Goodbye Everyone

Nice display of ignorance there

the swastika means just what it always meant.

It can still be found in Indian homes and businesses as a blessing and wish for luck, health and properity.

Gay still means "happy"

Queer still means "odd"

and a Fag is still a bundle of sticks

just because SOME people want to change the meaning of words does not make it so....

See its people like you who pull out the wiki and crap that dont take into mind what is real and stuff. Things change over time and the fact of the matter the swastika was adopted by the natzi party and to this day remains a symbol of the party which still exists and means something in this connection and everyone knows it. The background of the symbol etc is totally irrelevant its what it was made into that is.

This happens with words and symbols all the time get used to it as its called evolution and EVERYTHING evolves from what it was to what it is now so that nice definition is fine but that doesn't mean that is what it means to 99.999999% of the population.

I dont see anyone arguing over celebrating christmas as being the birth of christ which it is not its a pagan ritual which evolved over times so remember that next time you pull out the wiki because theer are a million and one things that change over the years and that is one of them

/sigh

Today was the final straw. A request by someone for help with removing a Nazi display from near his parcel was met with ridicule and finally locked by Strife Onizuka - not because it was off-topic but because it broke Forum rules on displaying Nazi symbols. Did she even bother to read the thread? I really don't know because she hasn't replied to the PM I sent her. She has referred it to Linden Review - well good - perhaps they will point out to her that her reason for closing it was nonsense, given the thread content. She could simply have removed the picture.

Another forum member used the locked thread for a bit of grandstanding. His opening post on a subject that has been done to death contained inaccuracies - note I say inaccuracies, not an opinion with which I disagree - in fact I did agree with much of what he posted. I clearly offended him by pointing out 1) that the thread to which he referred had not been locked because it had gone off-topic. I strongly suspect he knew that anyway; 2) that he had attributed a quotation to the wrong person. Although he replied to every other person that posted, he ignored me.

Petty (of me) you may think, but I have to confess that ever since I was attacked by someone in the Forum a few months ago, I've held back from posting anything serious. I am sick, housebound and in constant pain in RL - I don't need more grief in the virtual world.

I have just logged on to find that my post telling everyone that the Nazi items had been removed in world had evoked the ire of one of our great libertarians. Someone should tell him that the price of eternal freedom is eternal vigilance.

I am a Jew. I am offended by the glorification of the Nazi regime and I told him so. I see he has responded, but I have not read his post nor that of the person who told him he had struck "Forum Gold" with his dig at me. She has also responded. Call me a coward but I really can't cope with any more cruelty or any cheap shots - and there is a great deal of both in these forums. There is a great deal of fun and wisdom too, and I shall miss that, and I shall miss so many of you, but I'm going. This isn't like Sinatra's retirement - I shan't creep back in a couple of weeks. I looked to see if there were some way to unsubscribe, but regrettably not.

Doubtless this post will provoke a great deal of mirth and mockery - and it will run and run and go way off-topic, but somehow I don't think Strife will be closing it any time soon. Except of course I used the word Nazi - hmm good job I'm going before I'm banned.

Let me leave you with this posting, made earlier today (not by me, I hasten to add). I'm sure the poster thinks of himself as tolerant. I agree - if tolerant means "I'm all right Jack so the world can screw itself".

I understand how you feel ... but take a breather and I personally invite you to come back if you want .. when I was a newbie I saw a guy in a fav newbie hangout in a nazi outfit doing nazi salute... I was pissed and confronted him and I never went back there again ( I was told by a friend he was being banned everywhere all over sl so I felt better ) and I saw a nazi flag in the middle of the air once it seemed to be the opening to an invisible club or something.. I filed an abuse report...for me, its not about the ability to reanact the past the way we reanact the civil war or others wars , its the idea the nazi ideals of hatred and genocide that should not be allowed ... if the kkk in their white sheets wanted to start a group here in sl should we allow that too? Hate groups have no place in sl period.

Elinah

Theres a difference between preferential treatment and compassion, though.

Yes, compassion is voluntarily given, preferential treatment is most often imposed by force.

Thanks Aromadon Enoch. My only intolerance is ignorance. As long as people choose to remain ignorant, hence stupid, there will be misunderstandings. Those of us that choose not to be ignorant will turn out hate towards those that would use symbols and words for ill and shrug off the symbols as getting up set over them are a waist of time and energy.

I"m also pretty sure that the swastikas painted on my grandmothers gravestones while they were tumbled were put there by natzi groups and the one painted on my door one summer. I have never seen anyone paint one anywheer but on a jews property in my home town if its for other reasons its usually kept in its place as a little medalion or a decoration inside a house never flaunted in the way we see in SL. Once you start throwing around symbols and sticking up giant billboards I will not believe that you are putting it there as a sign of peace etc it looks like an attempt at grandstanding to me and in your face method of flaunting something which bring me back to realizing its probably someone just saying its the "nice kind" especially if its black on a red background.

Anyone willing to prove this wrong is free to build a themed budhist temple and encorporate the "swastika" the good kind into their build meanwhile if i see a big huge swastika in my backyard where it should not be I will be reporting it for what it is. The natzi parties official emblem and also trash..

The people who vandalized your Grandmother's gravestone and your door should be charged with a crime, destruction of private property.

Irrelevant and misleading.

The meaning of symbols, not unlike the meaning of words, changes with time. A symbol, like a word, is nothing but what people think it is -- the word "green" only corresponds to a particular physical property because people think it does. There's nothing inherent in the word itself that makes it so.
At one time, the swastika symbolized well-being. It no longer does. It now symbolizes Nazism.

Today was the final straw. A request by someone for help with removing a Nazi display from near his parcel was met with ridicule and finally locked by Strife Onizuka - not because it was off-topic but because it broke Forum rules on displaying Nazi symbols. Did she even bother to read the thread? I really don't know because she hasn't replied to the PM I sent her. She has referred it to Linden Review - well good - perhaps they will point out to her that her reason for closing it was nonsense, given the thread content. She could simply have removed the picture.

Another forum member used the locked thread for a bit of grandstanding. His opening post on a subject that has been done to death contained inaccuracies - note I say inaccuracies, not an opinion with which I disagree - in fact I did agree with much of what he posted. I clearly offended him by pointing out 1) that the thread to which he referred had not been locked because it had gone off-topic. I strongly suspect he knew that anyway; 2) that he had attributed a quotation to the wrong person. Although he replied to every other person that posted, he ignored me.

Petty (of me) you may think, but I have to confess that ever since I was attacked by someone in the Forum a few months ago, I've held back from posting anything serious. I am sick, housebound and in constant pain in RL - I don't need more grief in the virtual world.

I have just logged on to find that my post telling everyone that the Nazi items had been removed in world had evoked the ire of one of our great libertarians. Someone should tell him that the price of eternal freedom is eternal vigilance.

I am a Jew. I am offended by the glorification of the Nazi regime and I told him so. I see he has responded, but I have not read his post nor that of the person who told him he had struck "Forum Gold" with his dig at me. She has also responded. Call me a coward but I really can't cope with any more cruelty or any cheap shots - and there is a great deal of both in these forums. There is a great deal of fun and wisdom too, and I shall miss that, and I shall miss so many of you, but I'm going. This isn't like Sinatra's retirement - I shan't creep back in a couple of weeks. I looked to see if there were some way to unsubscribe, but regrettably not.

Doubtless this post will provoke a great deal of mirth and mockery - and it will run and run and go way off-topic, but somehow I don't think Strife will be closing it any time soon. Except of course I used the word Nazi - hmm good job I'm going before I'm banned.

Let me leave you with this posting, made earlier today (not by me, I hasten to add). I'm sure the poster thinks of himself as tolerant. I agree - if tolerant means "I'm all right Jack so the world can screw itself".

well they had to catch them first and yes of course they were reported. They were when caught charged with a lot more then that though as one year we had a rampage of neo natzi's when I was in my 20's they beat a couple of people to death too among other things.

Anyhow i strongly disbelieve its a sign of peace when people errect ugly spinning things etc when they know people hate that stuff seems the opposite to me. Peaceful people who are trying to be "zen" using such symbols are usually pretty unintrussive of their ideas and dont go around plopping them on linden land and other stuff it means something and there are a lot of griefer groups out there who have made poofers that poof little hitlers and swastikas depending on the poofer they are using at the time. So I highly doubt these are peacful people minding their own business bulding their little builds and making ornate symbols for peace out of pixels and prims

Would it have somehow been better if the people had been beat to death over the money in their pockets? All crime is hateful.

Would it have somehow been better if the people had been beat to death over the money in their pockets? All crime is hateful.

Assinine statement.........totally off topic. The Neo Nazi's mentioned that you are relating to killed because of religious beliefs (assuming, of course the event happened.....but there's no reason to disbelieve it either). You really need to read the whole statement....not cherry pick for you own purposes. It was not because of "money in their pockets" as you so moronically posted.

Some people argue to "impress" others of their wisdom.......wisdom that is seldom there. You are guilty of that, my friend. You said you "may lose" an argument but "won't back down".........that is a very clear sign of a "loser".

Take that for what's it's worth.

He is the one that brought up that two people had been beat to death. I agree that is a horrible crime. But if it was because of their religion, race or the cash in their pocket, it is all equally bad. I make no distinction as to why the people were killed. You seem to be saying that being murdered for your religion is worse than if the thug did it for economic reasons. We will have to agree to disagree.


Peggy why resort to personal insults?