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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
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03-13-2007 09:40
Quote: Originally Posted by Desmond ShangSimulated lynching is over the line - regardless of who is being lynched. From: Tatiana Stuchka What if it's a machinima Western? These are all questions that arise out of the wavering status of reality in SL. Is virtual enaction real enough that you should be responsible and legally liable for what you do with your avatar (or what your avatar does to you)? Is it, conversely, a form of fiction, where you collaborate with other puppeteers to make stories. If so, how are stories accountable? How do we legislate for dramatic context? It is perfectly acceptable for a private company to ban the advertising of virtual sexual ageplay. People are getting het up about freedom here but as far as I can see people are still able to make whatever forms of private theatre they're interested in making. Human fantasy is unruly, context is all and in RL consenting adults have long played with age, infantilism, power relations, dress up etc in the privacy of their homes, however edgy, distasteful or silly one may find that. (What is spanking but a headmaster or nanny punishment fantasy? - and yet it's one of the most common fantasies for both genders in England. That does not mean that 30% or whatever harbour unnatural desires ). I think the privacy principle is an appropriate thing. Consenting adults can do what they wish in private, but please don't make what for all the world looks like very nasty graphical material and display it in the metaverse. Seems fair enough to me, so fair play to LL. Very well said. I have to cede the point; a machanima film of a lynching in a worthy, historical, educational context is valid. The difference of course being: nobody should be able to stage public lynchings on the grid to whip up mobs; that's hate speech. It really is about the difference between public and private domains. As a side note to Marianne: if you or anyone innocently pretending to be a kid is getting griefed just because of your form, by all means, consider my sims a haven. This rule most usually applies to anyone that would bother a furry. But it also covers robots, child av's, dragons, whatever - so long as the avatar isn't clearly griefing the sim by trying to lag it to a stop.
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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03-13-2007 10:16
From: Desmond Shang As a side note to Marianne: if you or anyone innocently pretending to be a kid is getting griefed just because of your form, by all means, consider my sims a haven. This rule most usually applies to anyone that would bother a furry. But it also covers robots, child av's, dragons, whatever - so long as the avatar isn't clearly griefing the sim by trying to lag it to a stop. Thankoo, Desmond. I've been thinking of jes staying on my home property and putting up tapes or someting 'til some of this dies down (if it does). Mari
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
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03-13-2007 13:09
From: Marianne McCann Thankoo, Desmond. I've been thinking of jes staying on my home property and putting up tapes or someting 'til some of this dies down (if it does).
Mari there really is no excuse for people to discriminate against anyone. If they see someone violating the sexual age play rules and are offended they should report it and then go on their way. as for the non sexual age player - Child Roleplayers or whatever is a good name thats seperated from the D/S ageplay connotation - I see no excuse to discrimate agaisnt them at all. I for one willl, like I always have -will assume any child av is not sexually active.
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Jake Reitveld
Emperor of Second Life
Join date: 9 Mar 2005
Posts: 2,690
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03-13-2007 13:32
From: Kathryn Mahoney I'm afraid not, I took those sociology courses over 20 years ago. I no longer own the books. I'd google and see what I can find, but you can do that as well as I--if you just aren't interested in blowing smoke to obscure the real point of the argument. I am interested, genuinely. If you have fact to back up the argument, I want to know. I don't feel any profound need to do it myself, because frankly the age of consent issue is not relevant to the SL discussion.
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Jake Reitveld
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03-13-2007 13:47
From: Colette Meiji You often see adults as out of touch, you did on the teen second life debate also. But really as a parent its less being out of touch and more the weight of a pretty awesome responsibility that cuases us to seem that way.
Parents are hugely out of touch. going way out on a limb, I would say that on the whole, parenting in america is a dead art. We have turned over the moral education of our children to the schools and insitutions, and have, as a culture thrown away parentla responsibility. And the parents who raise the hue and cry about how bad the myspaces are, how bad SL is for thier kids, simply ignore the reality that they do not take responsibility for their children. hey have no idea what kids tody are up against, and rather than get a clue, they would much prefer it if the rest of society simply picked up the slack and raised thier kids for them. its the "OMG they say 'fuck' in that album, lets ban it from walmart" attitude. Its like we need to shut down all of adult society simply to make sure our kids are never exposes to anything that falls outside "leave it to beaver." A real parent doesn't expect everyone else to step lightly around ther kids, a real parent gives thier kids the tools to make responsible decisions. And equips thier kids at 14 to have an understanding of the consequnces of sex. Believing that your kids mde it inot highschool without dealing in som fashoin with sex, or drugs, or smoking, or alchohol, or R rated movies, or internet pron is just sticking your head in the sand.
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Har Fairweather
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03-13-2007 15:21
I'll take issue with your generalization about prents, Jake. There are certainly some parents who are irresponsible like that, but most care about their kids and do the best they can.
But it's different today. Time was it was easier to insulate kids from a lot of bad influences. So lots of people did, and many still try to. But there is too much around. Drugs are everywhere, creeps can get in their cars and go anywhere - and do - and kids are exposed to seamy stuff so many ways that people who are trying to "protect" them from evil influences are basically trying to tell the tide to turn back. You try to minimize the exposure when they're still pre-high school, but the main protection you can give them IMO is to teach them character and values from the git go - and pray a lot.
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Wilhelm Neumann
Runs with Crayons
Join date: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 2,204
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03-13-2007 15:42
From: Jake Reitveld its the "OMG they say 'fuck' in that album, lets ban it from walmart" attitude. Its like we need to shut down all of adult society simply to make sure our kids are never exposes to anything that falls outside "leave it to beaver."
you can teach your kids about the world without having them become rude abusive people. I remember once a kid in my neighbourhood that I was asked to babysit (i was all of maybe what 16? ) spit in my face and swore at me. Now that's kind of unnacceptable in my books not to mention he was like 4 ... what was my reaction to call his parents tell them i refused to babysit their kid till they tought him how to be a human being and asked them to come home immediately as i refused to be treated like that. This was in the 1970's  so anyhow I doubt I would have reacted differently today but you can still make sure your kids are aware without having them take up the behaviour and sensoring them to death. Teaching kids that is okay to swear and do any morally objectionable stuff is never a good thing that is how i come accross some of those intellectual giants that come to my door and every other word out of their mouth is a swear word. I stand there and usualy ask them to repeat the sentance minus all the swear words half the time they can't.. and i close the door and walk away shaking my head. Teaching kids that this morally objectionable stuff exists and how to avoid getting cause up into it and to stay safe is what parents tend to do hehe (err at least where I come from) anything else is irresponsible. Exposing kids to the "evils" of the world and saying this is not the right thing and making them aware its around is different then saying here it is and go have fun with it.. hehe
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Kidd Krasner
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Join date: 1 Jan 2007
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03-14-2007 09:35
From: Jake Reitveld What supreme court decision? I was thinking of the one striking down the Texas sodomy law. The more I think about it, the less relevant I think this is. On the other hand, any US law that sets different ages of consent for opposite-sex sex and same-sex sex is likely to be challenged. This is really tangential, coming out of my own fetish (pardon the pun) for completeness and precision. The main point is simply that for the most part, the age of consent in the US varies between 16 and 18 from state to state, with lots of exceptions.
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