I need old avatars

I agree, respect is earned, not bought, or gained by seniority.

I can think of many occurences where 'older avs' have struck me as not deserving of respect at all.

If you are RPing in a group that thinks *age* is a prerequisite for respect, perhaps you are RPing in the wrong community.

People /still/ hit on my older av. (You can buy her for several thousand USD. She has a starax wand and an attitude even bigger than mine.)

I'll say this one more time - a support ticket is the way to get the official answers you require.

(As for the "people like you" comment... there is seriously /no/ need to get snippy, and anyone who treats people badly for being new isn't worth worrying about.)

I gotta agree. Sounds like a bunch of unlikeable people to me.

I'm still curious on what KIND of roleplay it is if they can't or won't (sounds like too embarrassed) to use their first account for it.

if its for the names that no longer exist this is reasonable, but I will tell you now that there are some very not respected older avatars around that are just as likely to be an issue as a new avatar that is not respected.

Older avatars will come with a huge beware sticker and I would take this into consideration. Please realize that you take the baggage that the older avatar created and they can be famous or infamous. Me I would creat fresh unused avatars that have no bad reputation and go with that honestly. Mine is over a year old and I still get people trying to rip me off etc and harass me who are brand new avatars so the reverse is also true.

If a person driving the avatar has used it for certain purposes age is irrelevant. I would not use anyone elses avatar if they are willing to give it to you I would think there is possibly something wrong with it and anyone no longer using Second Life with an avatar will not be reading this forum.

I just wouldn't take the risk if I were you and yes as a group second lifers have become less trusting of people's motivations when they post such requests. Sorry its not meant as anything except that its an unusual request made and there is a lot of scamming etc going on around.

Anyhow good luck but i would never use someone elses "avatar cast offs" you might be in for a huge surprise and not a pleasant one

Dude, how does that make everyone in the RL whose last name is "Smith" feel? Aren't two guys named Xavier Smith and George Smith two different people? Who CARES what last name they have? Originality is not in the name, it's how your character acts/dresses/looks.

Wow! This whole thread has me curious & confused.

JamesT- people would like to know WHAT & WHY exactly the age of an avatar has to do with RP. What kind of RP?

That depends on what they are doing James. Noobs aren't generally insulted in Second Life unless they are being pushy, obnoxious or hurtful. I have certainly never insulted a new resident. I am a mentor and take new people under my wing. I think you will find your average forum reader to be among those that care most about Second Life and would be the least likely to insult a new resident.

Perhaps, but not always. The one sure way to be taken serious is to behave yourself and treat others with respect.

Here is where you can help us. Why is it important that they stand out? What kind of role play are you going to subject the rest of us to that makes it important that your name stands out in a crowd, and that we are fooled into thinking you are an established and respected resident?

See, this is where it all breaks down. The selection of a name is one of the most personal decisions you will ever make about your avatar. To accept virtually any name, as long as it is old, indicates that these avatars will not be personal to you, that you will not be making an investment, that you have nothing to lose ... that these are throw-away accounts. And it's these types of accounts that do the griefing and scamming in Second Life ... even if that is not your intent James.

If only age prevented the unwanted advance ...

Pretending to be an older, established Resident RP (tm)

As it seems important, be sure to ask if/when you get ahold of a helpful Linden if the origination date of the avatar gets reset when it's transfered. It would suck to go through the process, pay the money and find out they do something like that.

You also *might* be able to get an answer by staking out Linden Village, but support tickets generate an email AND historical site response, which means you'd have something fall back on if you were told it was OK and then someone later decided it wasn't. Being able to cite ticket number xxxx is more verifiable than "Some Linden I ran into said it was fine."

Hmmm, are you Premium? Basic members are only allowed to ask like 4 or 5 questions and I'm pretty sure this one doesn't fall under any of the options. If you're not, try to find a fellow RPer who IS Premium and would be able to explain the issue clearly to submit the ticket.

I might be willing to sell my original made in early 2006 account that I no longer use...just don't come complaining to me when 1 VERY angry female recognizes the name and decides to stalk and orbit you at every turn...

I believe one of the early posts made mention of the concept "inherited drama"?

*cracks up*

Coke thru the nose... gotta love it

JamesT, what you might want to realize, is that the people most likely to read and respond in the forums, are also many of the people who love SL and care about the way it is going. We tend to be very careful of anything that is the least bit questionable. The average person that doesn't care about their AVs aren't likely to be reading these forums either. So you're pretty much barking up the wrong tree. Without giving a legitimate reason why an older AV is needed for RP, you're not going to get an AV here, and will be getting questions as to your motive.
I have at least one older AV I rarely use, but unless you tell me what kind of RP you'd need her for, you aren't even going to get her name. I don't want to find that later she was banned because you used her birthdate to gain unwarranted trust from someone. And seriously, even though I rarely use her, 1000L wouldn't be nearly enough to trust my old AV with someone I don't know and won't say why it would be wanted.

James - I don't know if my perspective will help at all, but SL is like one ginormous RP already. We interact through assumed identities. Yes, some of us create avs that resemble us in RL and some wear RL on their sleeves. But others (like myself) are content to explore, try new things, be expressive in ways that we wouldn't in RL.

I also RP quite a bit in SL. While I don't know (and don't care) who these people are in RL, I *do* care that they are competent in SL. The kind of RP you seem to be suggesting adds another level of anonymity to an already anonymous system.

Now here's the problem - why not just go to a SIM you've never gone to and simply interact with the people there? Is it because you want to RP? Fine - but then you lose the anonymity that came with the purchase of the old avie to begin with.

Unless of course you intend these to be group avies, with a password available to anyone in the group. That *may* violate the TOS (I honestly don't know).

Seriously, the group I RP with has a few alts scattered about and it took me quite a while to figure out who they were (although I knew that they were alts because they knew where to RP, just as your old avies will know where to RP, and the rules). Most I only figured out after they themselves told me.

Seriously - I'm having trouble figuring out how this will benefit your RP at all. As many have said - it's the action that makes the av, not the date (or the name)

is it a specific last name your looking for? thats the only real reason i could think of, unless your hoping to get a lot of old avatar accounts and resell them or something.

As far as RP is concerened I have an Avatar alt I opened last week for such purposes and she gets all the respect she needs, DOB has nothing to do with it

just add a note to your profile " old player, new Avatar "

this whole request does strike me as odd though......

Now on another note, If anyone has some old skins and shapes they would like to tranfer to me, i would love to have them. I collect them. that would help my role play. but only of they where made before today.....

I don't have what you want, but if I did you wouldn't get it , based on your answers here so far. You pile vague generalities on top of one another and never answer the questions. Avaters are very personal to people. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean you don't care about it. Even if Linden says you can do it, I don't see you getting much help unless you are a bit more forthcoming.

trading an av off to this guy would feel like selling my daughter into sexual slavery.
it would feel quite icky.

Nina, I think you want the Gor Thread...a couple of floors up.

Could be a rogue "police department" group that wants to populate it's ranks with people of status because people in the sandbox keep telling them "why do us noobs have to listen to you noobs?" If only James would just tell us ...

If i am to take the OP's position at face value, which i'm afraid i don't, he is trying to use deception, an inherently disresepctful act, to buy respect? I love the smell of irony in the afternoon.

The 'JamesT' make me think it's related to Star Trek...flimsy evidence, I know, but true nonetheless.

I'd like to borrow all of your avs so I can set them up into RP sits and do unspeakable things to them.

Those unspeakable things that we do not speak of cause I dont really want you to know what they are...

Not dirty unspeakable things.. but freaky ones... Like dress you all up as pigs and do a Charlottes Web recreate... or um... all in pink jackets, poodle skirts and pretend you're all singing Greaselightenin...

All while taking very damning photographic evidence and cackling wildly since I only paid you 1kL for the right to make your avi do the chicken dance in public... naked... while wearing a newbie penis on your forehead...

yeah.. cough em up people!

Or Fight Club! It could be Fight Club!

"The first rule of fight club is...you do not talk about fight club."

Eggzakleeeeeeeeee