Land Griefing

Miss "my-name-rhymes-with-Hyacinth-Bouquet" has a very simple mindset: it's called 'get something for nothing'. She started out with approximately 1/4 of the sim Spinach and promptly filled her ghastly eyesore with 40 zombie campers 24/7 rendering the sim inaccessible to tier-paying residents who own land in Spinach. Her little empire has since spread like a cancer to the neighbouring sims. If you're familiar with Spinach it has some of the most breath-taking land on the top of the Northern Continent mountain ridge. Land that some luckless residents must have paid a pretty penny for when it came on the market. Land that is worthless now.

I doubt if 'Ms Bouquet' would ever pay for a full sim outright as she wouldn't have any neighbours to rip off. I like Alderelle's suggestion: chop your land up into an ad farm... it has a certain ring of poetic justice to it.

That's horrible... I mean, I realized she had done this everywhere she was, but damn. She's insanely greedy, and I'd like to mention quite rude and illiterate. But that's crafty, and underhanded.

But my girl is frustrated, and tired. I think in the end we may just try to sell it to her. I wont just "give it to her" for nothing though. I refuse to pay less than we did for it. But reasoning with this 'woman' Bouquet, lol, is next to impossible.

hmh... I believe that 'Mrs. Bucket' can just go *insert WWE-style crotch-chop motion here*

So... if those ad farmers extort money out of their neighbours by setting their 16 m² parcels for purchase at L$10.000+ or maybe not even at all and prove themselves inaccessible it must be definitely a monkey wrench in any expansion plan, especially if she has to deal with 32 people at most instead of just one. From time to time even the worst blights on the SL community may prove useful...

If you chop up the 512 m² and put all the little parcels for sale at once she MUST act quickly or risk someone else snatching them up. And even just some 16 m² parcels taken away out of the grid would render the whole lot useless.

Think of it in the way every 16m block they spam in her sim is one they don't do in other peoples. Don't sell them all the same day of course let different players landbots get a chew at it buying alternative squares to make their life hard too.
Hmm, did we miss any deserving parties?

...now it's not just two birds to kill with a stone but a whole flock of them it seems...?

Problem solved

She's a casino owner? ROFL

I wonder how mutch her land is selling for now?

I want a follow up post for this glorious and wonderful story now that casinos have been banned

Better yet, chop it into 16 Square meter sections and Sell every second section ONLY (To friends and supporters would be best).

Angel.

I can't log into SL as my net at home is gone, since I'm moving, but I fully intend on going to check out Highflyer and Spinach and Travis just as soon as I can log into SL. I'm very curious to see how much of her property still stands >

Well, I just was in Spinach, what once was a beautiful Mountain Range is now all clutter.

It's a shame people in SL care less about the beauty of a Sim. Maybe one day we will have sims that have Terraform disabled.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, no Casino in Sight.

Keeping the land because it was free? I didnt realize LL gives away 512's with new accounts.


AR's are pretty much ignored, that will do nothing but get you a form letter email in a month or so saying the problem was resolved (weather it was or not).




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Bad move.. let me explain.

Number one, look at your situation, you own a piece of land next to someone who runs a huge casino. What in the heck would possess you to buy such a lot to build on. Do you like hearing all that racket? If not, then why would you consider buying the lot? That casino was always full of people, so that sim was ALWAYS laggy.

Number two, you're in a situation where someone wants the land you own. One cannot be in a better position. You didnt mention the size of your lot, but, it doesnt matter. All you simply needed to do was set you land for sale for 250,000 L's, send her an IM saying it was for sale, and sit back and watch for the blue "cha-ching" window. You were in a position to make alot of money. I lay awake at night dreaming about someone with alot of money (and believe me she does) wanting my land. It's not about being "bullied" to sell, it's about being smart, and knowing when you're in a good position. Now that casinos are dead, so is the worth of your land to her, so too bad so sad for you.

I cannot believe people cannot figure out that griefing problems can be fixed by simply moving, and that when someone wants your land, sell it. Find a new spot, buy it, and look at all the extra L's in your account on your new land.

Lastly, if you want a piece of land, consider your surroundings, you were the one who bought the land where you did, so all the casino chatter and lag was YOUR fault for buying there. Then, when she indicated she wanted the lot, you passed on the golden opertunity to cash in on it. Smarten up man.

That doesn't fix this type of griefing problem, it encourages them. It send the message that griefing works.


A classic case of blame the victim.

I don't know what the sim was like when this parcel was purchaed, so perhaps it was a bad choice. But the casino chatter isn't their fault, it's the casino's fault. Don't confuse being at fault with being an inexperienced land buyer.

For one thing, Johan, it looks like Broken bought his land first, so it's highly unlikely he chose to park himself next to a casino.
And I agree with Kidd: Why should we give in to griefers, ebven griefers throwing wads of virtual cash around.
Are you by any chance a (former) casino owner?

Well, technically, yes, I invested 25k into land and casino equipment which I sold after about a week for a 15k profit.. but I've never owned a casino in the sense that you're inplying. But I've never been a full blown casino owner/operator where I worked at it full time. I just developed one, and sold it for a profit, and it was a really small one at that. Also, I dont want to give the impression that the casino owner should have been griefing him. That's totally crazy, and unfortunately difficult to get LL to act against it.

As far as Broken being a newb, well, again, that's his fault... Let me explain why:

If he READ more and acted less, he wouldnt be in that situation. If you read the website about owning land, Linden Lab themselves recomend that you dont buy land right away, but rather learn the ropes first, talked to otheres, understand how everything works, etc. and then make a move. Obviously, Broken's problems highlight why LL themselves promote this. Broken jumped in before he learned how to swim, and that's at the very least partly why he wound up in the situation he was in. Personally I was in world for 2 months before even going premium, and another week or so before I bought my first land.

Why give in to griefers? Lots of reasons:
1. Because "giving in" as you put it does not promote griefing. Griefers grief because they're griefers. They dont see someone running off as a reason to grief more, it's just what they do, and they continue either way, for them, that's "their" game.

2. Because land is plentiful, and why waste your time playing someone else's game (playing the part of griefee) when the solution is SO simple, just sell and move, and at that, you might make a profit selling the land. In real life, yeah, make a stand, RL is different. But SL.. it's different. It's not about protecting your land, it's about improving your SL experience, and simply moving away from a griefer is a quick, simple solution to a problem.

3. And most importantly, in this case, is because this isnt so much a case of running from a griefer as it is to making a tidy profit. Obviously she wanted the land, so set a high price and make a good profit. You can then go buy the same sized lot elsewhere, and be richer for it. That's why. He could have made her pay for his current lot, and his new lot, and put L's in his pocket. How does one loose in that situation? Because in the griefer's eyes you look like a loser who's running away? Pfft.. Buy this lot, buy my next, and put money in my pocket and you can think I'm running all day and night for all I care.

Xeno's fault for being a newb? Who said he (or she) was a newb? Wow, helpful comment.

If I follow your logic, I could be buying and selling and buying land constantly, as I constantly run from griefers.

And making a 'tidy profit' is not everyone's first priority in SL.

Maybe new, maybe not.. either way, one should read the website and heed the advice.

True, making profit isnt everyone's first priority, but everyone wants L's to buy stuff. I'd much rather make a profit on a land sale and move than sit there day after day playing the griefer's target. Also, most griefers who happen onto your land go away when kicked and banned... Owning land next to a land owning griefer is not typical, so just moving generally will cure the problem. It's not like you're going to be doing it all the time.

Okay. I don't own that land anymore, but yes, I purchased it. At the time it did not have a casino around it.

I PAID for it. But yes, it was FREE. In that, I did not pay a monthly upkeep to own it, I merely paid the initial fee for the property, and then paid no tier on it.

A newb? Lovely. I've been playing this game longer than you buddy.

I READ the site about owning land. Read the site and acted less? What did I do to act out of line?? Where did I cross any sort of line? Right.



You're right, buying land is a bad move, period.



What the hell. Did you even read the initial posts? There was no casino there when I purchased the land initially, and if there had been I wouldn't have moved in. But casino or not is beside the point, I've been next to casinos that were owned by far kinder people than that.



That's principle. I didn't WANT to sell my land. I didn't feel like buying new land, because, hmmm, Highflyer had lovely land, with (originally) lovely surroundings, and I had plans for the property. So what, a problem arises, people should just cop out and sell it, thinking "I could turn a profit here." Well it's not always about the money for people. I have money.



Weak. That's weak, seriously weak. That's why people like her own almost three and a half complete sims full of garbage and waste. Because a problem arises and someone said "Meh, I'll make twice what I paid and turn around and buy another property. And then when it happens again because she's stretching through the new sim that I just moved into, I'll pack up and move again, and damn what I've built or what I've done." Copout.



Again, pay better attention. When I first moved in the casino wasn't anywhere near us, and we had plenty of really cool neighbours. It wasn't until later that it sprung up.



Good for you.



Shall I explain why you are the newb for not actually reading yourself?



I've been playing the game for almost two years. I know the ropes. Let's go down the circumstances of my land purchase;

First, a friend of mine was trying to get into the land dealing business. She had this parcel of land in Highflyer that she wanted to give to me. It was a 1024, so basically I'd be paying for half of it monthly. I thought that was pretty cool, but wanted to check it out, so my girlfriend and I went down there to it, and looked around. The area seemed nice, clean, easy-going and generally quaint. So we bought both parcels off of said friend, after talking about it for about 3-4 days. Not only did I know how to swim, but I had mastered the swan dive, backstroke, and even the doggy paddle.



Good for them. This is, in my opinion, a "your damned if you do, damned if you don't," situation. Why? Because she wanted the parcel. She also wanted to piss me off. For her it was a win win situation that I could only win at by pissing her off, which I did, for about two weeks before finally selling the land to her lacky.



Do you know how to roll over too? I have treats if you like. I agree, for some people, that is a great solution. Simply sell the property and run away. Put it out of your mind and focus on having fun, and that's all well and good, but not the point. The point is no one should have to do that, and fuck the griefers for forcing people to do that. It's people like her that make me glad they banned gambling in SL. Landowners should have better defenses against that kind of BS, and I wont bend over and let people like her rape me because they know they can get away with it.



Again, money is not the issue. If money had been the issue, you are right, I would have sold it to her for an atrocious price and pranced away merrily with a wad of Lindens in my virtual pocket. It's about standing up for what is right; I own MY property, she owns her. She's more than welcome to have her casino on her land, or was anyway, I never tried to stand in her way, or force her to move. But as soon as she started pushing me around, the situation changed. It's bullying, and there are far too many people who will simply roll over and let it happen, and people who do that to others should be made accountable for their actions.

To your last post - hear hear! What the hell is this spineless mentality that says money talks and bullies can get away with everything? (I could draw political analogies, but perhaps I should steer clear of that one...) I'm with you buddy - there's a principle here that is infinitely more important than all the Lindens in SL.

So here we have a thread where a self-confessed land speculator and trader urges people to sell when land-griefed by someone who - wants to buy land. And then gets on his high horse about how much smarter and better and un-noobier and - ooh! - profitable it is for you to play the land game the way a land speculator would want a land-owner to play it. The way that makes for turnover and higher posted sale prices and ultimate profit for - land speculators and traders assembling large parcels. Especially ones who are willing (eager?) to land-grief. Guess who's playing whom.

Hey gang, here's our new word for the day. Can you spell H-O-R-S-E-S-H-I-T?

Sic 'em, Broken Xeno.

Yes, I can and right now I can even smell it.