Goodbye Everyone

The above poster seems, as many, unnecessarily unkind. I suppose that's not exactly spectacular - all over the internet the hostile way seems to be favoured by a large percentage of posters. It's pointless wishing it weren't so, of course.

Peggy why resort to personal insults?

Why result to insulting someone's intelligence? You certainly insulted mine.

Changing the subject to suit your argument is insulting to anyone wanting to discuss the topic presented.

Get it now?

But there might be a level of hope for you......you at least read and understood the context of my statement.

I'm done with you..........have to deal with people like you in real life in my line of work. I won't deal with people like you here.

Today was the final straw. A request by someone for help with removing a Nazi display from near his parcel was met with ridicule and finally locked by Strife Onizuka - not because it was off-topic but because it broke Forum rules on displaying Nazi symbols. Did she even bother to read the thread? I really don't know because she hasn't replied to the PM I sent her. She has referred it to Linden Review - well good - perhaps they will point out to her that her reason for closing it was nonsense, given the thread content. She could simply have removed the picture.

Another forum member used the locked thread for a bit of grandstanding. His opening post on a subject that has been done to death contained inaccuracies - note I say inaccuracies, not an opinion with which I disagree - in fact I did agree with much of what he posted. I clearly offended him by pointing out 1) that the thread to which he referred had not been locked because it had gone off-topic. I strongly suspect he knew that anyway; 2) that he had attributed a quotation to the wrong person. Although he replied to every other person that posted, he ignored me.

Petty (of me) you may think, but I have to confess that ever since I was attacked by someone in the Forum a few months ago, I've held back from posting anything serious. I am sick, housebound and in constant pain in RL - I don't need more grief in the virtual world.

I have just logged on to find that my post telling everyone that the Nazi items had been removed in world had evoked the ire of one of our great libertarians. Someone should tell him that the price of eternal freedom is eternal vigilance.

I am a Jew. I am offended by the glorification of the Nazi regime and I told him so. I see he has responded, but I have not read his post nor that of the person who told him he had struck "Forum Gold" with his dig at me. She has also responded. Call me a coward but I really can't cope with any more cruelty or any cheap shots - and there is a great deal of both in these forums. There is a great deal of fun and wisdom too, and I shall miss that, and I shall miss so many of you, but I'm going. This isn't like Sinatra's retirement - I shan't creep back in a couple of weeks. I looked to see if there were some way to unsubscribe, but regrettably not.

Doubtless this post will provoke a great deal of mirth and mockery - and it will run and run and go way off-topic, but somehow I don't think Strife will be closing it any time soon. Except of course I used the word Nazi - hmm good job I'm going before I'm banned.

Let me leave you with this posting, made earlier today (not by me, I hasten to add). I'm sure the poster thinks of himself as tolerant. I agree - if tolerant means "I'm all right Jack so the world can screw itself".

LL can either uphold these standards as they are supposed to (and certainly not punish those residents trying to uphold them) or give them up; announce same; and lose good people who wouldn't want to be an an anti-semitic place, much less give LL any money to be here.

It's not a matter of being "easily offended"...........or "thin skinned". It's a matter of common decency. It may amaze you or others how quickly some will respond to having something "taken away"..........but it falls to amaze you when someone raises a question about common decency?

Broadly offensive discussions amaze me.........how someone with any amount of common knowledge of human beings can not know what is "broadly offensive". Hate speach, or anything as hateful and a symbol of Nazism is very "broadly offensive". If it's not to you then maybe you need to check your reality meter. It needs resetting.

BTW.............I'm not a Jew either.

Didn't read the original thread (and can't find it now), and didn't plow through all of this thread beyond the first couple of responses, but I wanted to let you know that I agree with you.


coco

Nazi and anti-semitic paraphernalia are against the TOS as intolerant, as well they should be. I would hope LL would always maintain that standard, as there are many people who would have no desire to share a world with such.

Ditto with racist and hate speech, and other forms of intolerance.

LL can either uphold these standards as they are supposed to (and certainly not punish those residents trying to uphold them) or give them up; announce same; and lose good people who wouldn't want to be an an anti-semitic place, much less give LL any money to be here.

Carl Jung, the psychologist, had quite a bit to say about all this - that some symbols are inherent in the human unconscious and would appear spontaneously when the situation was right.

As an atheist I am allowed to speak up against the church (ANY church) as long it not done in a discriminating or insulting way...

There are indeed no laws against being a moron, but there are laws here that forbid discrimination on race, religion, sexual preference and so on. And in my opinion, it is good this way...

Morwen.

Well, I assume you live in the USA. Where displaying a swastika is perfectly legal too.

I really don't know because she hasn't replied to the PM I sent her.

Ermm... no, I am Dutch

Morwen.

Baptists parade the streets with "God hates fags"

From 1939 to 1945, 55 million people died. Because of a country using the swasitka as its symbol. Maybe we should still be remembering all those that died and risked there lives.

I only just heard about this thread last night at the Forum Cartel party.
Francesca please, if you're reading this, please don't go.
When I left the party, my RL fiancee was upset I'd spent time with people I share the day with. We went to a SL planetarium and floated among the planets, just the two of us, soaking in an ever-changing sky and some wonderful sounds.
Please don't get hemmed in by others interpretations of intolerance or freedom. The SecondLife world is huge. It's big enough for a hundred Utopias. What's around the corner? You'll never know if you don't look.

Ehm... you don't realize the tiny contradiction in there? Any form of intolerance is against the TOS. For this reason, everyone is free to be intolerant about the following things [insert list of bad words and evil symbols here].

If someone walks up to you and utters hateful speech and insults, it's a different situation and counts as harrassment. But how can you claim to be against intolerance and want to forbid people to put up symbols on their property? Be it a pentagram (satanism! the ultimate evil), a confederate flag (slavery!), a crucifix (nothing says "intolerance" more clearly), a South African flag (racism!) or a swastika. And what about the North American flag? Does it stand for intolerance against and murder of native Americans? It's just a symbol.

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The anti-nazi rule goes back before I joined SL, it isn't new, I think it was penned in response to an increase of griefers from that WWII MMO that died; that or not wanting create a hindrance for players from mainland European countries.

Just a small correction here, you're talking about one particular church that happens to call itself a Baptist church, which doesn't generally reflect on Baptists, or the Christian Church worldwide. You're painting with a very broad, and inaccurate, brush there.

Context can change everything in a simple statement.

Broccoli