, but do acknowledge their rights to creativity and commerce, as in the Real World. The outlook for this game leaves me with the impression of being under the control by Sony in a parental way. It maybe a great social platform, which many will applaude, but it has already been done before time and time again.
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03-14-2007 05:14
From: AWM Mars For my 10 cents worth, although the trailer looks very good, they wouldn't use a 'standard' run of the mill PC to produce it as we do in SL. The PS3 is a very graphical platform, much like coin-ops are. The one huge element I see 'missing' which is only suggested, is commerce, one of the greatest assets of SL, freedom to trade, without either paying revenues to the controller like There.com, or having them supplied . The average PC can run SL, but I wouldn't say well, if you really want to crank the graphics some cash needs to be spent. Hmm perhaps this is why Lindens contine with the free users to try & build a loyal playerbase? Hmm The Land Profiteerss may not be happy, having to decide to grab more or sell off before it drops in value if half the player base leave.
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03-14-2007 05:14
From: Rocketman Raymaker is it possible someone could create a viewer for SL that could be used on PS3? Perhaps they might make a PC viewer for Home too
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03-14-2007 05:40
that little big planet looks inccredible. It wasn't clear to me from the video if one can import our own images into that place. Are we limited to those little sackguy thingies for avatars?
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03-14-2007 15:13
From: Rocketman Raymaker is it possible someone could create a viewer for SL that could be used on PS3? I remember seeing a video about a month after the PS3 launched that someone put a certain version of Linux on the PS3's hard drive. Not ceratin it was true though.
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03-16-2007 04:12
Whatever one may say about the technical shortcomings of SL, the fact is that it's now an institution. Real-world political parties are setting up offices in SL. Segolene Royal has an avatar. Do you think that will ever happen in PS3 Home, or any of the other virtual communities already mentioned in this thread?
I read stories about things going on in SL - in mainstream newspapers, complete with screenshots where a photo would normally be. The fact is that SL has achieved a global significance that rival products are going to find it very hard to catch up with. Remember back to the days when Bill Gates thought that MSN would replace the internet?
In some respects SL is like the internet of the future. LL just have to keep their nerve and not screw up.
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03-16-2007 04:21
Heh- even tho "Home" looks nice, there have been some VERY valid points as to why its NOT the next "Second Life Killer" 
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03-16-2007 04:28
From: Tod69 Talamasca Heh- even tho "Home" looks nice, there have been some VERY valid points as to why its NOT the next "Second Life Killer"  Did I miss one somewhere? 
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Warda Kawabata
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03-16-2007 04:36
From: bilbo99 Emu Did I miss one somewhere?  The last SL killer was the inventory issues, I believe.
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Sony Announces Lay offs
04-18-2007 15:51
This morning, in the Japanese press, Sony announced a 10% layoff in Europe for their money losing games division.
As Sony Home is being developed and promoted from that division, I wonder if Sony has the fortitude to stick it out with Sony Home. The company as a whole is being hit hard financially from many different directions - the battery recalls and Blu Ray are costing them bundels, and the game division has been losing money for a while now, citing competition from Nintendo and Microsoft.
While Sony Home looks cool - the actaul beta has yet to be released. I am sure that the games division is internally promoting Home as part of of their plan to bring the division into profitibilty. But virtuaral worlds as social networks has yet to be proven as as a high-revenue generating business model. It's still a metaverse that is build on a lot of dreams an ups.
To the the Sony accountants in Tokyo, who are struggling to pay all of the battery claims, the costs of Blu Ray development, and the on going losses of the games division, is Home exciting enough for them to continue investing in?
If they are laying off people, I would assume that substantial budget cuts will be forthcoming for Home development as well.
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04-18-2007 19:06
From: Jackson Rickenbacker Wii is really cool, too bad they are doomed to always be the third dog behind PS and Xbox Wrong, then tell me why The Wii is always out of stock and is now the #1 system in Japan and USA as well......In Japan you still can`t find them, a client of mine wanted to get one while in Tokyo. I tried for days until I preordered a Wii for him ( 2 weeks and i some how got it ). As for the PS3 well there is a stack of them 5 or the each 20 and 60 ( I believe ) with dust on them and priced about 90.00 diff for each memory size. i am so happy i am not in to these system, my bothers make me go crazy when i was younger when they had them.
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04-19-2007 03:22
Sony is a greedy monster that is consuming itself.
Nasty, nasty company that should be taken over (hostile prefered).
Everything they touch turns to feces as they gleefully sacrifice their customers for short term profit.
Anyone that considers purchasing one of their platforms or playing one of their games is either young, forgetful, or much, much more forgiving than I.
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Cemiess Villota
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04-19-2007 05:52
From: Ketra Saarinen Funny you should say that in this thread.
Formats that SONY has pioneered:
Betamax Minidisc UMD Blu-Ray Don't forget memory sticks!
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Yiffy Yaffle
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04-19-2007 07:26
From: Falcon Hesse Sony is a greedy monster that is consuming itself.
Nasty, nasty company that should be taken over (hostile prefered).
Everything they touch turns to feces as they gleefully sacrifice their customers for short term profit.
Anyone that considers purchasing one of their platforms or playing one of their games is either young, forgetful, or much, much more forgiving than I. I duno... Sony seams to be a lot more professional then i seen LL lately. I lived through some of SOE's faults and had the same opinion as you one time... I still keep my station access anyway because i love EQ, EQ2, and Vanguard. SWG sucks though. Yes i am a very forgiving person. I would forgive LL if they decide to start treating us all with more respect. We are their customers after all. SOE gives veteran rewards, and discounts to their customers.
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Jeff Kelley
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04-19-2007 07:42
From: Argent Stonecutter Yeh, but, do you think Sony is going to create: * Non-human avatars (eg, aliens, furries, robots). * Cosplay avatars (anime, trek). * Themes not owned by Sony (eg, Gor).
They probably won't. Home is a chat and marketing platform. As was said, 75% of Second Life users do not create. Although building & scripting is the reason i'm in Second Life, many people are here to chat, dance and show their nice clothes. You can't dance and show your nice clothes as an alien or a dragon. Well you can, but this has not the meaning as being YOU (player) wearing nice clothes. That's all the point about anthro versus non-anthro game, about an electronic life versus a replica of real life. Non-anthro don't care to identify their avatar to their real person. I manage a welcome area. I'm surprised to see newcomers never leaving the welcome island. Only a small part want to build. A vast majority want to chat, dance and show their nice clothes. Noticed how often puppets are dancing in the presentation? When I appear as a dragon, I hear two opposite reactions: "Wow, it's so beautiful, I want one" (20%); "It's ugly, how can you feel comfortable without a Bimbo skin, Armani shirt and blinging Rolex watch?" (80%). Home is a perfect platform for them.
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04-19-2007 09:45
From: Cemiess Villota Don't forget memory sticks! What is a Memory Stick  SD cards do rule many devices these days and I wounder why  Maybe because they better ehhehe
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