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2k Suisei
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05-23-2007 14:06
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Sensual Casanova
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Join date: 28 Feb 2004
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05-23-2007 14:11
Dito Persephone, Thats the point im trying to make here .... Lets say thanks for what IS here .... everyone needs a little encouragement.. and yes we cant say that LL is without error or problems ... BUT for the most part ... its here .. I just cant believe the negativity that goes on. IF and i mean a BIG if... all that the forums are gonna be is ME ME ME ME ME ME... and complaining ... i would hate it .. Yes ive made posts about different things i care about .. age play etc but PLEASE lets keep this thread a possitive one.. becasue it would make a bloody nice change. Marty, I am sure LL appreciate your efforts, but you have not been in SL too long, and maybe you don't understand the frustration of many residents... Sure... SL is frickin awesome, no denying that, but the level of support and customer service LL gives to it's residents totally sucks, and until I see a change in that, I feel no need to thank them, many residents in SL are doing the jobs of Lindens without pay, without recognition... those are the ones you should be thanking for now.  _____________________
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Marty Starbrook
NOW MADE WITH COCO
Join date: 10 Dec 2006
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05-23-2007 14:17
I cant argue your points there Sensual ...
Yes ive only been here 6 months ..., which is a rarety in itself by most standards thesedays here *lol* BUT ... you are correct as ive said recently .... the customer service is poor .... , things like the grid being policed by its own residents etc .... all absolutely fair comments. Unfortunately I wasnt an early adopter ..... but i AM a very old chatter in use terms.. i dont know the "old days" ... i cant even suggest what way to go forward .... but i KNOW i love SL .... i enjoy it I signed the open letter project a I to beliee that these things ... both software and service SHOULD be fixed ... but I cant take away from the tech .... and the community ... at least the little bit of the grid im in Marty |
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Valentino Tendaze
Eternal Optimist
Join date: 9 Jan 2007
Posts: 279
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05-23-2007 15:08
I agree with the sentiment of the OP. Hats off to Philip Rosedale and Linden Lab for being so ambitious and visionary... Seconded, thirded and fourth-ed!! I just got back in from RL and was exceedingly pleased to see your positive thread, Marty _____________________
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lilly Margetts
B'elf Baby Baron
Join date: 8 Apr 2006
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05-23-2007 15:33
This is not a valid question,this Thread should be locked.there are so many forums for this kind of convo, seriously give it up
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Oryx Tempel
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05-23-2007 15:46
I just wish people would use proper capitalization and punctuation. It's hard to take someone seriously when they can't even be bothered to type a dern apostrophe.
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
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05-23-2007 15:53
I just wish people would use proper capitalization and punctuation. It's hard to take someone seriously when they can't even be bothered to type a dern apostrophe. There's no Z in Capitalisation  |
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Peggy Paperdoll
A Brat
Join date: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 4,383
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05-23-2007 16:55
There's no Z in Capitalisation Are you sure? I think you jumped before looking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization |
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Dnate Mars
Lost
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05-23-2007 17:27
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Peggy Paperdoll
A Brat
Join date: 15 Apr 2006
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05-23-2007 17:41
I believe you referrenced the same URL I did. capitalization is spelled with a "z" in the United States (and could be spelled with a "z" in the UK..though not really accepted). My point was that a poster was correcting someone's spelling when that person he/she was correcting had not misspelled the word. "Capitalization" and "capitalisation" both are correct. |
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TC Bing
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Join date: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 50
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05-23-2007 18:30
Theres always a thousand messages on here about how Second life isnt what WE want or how WE would like the place to be ... but very rarely do we say thank you for the small mercies that are placed upon us. In my real life job ... im an IT systems manager and have to support multiple servers of various different configurations and locations, I code in C++, Java and Kix and have a very large user base. Linden Labs "attempt" to have Second Life running on multiple different platforms with multiple graphics card variations. There are users with a basic laptop with 256 mb ram and on board graphics to the PC "enthusiast" with high level everything.... Nor does the Lindens exclude the Mac users or even the linux community with even Solaris being developed. To the MOST part ... it works, the same argument has been used between Macs and PC's for years ... Most say MS is rubbish ... and MAC is king ... but just like SL , Microsoft give you an OS thats designed to accept any old crap that you have as hardware. MAC have everything hand picked from the cables to the screen by apple themselves who then design an operating system around it for maximum compatability. If you walk into a PC store and pick up a game and it says.. Minimum spec 2ghz P4 2 GB of Ram 512 MB Graphics card 300 MB hard drive space and you didnt have that you wouldnt try ...... right ??? So we have a world that we can design our our little part of the virtual universe, a place where we can build our own goods to sell and make REAL WORLD money if we are good enough and maybe even sell if its NOT that good enough. We can overcome the restrictions that we might have if we dont fit into what is the "normal" social stereo types. We can even live out some fantasies..... ranging from Gorean.... to furry.... to being a club owner. Yes like EVERY society we have the people that we wouldnt like in our real lives depending on what you personally find distastefull but for the MOST part religious, cultural, ethnic origin and social status are ALL what YOU want to be accepted as .. not what other depict. There are many that have said that SL is "flakey" well that unfortunately is the truth ... but ... would you berate a baby for not being able to walk .... a child for finding thier limits as to what is right and wrong .... or even a teenager if they dont comply or understand WHY they cant go out drinking till 3am or drive a car. Second life is moving ...constantly in a state of flux, you could say that its a constant beta version, with new ideas...technology..opportunities being delivered with each new release. I certainly dont know what the new release will give us ... with sculties etc .... but what I DO know is that the REASOn why SL has a large turn arround of users is becasue that people come on and expect something that SL isnt ... Its not the answer to all your personal issues .... as they follow you where ever you are. Its not easy money ..... becasue skill takes time and learning, something that many arnt prepared to do. Its NOT a private club for the elitists or early adopters. Certainly the Lindens arnt your personal friends who you can call on for a little bit of "muscle" when things get out of hand. We all want that we are allowed to do what WE want...WHEN we want it ... but dont want others to do what THEY want when THEY want it. Your World ...Your Imagination Infers that the Lindens arnt going to give you a "sony approved" world where you buy their products....... the Lindens are ACTUALLY saying ... we will give YOU the ability to create YOUR world. Sometimes YOUR world might be something thats illegal... and SL isnt a hiding place ... as the law IS the law everywhere ...regardless of each countries interpretation of that Law ..... I hear many times that Linden Labs is American so american law applies. Unfortunately Linden Labs is now international and has an international userbase, It doesnt matter wether its Europe, USA or Australia (just examples) Tolerence of others cultures, societies and beliefs are paramount to what gives us freedom in the REAL world. We ALL know that there are teenagers in the Main Grid... in this day and age 15 IS pretty much an adult these days, I agree Mature content is just that.... but I dont believe that MSN has age limits .... it expects YOU to know what is appropriate with a minor and even then ... what we call a minor is down to each countries depiction. Here in the UK .... if your 16 your well on the way to adult hood ..... 18 is pretty much adult. In the US different laws apply. Maybe the way to go is to lower those walls ..... allow the teens in the Main grid and create more PG areas and less Mature areas. Personally..... I have land in both Mature and PG sims and none of my content is Mature rated. With age verification we could stop the younger users pretending to be older and restrict the mature areas to the same criteria as the internet ..... as many call SL Web 3.0 should we now start to treat SL as such and allow the vast differences of RL to come together .... SL isnt a Eutopia ..... nor does it claim to be .... SL is a thousand servers whiring away in a couple of datacenters ..... what makes SL is YOU ... the users ... If its laggy ....... look at whats around you, if its full of Adds, then maybe its server load ... if its a club with a hundred lights and 50 people all running dance scripts ... then thats a load, do we say ... " hey I want to be here" or do we sit and complain that a "young" virtual world that pioneers the format is having difficulties and we will struggle through. We expect that everything should run EXACTLY as we want WHEN we want ... unfortuntely life isnt like that ...second or otherwise... land is expensive .... clothes dont always make us look thin or sexy, we dont always get a bit of "afternoon delight". What we get is aplce we can meet other people in what is essentially a white sheet of paper ... like our children ... we come into SL with nothing but the shirts on our backs .. we make the world around us and our world influences others. Look at the Hogwards sim ...... look at a LOT of the gorean sims I say ..... Thank you Linden Labs. For creating the format that WE can make how we like ... allowing the flexability for us to depect how that world looks ...feels and interacts with those around us. Giving us the ability to allow people with limited PC abilities to still interact and explore thier own creativity.. creating a forum that allows us to voice our opinions .. good or bad. Remember SL is massive .... and continues to grow... Land isnt in short supply any more.. of course LL want you to have large tier fees .... but thats the cost of Second Life, Land Barons will be looking to offload expensive tier fees for land that is lowering in price daily. The future is in content.... and the content is YOU... YOU are Second Life...... You are the Future of Second Life..... Now wheres that bloody update .... its 20.30 UK allready *lol* Even so, people are entitled to their reasonable expectation of an enjoyable gaming experience. I personally am impressed with the feature which allows a user to cross from server (sim) to server (sim). That is something I would like to see in other multiplayer games. |
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yeeck Brickworks
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Join date: 29 Oct 2006
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05-23-2007 18:33
well done,,, will keep supporting people like you and Linden to make SL a better place. Thankssssssssss
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Aleister Montgomery
Minding the gap
Join date: 30 Apr 2006
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05-23-2007 18:47
Even so, people are entitled to their reasonable expectation of an enjoyable gaming experience. I personally am impressed with the feature which allows a user to cross from server (sim) to server (sim). That is something I would like to see in other multiplayer games. Ehm... every MMORPG runs on a whole server farm. I don't mean the different "servers" that people can select from before they create a character; each of those "servers" is a whole server cluster, and each of the machines within this cluster hosts only a small region of the game world. Be it EQ, WoW, Vanguard or whatever... you have "sim crossings" in all of these games. EQ 1 displayed loading screens when crossing between "zones" (servers). Most newer MMORPGs manage to handle the crossover fluidly and almost unnoticeable, much better than SL (although I admit that SL has more data to transfer, due to a large inventory, scripts running in attachments etc.). |
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Marty Starbrook
NOW MADE WITH COCO
Join date: 10 Dec 2006
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05-24-2007 00:50
Im suprised at the various different responses to my original post.
I think forums SHOULD be about citisism.... im certainly prepared for peoples views. The main problem I have is that I am tired of people who say that threads like this should be locked..... or that SL is crap etc etc. For ever ONE possitive thread , there are literally hundreds of "Death to the lindens" threads. I see many people in "resident answers" who appear angry .. bitter and have a constant sour taste in thier mouths. This can either be that they have personally suffered at the hands of SL OR they are particular nasty people who enjoy causing distress to other people i.e Forum griefers. If people argue thier case in a constructive manor then they are aguing thier point... If people just stamp thier feet and throw obcenities or give the "cup is half empty" attitude then its a real shame. I feel that I can comment on the technical issues BECASUE im experienced in the same field and that im not just sat as an end user whos computer is the used only for SL or Word. I feel that the variety of end users that SL has is what makes it special...... but I hope that the people who troll the forums looking for arguments are the same people who go to SL to "fix" there personality issues. You can always make a complaint WITHOUT appearing to be a TOTAL nob.... you can coment with reason ..... examples .... fact... logic, you cant argue that " I want SL to be fixed as I cant run 10 ilegal alts all camping on a P3 with a 64 mb 6 year old graphics card" Becasue THAT is unreasonable. If you have issues like missing inventory...... The lindens say that its a virtual item and therefor doesnt really exist, thats sort of true... remember you havnt paid the Lindens for your item even if it IS thier system that got "borked". I know that as a service provider they have a duty to look after the customer ..YOU If you lost your land to a bot........ If you sell your land for free .... and somebody buys it ??? what can I say ... it was a mistake but sometimes mistakes are expensive sometimes we win from it ...sometimes we loose. We could create a whole list of issues that we would like fixed.... but in end would you rather the lindens shut down second life for 3 weeks while they fixed all the problems or would you like them to have rolling updates, becasue somethings just take longer. I know this thread will always attract people who JUST want to flame... and absolutely that IS thier right to do so.. so please flame away but I personally am happy that the Lindens are always attmepting to better the system while tweeking the issues that are there. Marty |
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Broken Xeno
~Fething Alt~
Join date: 9 Mar 2007
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05-24-2007 01:08
I agree with the original post.
A few weeks ago I happened into Ahern Welcome Area, where Vektor Linden was, checking framerates. A certain individual began harassing him, telling him to fix SL, and just generally giving him bad attitude. Most of the Welcome Area began griefing the Linden on top of it, but I took the time to IM him and tell him that I appreciated his work. Before someone says "You haven't been here long" - I've been here long enough. I was here before flexi and light, and I was here before a lot of the serious problems started cropping up. Customer Service may not be where people want it to be, and the game does have quite a few problems. And I know from the outside looking in, it looks like they ignore a lot of the problems, but we're talking about a lot of code, a lot of players, and just a lot of game. It was said somewhere in this thread that nothing has been done like this before, and that is, for the most part, very true. Second Life is very original in a lot of respects, and so it has a lot of unique problems. Lindens are, at the end of the day, only human. People with lives and families. If they weren't here, Second Life wouldn't be here either. Angry over the issues or not, at least Second Life is here. You could, at the very least, say "Thank you for making this game that I play." Because, after all, you are on Second Life. You could go find something else to do if you really wanted to. _____________________
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Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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05-24-2007 01:09
My sentiments exactly with OP. SL is still quite "new". In 5-10 years it'll be a well seasoned veteran. ALL online activities have growing pains. Anyone remember the Internet of 1994-95? LOL!!! Things sure have changed from the days of BBS.
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Marty Starbrook
NOW MADE WITH COCO
Join date: 10 Dec 2006
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05-24-2007 02:04
I remember BBS and accoustic couplers of yesteryear ...anybody ever watch war games for an example.
I also remember the hundreds of chatrooms ..... and of course i remember Hotmail BEOFRE it was owned by microsoft ...... everybody used ICQ not MSN, and in general most folk were who they said they were.... Theres wasnt any Torrents ... or Emule, allthough ASCII porn wasnt much to write home about *lol* |
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TC Bing
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Join date: 14 Apr 2007
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05-24-2007 02:28
Ehm... every MMORPG runs on a whole server farm. I don't mean the different "servers" that people can select from before they create a character; each of those "servers" is a whole server cluster, and each of the machines within this cluster hosts only a small region of the game world. Be it EQ, WoW, Vanguard or whatever... you have "sim crossings" in all of these games. EQ 1 displayed loading screens when crossing between "zones" (servers). Most newer MMORPGs manage to handle the crossover fluidly and almost unnoticeable, much better than SL (although I admit that SL has more data to transfer, due to a large inventory, scripts running in attachments etc.). I believe you are talking about maps/levels, not physically separate servers. |
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bilbo99 Emu
Garrett's No.1 fan
Join date: 27 Oct 2006
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05-24-2007 03:47
+ ++ (very positive) ____________ BTW & FYI .... spelling ... Inspector Morse would spell capitalization with a 'z'  |
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Bodger Brooks
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Join date: 22 Jan 2007
Posts: 73
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05-24-2007 05:05
I agree with the sentiments in the original post. There is a lot of LL bashing that takes place in the forums. I am even newer, but find the product to be something that engages me and makes me come back for more. Many of the recent bugs such as friends lists not working or the group IMs being wonky were very minor and short lived frustrations. Such bugs seem to be blown out of all proportion, in my opinion.
The threads in the forum seem to be often driven by gossip and emotion, that is discussed as fact. This must make the forum a fairly redundant place for LL to find relevant feedback on how SL is developing and why it now takes initiatives like Project Open Letter for them to listen. Finally…. This is not a valid question,this Thread should be locked.there are so many forums for this kind of convo, seriously give it up The first positive thread in a while and someone decides it should be locked? You are ignoring the rights of people, who posted before and after you, to express their feelings towards LL in a positive way. If you do not like the thread, stop reading it, but there is no need to impose your views upon the rest of us and call for this thread to be locked. It would be ironic however for Strife or LL to lock a positive thread. |
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ForestMist Skjellerup
Sculptor
Join date: 6 Dec 2006
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05-24-2007 07:04
I raise my morning coffee in salute to the Lindens.
A virtual reality world like SL is an idea whose time has come, and I'm glad the Lindens are the ones who stepped up to be first* to bring it to us. Our vision bearers, if you will. Thank you, Lindens! Thanks for not being big profit mongers! It could so easily have gone that way. Love, Fo * Edit: Well, first may not be entirely correct. It's the first I was aware of, don't know much about There and other worlds. No dissing meant to them. |
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bilbo99 Emu
Garrett's No.1 fan
Join date: 27 Oct 2006
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05-24-2007 07:50
Yep, I think we need a 'Hug-a-Linden' Day!
Hey, let's all grab one tonight when we go in-world ... I bagsee Robin _____________________
Be polite .. that newbie could be your next ex-partner.
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Bodger Brooks
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Join date: 22 Jan 2007
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05-24-2007 08:07
I bagsee Robin As long as your not wearing any Gothic Lollita* *Do Hobbits ever wear gothic lollita? For another thread I suppose. Probably your “about hobbits” thread |
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bilbo99 Emu
Garrett's No.1 fan
Join date: 27 Oct 2006
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05-24-2007 08:21
As long as your not wearing any Gothic Lollita* *Do Hobbits ever wear gothic lollita? For another thread I suppose. Probably your “about hobbits” thread Another forum ...  _____________________
Be polite .. that newbie could be your next ex-partner.
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Latonia Lambert
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Join date: 24 Jul 2004
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05-24-2007 09:17
Of course I love SL or wouldn't have stayed for close to 3 years. But:
LL have degraded resident help to the point where there is no help. I know there are nearly 6m in world but they should have thought about that when they opened the floodgates. Same goes for age verification - they should have put something in place before the influx of all the unverified avs. Personally I would prefer LL to spend their time solely on fixing all of the bugs still in world. Instead they bring out new toys like scripties which only about 0.01 percent of the population will have the abilityand skill to create. They are pretty and no doubt we be astounded to see what the 0.01 percent can make. They seem to be in awe of the bot creators (Electric sheep etc) while the vast majority of those of us who are aware of it, hate it. So kudos to LL for creating SL. I hope it's around for many years to come. |
