SecondLife on IPad

Maybe 70% of websites use flash, but the vast majority of them don't actually need the flash. I use Flashblock, and for most sites using flash I never click on the little flash bubbles to load the flash features at all.

As I read, Adobe actually offered to do all the work for supporting Flash on iPhone. Apple actively don't want to do it because they know that if they do, all their Apps will be pretty much obsolete in favour of Flash/AIR applications which can be loaded from the web without paying commission to Apple and can run on multiple platforms. There are lots of games on the App Store which wouldn't have sold in competition with Kongregate, for example.

Yep got that impresion too, afterall Ipad is monotasking and the exsample given would be daydreaming anyway because SL does not run on it.

This doesn't make sense. I have a TON of free apps and games on my iPhone, both in the form of web apps (which Apple is totally okay with) and apps downloaded from Apple's store (for which they receive zero commission).

I don't know what Apple's reason is for banning Flash, but competition from free games and apps ain't it. They welcome freebies.

It's not freebies, it's exclusivity of the apps and the platform. Plus, the fact that you need XCode to program for iPhone is selling Macs.

HTML5 is as capable as flash. Except for the pervy webcam support.

Again: The iPhone (and by extension, the iPad) can use web apps.

There is no exclusivity.

There is no need for XCode.

Flash is NOT the only way to make web apps.

Apple has not disabled other common ways of making web apps. Apple has only disabled Flash. Any thing done in Flash could most likely be done in something else (like HTML5), and Apple wouldn't block it.

So it seems pretty clear that Apple's reason for disabling Flash is not that it allows people to have web apps. I don't know what their reason is, but this ain't it.

Correct, I'm not talking about running multiple apps at once.

True, nothing runs on IT since IT is not out there yet. Not sure it's daydreaming, we'll have to see.

It's about money, and the word for why is "proprietary", not "exclusivity". There's nothing exclusive about what apple offers, pc's do all that too. That's why software such as quicktime is sooo readily available for other platforms, but just try to get the equivalent onto one of apples platforms. You'd have better luck trying to give a hickey to a stone. It's no different than microsoft in that it wants to be the parent and controller of all that you see. If it can't then it takes it toys and stomps off home.

Good point. Flash is a proprietary technology. Apple is encouraging people to use open standards like HTML5 instead of the proprietary Flash. No wonder Adobe is pissed.

When you say "try to get the equivalent onto one of apples platforms", what do you mean? I'm on a Mac, and I have absolutely no trouble viewing almost every type of video available (including Flash).


(Just for the record, my argument was not MACS ROOL! YOU ALL SUCKZ! I was only arguing that Apple's banning Flash from the iPhone platform isn't about blocking web apps. They allow web apps using other technologies, so there must be a different reason they are banning Flash. And yes, that reason probably has something to do with money. Most business decisions do.)

You mean, like, say, Windows Media support on Mac OS X?

That's supported, but not from Microsoft. Microsoft dropped WM support on OS X so Apple directs you to "Flip4Mac". Why did Microsoft drop Windows Media on OS X? Because Apple wouldn't put a "trusted media path" in the kernel. So you could use something like Soundflower on OS X to rip "Plays For Sure" protected music.

Apple has this "vision problem". They get these visions of how things should be, and they will carry on a passive-aggressive defense of their vision for decades rather than admit they were wrong. They're *still* dragging their heels on multi-button mice, for example.

The original vision of the iPhone didn't include apps, and they came up with this whole defense of that around "security", and they're not going to back down on that until they're forced. If you don't like that, don't get an iPhone or iPod or iPad. There's plenty of alternatives.

it's easy enough to figure out, how much working ram is there and what is the video capable off, those two will limit the abbilety to run sl more then anything else

To be fair, though, Microsoft became an official distributor of Flip4Mac when they dropped their own OS X efforts for Windows Media.

http://www.telestream.net/company/press/2006-01-10.htm

(I had been using F4M for a while before that, so I didn't even notice this until last year when I upgraded my computer.)

Amen to that, brother!

I actually do a double-take when I hear mention of Apple's mouse problem... and then I glance at my mouse and read "Kensington". I've been using a normal three-button mouse for so long, I keep forgetting that this isn't the default on Macs. As much as I enjoy Apple products in general, I agree that they are stupidly stubborn in some areas.

And although I've argued about WHY Apple is blocking Flash, I certainly won't argue that the lack of Flash isn't a real downer. It isn't a dealbreaker for me, as I don't use it most of the time, but I was hoping for something that could play Hulu. (I'm still waiting to hear more about Netflix/Silverlight. I read an article a couple months ago that sounded like MS has made a server-side solution to allow Silverlight to be delivered through HTML5, but Netflix still doesn't support iPhone streaming.)

That did suck, I'm happy they finally relented by having the app store, restricted though it is.

I would be much happier, of course, if they'd limit their blocking to technical/security reasons. The content censoring and the whole "it duplicates existing functionality and will confuze teh peeplez" thing are repulsive, and they need to stop that crap.

*snort*

If they can deliver Silverlight via HTML 5, then what's the point of Silverlight?

[this is a rhetorical question]

I don't use Silverlight and I won't use Silverlight unless I absolutely need to. I didn't use Flash until I hit a few sites that actually mattered to me that needed it, and I use Flashblock to keep flash from bothering me most of the time. I have Java turned off as well.

If your not already running SL in a Window you should. Shrink the SL window a bit and open a browser window. Now you can see SL and XStreet at the same time (Almost like split screen). Open another window if you want. Arrange so you can see all. Hummm, pretty neat huh?

I often have many windows open at the same time with SL in one of them. You don't need a iPad to do that. Besides I don't think you will ever see a iPad running SL.

HEH! Someone told me the iPad isnt the next Newton. It's more like the Segueway.

Overly hyped. Get everyone all excited. Then drop a turd of a product.

When did we start talking about Windows Vista?

LOL!

But then again, as usual, after the 1st service pack, Vista aint so bad. Only reason I got it was for the Free Windows 7 Upgrade.

The whole Vista Bad thing stems from the same thing as XP had.... people installing it on machines that are too underpowered. Ok, and MS underestimating what the general public had for a PC.

The "security" changes in vista have been particularly inconvenient for me, because they broke a number of user-interface fixes I'd been accustomed to using on 2000 and XP... and because they don't reduce the surface area exposed to remote exploits they didn't actually increase security significantly.

Crappy driver support didn't help either.

Yeah, basically all the major players have good stuff and bad stuff. Aside from their occasional massive failures, it really comes down to a matter of personal preference. My brother-in-law can't figure out why I mess about with Mac and Windows, when any sensible person can see that Linux is vastly superior.

I'm really looking forward to the iPad because it looks like it will fit my specific needs much better than other products. It also looks like it will be an excellent solution for my aging non-techie parents whose computer activities consist of web surfing, email, looking at pictures, and playing simple games.

But I know there's a fine line between awesome and sucktastic. My iPhone is one of my all-time favorite gadgets, but the 1st-gen iPod Touch was the most useless piece of crap I've ever owned. Same goes for my Amazon Kindle (which I have used nearly every day for two years) and the Kindle DX (which is both too big AND too small to be useful for me). I'm hoping the iPad turns out to be one of the awesome ones, but only time will tell.

Run awaaaaaaayyyyyy!!!