Do you ignore ResMods?

Well, Strife is a resmod and given his technical strength I would suggest that ignoring him would be downright silly.

Why does the phrase, "You aren't the boss of me" keep running through my mind?

You don't technicly have to listen to them there, either.

You don't technicly have to listen to a linden.

That doesn't mean they have no authority.

*applauds*

I find myself torn about the treatment of ResMods by other residents.

On one hand I think the ResMods should be treated with all the respect given to any other resident. If you oppose the resmod program then you should work through official channels and leave the ResMods alone.

But here is the rub ... The Lindens haven't opened any official channels to ending the ResMod program! As far as anybody can tell, the ResMod program is here to stay, like it or not. There is no vote, no petition, no organized way to focus all of the anger that builds every day about this program.

This creates an environment RIPE for civil disobedience!

Sadly, like any police force, the ResMods absorb the brunt of the riots while the ones running the show are insulated from the barrage. The lack of a negotiation process to end the ResMod program is a major flaw and THAT is what results in abuse against the Mods.

If the Linden's care about these ResMods, they need to develop a system to redirect all this anger and energy into negotiating with THEM. They could strike some kind of deal "If you get such and such % of regular forum posters to sign a petition we will do such and such..." Unless the Lindens open SOME kind of democratic process to make the populace feel empowered ... then RIOT GEAR will always have to be standard issue equipment for any new ResMod.

The Lindens shouldn't be letting this happen to these ResMods, they are just trying to do the best they can to help.

Weber, there's Civil Disobedience and there are 2 year olds.

On the fence people such as myself end up defending the program when children post the same infantile crap repeatedly. Make your statements, support them, swear appropriately, but don't throw your ass on the ground and pound your fists.

Also, get a slew of the majority who oppose (you are a majority right?) and all apply to become RMs. Then do no modding. If there is such a great majority against the program, the resident pool will have to include you, the dissidents.

Stage lag inducing sit-in for a short period at the start of the roundtable. NOTE: don't ruin the whole thing, just make a point for a few minutes and move on.

Use that damn secondcast thing to keep the message out there.

Carry signs inworld.

Send someone to the LL office.

What is happening is that the full frontal attacks are proving that we are very far from adult behavior and need hall monitors like there is no tomorrow.

Why would I ignore myself? I'm the smartest person I know.

What's a ResMod? Is that those grey boxes that won't go away since the last update? Or the people who walk around as just floating hair pieces and shiny blinky things.

There's been serious modification to the rezzing there, man.

ResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResModResMod

It sounds funny now, like it's not even a real word. ResMod. See?

Weird.

What were you saying, again?

Take the people to task that are responding to the program like "petulant children". Blanket statements don't help. Most have aired their issues in an adult manner.

As usual though, a couple of idiots are starting to stain ANY questioning of the program (with help from folks who like to waggle fingers, as you are doing here Gabe), and that stinks.

99% of the time I agree with you bud, but you're generalizing here.

Lippman, your comments are all valid, and note that I didn't justify anything the rioters are doing. I simply stated that this kind of abuse will always be part of the ResMod job description as long as the Lindens provide no official system to enact change. Hurt/frustrated/angry/ostracized ResMods are intrinsic to this system as long as it remains as it is now.

And I will add, I don't think the Lindens should be exposing Residents to this kind of thing, even if voluntarily.

That was the purpose of creating the resmod program, wasn't it?

I would add that it will continue until they start training them properly.

As it stands now, they are accepted into the program not knowing what they can and can't do, they don't seem to know when and where a thread should be moved - jeez, we've had a couple threads get shuffled around several times in the last couple of days, and it seems that the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing half the time - i.e., RM's not even bothering to read the damned thread to discover that Jeska or other RMs are already involved. Then there's the allowing of new mods to make command decisions, when they are on their first week, "shadowing" an existing RM.

These are NOT critiques of any individual RM. These are critiques of the way the program is being administered.

For Pete's sake, the least they could do, especially when they've seen the resistance from a good lot of forum users from the get go, is to train them properly. Not doing so, in light of all this tension is just plain stupid.

The purpose was to shift the task of forum moderation from salaried employees over to free labor.

If the Lindens actually had in mind to let residents endure the brunt of the community anger and outrage, like some kind of emotional sandbags ... then they should feel shame. But honestly I don't think that is what they had in mind. They should, however, be aware that it's exactly what is happening.

Not my intent to waggle fingers. I don't feel a need to take anyone to task, since the behavior isn't actually bothersome to me (well, except the repetitive "I don't listen to anyone but LL. So there!" threads, that was tiresome). I'm just suggesting how to change behaviors to get what the anti-RM squad wants. I could go either way, but if you look objectively, profanity-laced tirades and sniping at the RMs will not get them far.

That doens't mean that the inconsistencies and issues should be ignored, just framed better. There may be only 1 or 2 bad apples, but the barrel is spoiling quickly.

Haven't read this whole thread, but judging by that other thread getting moved, I'd better get my two Lindens in while the gettin's good.

I put "sometimes." That's because yes, I ignore resmods, in that their opinion about which threads are off-topic or why we need resmods or whatever no longer mean anything to me.

However, I would not ignore what a resmod tells me to do. When I was asked to edit one of my posts, I did.

And as time goes on, I have less respect - not more - for anyone who actually stays in the job.

Saying I ignore resmods isn't really saying much, though. The fact is, I ignore the entire forum system, including the so-called TOS and Forum Guidelines, and have no respect anymore for any of it, and haven't since the day Satchmo clarified the whole thing for me, which explained not just the resmods, but why it has always been the way it is.

Having said all that, if they ever get it to where it makes any sense and is at ALL fair to anyone, and actually has rules where the words actually mean anything at all, and even (gasp!) mean the same things for everyone no matter when your rezday was -

- well then, I will be happy to be able to respect the place again. Things can change, and can improve. Not that I'm expecting it.

coco

A common problem. "Do it right the first time" is not a mantra heard much round these parts.

You should ask her about her Apple Pie recipe, it is delicious.

Well, you've twice said "children", sounds like finger waggling to me. That is taking people to task in a general way.

What I asked was if you would deal with the ones who are acting like dolts with respect to their dislike of the program one on one, versus blanketing. There's one in this thread, and I am hoping he is reading this.

Can you please quote these profanity laced tirades? Somehow I just don't see such posts surviving in the current environment, nor have I read them, and I have been keeping up with these threads.

For me, this really isn't about bad apples. We don't really have any. What we have is piss poor training which I view as profoundly errant given the community's reaction thus far.

You do realize that Satchmo was speaking for Satchmo, right?

I bet you were glad when he gave you that ammo. It should last you a few months or maybe more, given your penchant for gripping tightly onto anything that supports your theory of inequity within SL and it's forums.

I'm pretty much with Lippmann. I'm actually pro-ResMod, and it seems that the system is not going away - after all this screaming, I'm going to assume LL realizes it's not a very popular system, so I think that it's probably hear to stay, if it hasn't been taken down by this point.

With that said, I will take individual resmods to task. There are going to be good ones and bad ones, just like there are people here that a like and respect, and people where who i consider ignorant-pieces-of-dog-shit-cretins*; the resmods really are a cross-section of the forums.

As long as individual resmods who make errors in their job are publicly questioned, the system will continue to self-correct, I think.

* and by that i mean evil, backstabbing, lying, fuck-eyed, two-faced, bastards.

Well, ok not "children", how about assholes? <--- And that covers the profanity too (plus see below).

I'll try not to generalize anymore. I don't feel like arguing the semantics of finger waggling. Can I take people to task in an off topic way?

And profanity lasts just fine in this environment (and I know this isn't from an RM issue thread, but I felt like quoting it anyway):

I'm getting the distinct impression that they really, really, really, really do want all talk of resmods to go in the Volunteers forums.

That's one way of trying to keep a lid on it.

coco

That's the rub, Taco. The smart resmods will keep very quiet about what they do. And we will have no way of knowing what goes on, or why.

coco

Enabran, I was just getting ready to answer your question, thinking you were asking the question of the general community. Now I see you only meant to ask the RM's, otherwise why would the thread be here in their forum?

While I'm here, can you tell me if it's still okay to say mild profanities like "shit"? I'm not up on the rules du jour.

did you just offer to rub me?