Second Life will be banned in Australia
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Ian Nider
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06-26-2009 01:30
From: Rygel Ryba Not a conspiracy theory at all. My original post in this thread kinda got lost in all the Obama bashing (I'm kinda sick of thread hijacking, but oh well - it's on page 2 if anyone is interested). LL was aware of the possibility of this law, another one that is coming up for vote this fall in the U.S., the various anti-porn and violence laws being passed in the UK and the general trend toward censorship across the globe.
I have, and will continue to commend LL in their efforts to self-regulate. While the plan may not be perfect and while I may not agree with all of their decisions here, LL is at least being proactive enough to have viable options and means of compliance in place - before the laws actually hit the books.
As near as I can tell, once everyone with adult content is in Zindra or on a private adult island, SL will easily fall under the MA15+ game rating in Australia and Aussie users will simply be unable to log into the Adult areas (should this thing pass in the first place).
Still - if you are in Australia - the post earlier in this thread with a call to contact your officials (it has a few names for you too) is definitely a good plan. Good luck, but either way, I suspect I will at least be able to continue meeting up with my FIO's (Friends in Oz) for many years to come - even if we have to hop to another sim to shake hands. Here we all have to pay by the gig for download in our net deals, so the biggest paying customers are of course gamers, SL uses a lot of gigs per month. Our Education Dept has SL banned at a friends university though, which isn't good, it's an art school of all things.
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Katheryne Helendale
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06-26-2009 01:46
From: Milla Janick At this point, he's the janitor, Bush is the kid who flushed cherry bombs down all the toilets. We'll see how history judges them. This actually made me literally laugh out loud! Mainly because I can see G. W. Bush actually literally DOING that!
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Hiiigh Jinx
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Time to take a United Stand!!
06-26-2009 02:26
Whilst may of us are still digging deep into this announcement and sifting through what is what, its time to do what aussies are famous for.... STANDING UP FOR EACH OTHER......LOOKING OUT FOR EACH OTHER and of course caring about each other. This will effect many different people in may different ways, socially first and foremost, as many varied persons with different RL lives benefit greatly from this medium. People with many disabilities and social issues that can not do the things they are able to in SL will be shattered if this revelation proves to be true. And that is an immense loss. And of course persons with time , and RL money invested in SL that will be all for nothing. Wether you have a small little store and have fun selling a couple of items, or wether you have a well known SL Business providing for you and your families in RL is irrelevant to me (and i fit into one of those above mentioned groups) EVERYONE will be worse off if this course of actionis put into place. EVERYONE. so my theory is step back , have a good hard look at what this is, and fight like hell for ALL aussies that use SL and all the Aussies that may never get the chance. Feel free to contact me Hiiigh Jinx in world to meet up and chat and join the SAVE SL AUSTRALIA movement. CHeers!!
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06-26-2009 02:52
From: Hiiigh Jinx Whilst may of us are still digging deep into this announcement and sifting through what is what, its time to do what aussies are famous for.... STANDING UP FOR EACH OTHER......LOOKING OUT FOR EACH OTHER and of course caring about each other. This will effect many different people in may different ways, socially first and foremost, as many varied persons with different RL lives benefit greatly from this medium. People with many disabilities and social issues that can not do the things they are able to in SL will be shattered if this revelation proves to be true. And that is an immense loss. And of course persons with time , and RL money invested in SL that will be all for nothing. Wether you have a small little store and have fun selling a couple of items, or wether you have a well known SL Business providing for you and your families in RL is irrelevant to me (and i fit into one of those above mentioned groups) EVERYONE will be worse off if this course of actionis put into place. EVERYONE. so my theory is step back , have a good hard look at what this is, and fight like hell for ALL aussies that use SL and all the Aussies that may never get the chance. Feel free to contact me Hiiigh Jinx in world to meet up and chat and join the SAVE SL AUSTRALIA movement. CHeers!! As Windsweptgold suggested in post 37, people should be emailing in a polite and professional manner about the good things SL is and what it brings to many people, disabled and otherwise. Yep sex is a big thing in SL but we are all over 18 and as such we all know or should know what we want to or not want to see. But SL is not all about sex and its that message that needs to be got across. Even invite your members of parliament for a guided tour of SL and show them the diversity of culture here as I am sure most don't understand SL at all 
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06-26-2009 02:58
From: Lewis Luminos crazy conspiracy theory occurred to me this morning - that Linden Lab knew about this plan a while ago, and Zindra is an attempt to compromise with the Aussie government. Maybe a way of letting Aus users stay but preventing them access to the Adult continent.
That doesn't sound at all crazy to me. As well as trying to attract more educational and business users, one of the things M has talked about (metanomics interview IIRC) is increasing SL's international user base (I think China was mentioned at one point, but I may have got that wrong). The adult changes may not be to do with Australia in particular, but filtering by country is probably fairly high on the agenda. This site is good for a general overview of what is being "filtered" where ... http://opennet.net/
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06-26-2009 03:05
A petition out to sign against this policy: http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet/442an Australian site From: someone The Federal Government is planning to force all Australian servers to filter internet traffic and block any material the Government deems ‘inappropriate’. Under the plan, the Government can add any ‘unwanted’ site to a secret blacklist.
Testing has already begun on systems that will slow our internet by up to 87%, make it more expensive, miss the vast majority of inappropriate content and accidentally block up to 1 in 12 legitimate sites. Our children deserve better protection - and that won't be achieved by wasting millions on this deeply flawed system.
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Conifer Dada
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06-26-2009 03:09
I heard about this proposed ban while I was in-world this morning.
As a non-Australian, I've always thought of Australia as about the most liberal country in the world.
So it's quite shocking that to hear that the Aus government is planning to ban Second Life.
The encouraging thing is that the proposal is a blanket ban on adult online games, because that would cause a much bigger protest than just a ban on SL.
I'm British, and to me, if this can happen in Australia, of all places, then it could happen anywhere.
In principle, a national filtering system is OK, but it's where the threshold is set that counts. There is stuff on the net that nobody should be able to access and which shouldn't be there in the first place, but SL is harmless fun.
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Ian Nider
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06-26-2009 03:13
From: Conifer Dada I heard about this proposed ban while I was in-world this morning.
As a non-Australian, I've always thought of Australia as about the most liberal country in the world.
So it's quite shocking that to hear that the Aus government is planning to ban Second Life.
The encouraging thing is that the proposal is a blanket ban on adult online games, because that would cause a much bigger protest than just a ban on SL.
I'm British, and to me, if this can happen in Australia, of all places, then it could happen anywhere. We are very relaxed here it's true, it's also true that adult games will be costly for the net companies to loose, Aussies pay by the gig and the big net accounts are those of the gamers. I doubt it will happen, nor the net filter.
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Sling Trebuchet
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06-26-2009 03:14
The Aussies are a bunch of hypocritical perverts. Did you ever hear their national anthem? "Tie me kangaroo down, Sport" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D-LmRNdQiQFilthy! And at 1:50 into the thing.... "Play your Didgeridoo" It's very, very graphic.
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-26-2009 04:28
From: Sling Trebuchet The Aussies are a bunch of hypocritical perverts ... "Down came the troopers, one, two, three. 'Where's that jolly jumbuck you've got in your tuckerbag?'" Sounds to me like Saturday night in the barracks all over again. Shockin.
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MissMissy Moonbeam
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06-26-2009 04:32
From: Katheryne Helendale This actually made me literally laugh out loud! Mainly because I can see G. W. Bush actually literally DOING that! Um, Katheryne? You do realize that G.W. Bush is no longer president, right?
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06-26-2009 07:01
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Lear Cale
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06-26-2009 07:19
From: Conifer Dada As a non-Australian, I've always thought of Australia as about the most liberal country in the world. I haven't been there since 1986, but my impression then was a liberal country with a lot of conservative citizens. Just as the US is a conservative country with a lot of liberal citizens. At the time, it seemed more sexist and racist compared to the US, comparing similar demographic areas (e.g., big cities, small towns, etc.) But I do think it's amusing that SL would be banned in a country where anyone can go to the beach and see naked people. Of course, that's biased by my biased upbringing in the US, where nudity is considered profane. In Australia, it was easy to spot the US visitors. We were the ones gawking at the exposed parts.
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Lindal Kidd
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06-26-2009 07:23
From: Milla Janick Not really, he's stuck with cleaning up messes that should have either been finished five years ago, or we shouldn't be facing at all. At this point, he's the janitor, Bush is the kid who flushed cherry bombs down all the toilets. We'll see how history judges them. I'm sorry, Milla, but I don't agree at all. I'm with Chris and Brenda: ALL politicians are scum. Yes, I'm a Republican...but it makes no sense to argue about whose scum is scummier, because mine are scum too. But Obama/Pelosi/Clinton/Biden scare the stuffing out of me. They don't understand the first thing about economics, or science, or medicine, or diplomacy. Most of all, they have no conception that actions have consequences. All they understand is power. It's going to come down to fight or flee. Right now, I'm leaning toward "flee", if the Resident Geek and I can figure out someplace to flee TO. The whole bloody globe seems infested with this Government Virus.
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06-26-2009 07:24
None of the ISPs are behind this, and the biggest ISP in the test roll-out has pulled out of the test, so there's little likelihood of the Great Firewall of Australia being implemented.
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Milla Janick
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06-26-2009 07:35
From: Lindal Kidd But Obama/Pelosi/Clinton/Biden scare the stuffing out of me. They don't understand the first thing about economics, or science, or medicine, or diplomacy. Most of all, they have no conception that actions have consequences. All they understand is power. That sounds familiar.
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Handy Skytower
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06-26-2009 07:39
From: Brenda Connolly He's been the Janitor for the past several years, along with the rest of his party who controlled Congress. Niether side can point fingers at the other on this. They are all responsible, going back to Slick Willie, who stuffed used tampons down the toilet before GW pulled the handle. They are all to blame, every single one of them. Oh please Brenda, don't stop at Clinton go back to the rights hero Ronald Regan, he's the real cause behind the economic troubles, they don't call him the Anti-Regulation president for nothing. And its amazing to me how quickly the right forgets the economic times of the 90's or find ways of explaining it away as if it were irrelevant. Also don't forget that 3 years ago when the dems took over congress they did so with a 1 person lead and the republicans fought every single measure the dems tried to do! It was the republicans that ensured the democratically lead congress was unable to accomplish anything and now they cry about how the dems have had 3 years and have done nothing. I call shenanigans! Also, the only people screaming about the healthcare initiative are those WITH healthcare! and the Republicans are ONCE AGAIN misrepresenting his plan by screaming that he's going to take away your healthcare. Blatant lies. But thats par for the course for the Republican Party for the past 25 years. Obama has been in the Whitehouse for 6 months, give him some time people. Handy (sorry for the rant I'm just sick to death of the rights hypocrisy)
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06-26-2009 07:48
From: Handy Skytower
But thats par for the course for the Republican Party for the past 25 years.
Obama has been in the Whitehouse for 6 months, give him some time people.
Handy
(sorry for the rant I'm just sick to death of the rights hypocrisy)
Don't stop with Reagan, you better look farther back to Johnson's "Great Society" and FDR's "New Deal".
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06-26-2009 07:51
It's all been going to hell since Andrew Jackson.
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Handy Skytower
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06-26-2009 07:52
From: Lindal Kidd But Obama/Pelosi/Clinton/Biden scare the stuffing out of me. They don't understand the first thing about economics, or science, or medicine, or diplomacy. Most of all, they have no conception that actions have consequences. All they understand is power.
LMAO this is one of the funniest things I've heard someone say in a LONG time! Republicans are the ones who don't get any of the things you cited above. GWB screwed the economy and squandered the surplus (before 9/11 by the way not after) and created the largest deficit in the history of America GWB is the one who did NOT protect America and let us be attacked GWB is the one who refused to fund science projects but threw money at his religious friends GWB is the one who blew Americas diplomacy out the window GWB is the one who NEVER understood that actions have consequences GWB/Cheney/Rumsfeld/and the rest are the ones who ONLY cared about power. Get real Handy
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06-26-2009 07:52
From: Argent Stonecutter It's all been going to hell since Andrew Jackson. Good point.
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Ian Nider
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06-26-2009 07:55
From: Lear Cale I haven't been there since 1986, but my impression then was a liberal country with a lot of conservative citizens.
That's true in a way, we're more a religion free kind of place, conservative comes from a different POV here. Anyway, as for the roos and the sheep... Q. Why do New Zealanders bonk their sheep on cliff tops?
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06-26-2009 07:57
telstra own every wire in australia and have set up the bigpond thingo in sl, so i am sure they see a value here. i havent heard a single person support this, but that doesnt mean it cannot happen. not that long ago harradine pushed through laws that outlawed pornographic content hosted on australian hardware. the australian government was unapologetic when banning gta3 due in most part to the fact a player could pay a prostitute, shag her, then beat her to death to take back the money (meanwhile the americans were upset that there was a 'nude patch'). while australia without doubt is more willing to censor things than the europeans or the americans, i think violent content is what attracts their scrutiny. the australian capitol is the de facto porn capital, and there are countless xxx stores and brothels all over melbourne. sex is way more open here than people may realise, particularly australians themselves!
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Nina Stepford
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06-26-2009 08:03
i lived many years in america, there are way more churches. churches for 5,000-10,000 people even! a televangelist can sell out something bigger than the mcg over there. not a lot of people seem christian in the ned flanders kind of way, but man they sure do pack out churches there. in melb in a day i see a mosque, a christian korean church, many catholic schools, and maybe a cathedral in the city (sometimes i work at that cathedral too. its gorgeous). nothing like the carpet of churches in the states. From: Ian Nider That's true in a way, we're more a religion free kind of place, conservative comes from a different POV here.
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Ian Nider
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06-26-2009 08:16
From: Nina Stepford i lived many years in america, there are way more churches. churches for 5,000-10,000 people even! a televangelist can sell out something bigger than the mcg over there. not a lot of people seem christian in the ned flanders kind of way, but man they sure do pack out churches there. in melb in a day i see a mosque, a christian korean church, many catholic schools, and maybe a cathedral in the city (sometimes i work at that cathedral too. its gorgeous). nothing like the carpet of churches in the states. Yeh, it's kind of not a big lifestyle thing here... though you do see all sorts of religious expressions and people are spiritual about the after life or the present life and so forth. I have a mate who bought an old church in country Victoria, it's all really old stacked stone walls and smack bang in the middle of nowhere. I think Harradine who you mentioned only got that ban in from some fluke in the seats in parliament or something.
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