ResMod Volunteers Wanted

No new information but I didn't want to give the impression since I closed the other thread that I wasn't still accepting volunteers.

Taco your posts in this thread do your applications for ResMod status a disservice.

No need to explain Wilhelm, I know just how you feel. Being a ResMod requires a certain amount of discipline and sensitivity to the political nature of the forums. ResMods can't do everything they might want to; like threaten to ban people or troll off-topic.

As long as it's just popcorn Isablan, I don't mind so much.

So I take it that the future of the forums is still in question. I would be saddened by this news but find I am disgusted instead. As I pointed out in my recent open letter, it should be a requirement that every single Linden look through the content creation forums. We do more good PR for Linden Labs there then any other forms of communication in total.

These forums are much, much more then the sum total of the old General or Resident Answers. I am not knocking the humor, I have been known to partake in it some also and humor helps the well being of the community. But I am pointing out the time and dedication demonstrated by so many people in creating new applications and in helping new ones learn new skills. The Mentoring program never did even a portion of what the forums do every single day.

LL doesn't need to hire a community manager, they just need to get off of their butts and visit; Animation Tips, Building Tips, Texturing Tips or Scripting Tips. It is unbelievable that they haven't. If they had, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. If they had, we wouldn't still be waiting for an upgrade here after 2 YEARS. If they had then Strife wouldn't be here working so hard everyday alone. And finally if they had then the forums would be open to at least read only status to ALL SLers.

WORD, Jesse!

*offers Strife pie*

Hmmm. You're right. There has to be a way to market the content forums directly to Lindens. In fact, there is. One could start with blog posts that reference them, and by steering Jira comments to forum threads instead of crossposting comments there. Those are two venues we know Lindens read.

And I bet there's more. I bet there's resident-run inworld places that Lindens tend to go to.

I couldn't give a damn about resmods.

I would personally like to see a Linden presence here.

Every single day of the week.

Just one Linden helping keep the residents in order, and just as important: helping keep the resmod(s) in order.

If they can't do that tiny thing, then to hell with it.
Just delete the god damn forums.

Jesse is on the mark.While a lot of people don't read this Forum, although a bet a lot do read and don't post, this is the official site. People will look here first. That's how I got here. I had a question , I found theanswer and decided to stay. I can't speak for the "Good Old Days" the Ancient Ones look back upon so fondly. But closing this one would be a mistake , in my opinion. A lot of knowledge would be lost , scattered amongst various 3rd party sites at best, or just lost s people don't move to another community. I know i won't go anywhere else. I'm not interested in the other places, if this place closed.

Strife is taking a lot of heat here, and "out there". some probably deserved, but he is the last person standing, at least he's doing something. Linden needs to give him the help he is asking for. And they need to stop being so Goddamned thinskinned and spend some time here as well. You want to take people's money, you have to hear their complaints whether they are justified or not. I can't honestly believe NO ONE there has time to pop in every so often. But if it is true, then just go ahead and pull the plug and get it over with.

Obviously something has been going on that i missed..

The good old days on these forums. Think of the forum that is now dead due to uberdrama +++. This forum was not so great in "those days" in fact it was pretty harsh and is what lead to them pulling the plug. Some say that with enough moderators it could have remained. I'm not so sure because the stuff spewing out them at times was coming out faster then any one human being or even 4 or 5 could keep up with.

Lindens stopped reading the boards I think I probably would to. I know I stopped posting to them I saw no point in it. Some lindens do lurk at times. I have no idea of their budget but they can find some volunteers to moderate I would think?

I would volunteer but like the mentors group by the time I got accepted almost a year later I simply didn't have the time for it. At present I doubt I have the time for this board or much else. I volunteered at a time when I could have had time it was so long in coming that life, the universe and everything had changed which is a shame, but such is life.

err plus i would have to be "good" lol

It looks like they have a lot of transient staff to me which is why stuff doesn't get done. People hired on contract etc likethe rest of the world makes for lack of continuity.

Closing these boards would be a big mistake because I do use the help parts of the forums quite a lot and there are no other sites/forums out there with the volume of information on them that is contained in the help forums down below.

I also know what people think of strife by you know something ? this is not some little tiny third party forum with 100 users max at peak time. This is a huge forum even though its been cut back and its a lot to plow through. I personally think for one person its like a full time job so one thing that can be said that others can't say is IN SPITE of it all he still sticks with it. Others can't say the same.

An official forum needs official employees to take charge. If a resident volunteer is put in charge, and the forums are no longer overseen by a company official, they cease to be 'official forums'. They are no different to any third-party forum, except for a link in the sidebar of the company's website.

More resmods (particularly chosen by a resmod) are not the solution here. This place needs daily Linden intervention. Without it, allegations of favouritism, bias and abuse of power will continue to be rife, and we might as well be arguing it out on a third-party forum because that's all this place is. Without. Regular. Linden. Intervention. The resmods need to be overseen as much as (if not more than) the residents.

The size of these forums and how much the sun shines out of Strife's arse simply don't enter the equation.

I do think residents can have a hand in the running of the Forum, I agree with Walker, there does need to be an official Linden Presence here. And the ridiculous Forum/In World banning link has to go.

yes they need payed lindens but i dont think that is going to happen. To me there seems to be a lack of staff. So its resident mods or no forums.

If they contracted it out like others it would be great, but i have no idea of their money flow. I have been told in the past they had plenty of money but that was years ago. Do they still have plenty now?

If so there are companies like jolt and alchemic dream who moderate forums that they could draw upon. A lot of companies use them and not their own staff for the simple reason that moderating is a business in and of itself at times and being detached in a third party compnay works well.

As for strife I get tired of hearing the put downs. He's just a person who despite what you feel is trying to do the best he can in a difficult situation.

I disagree about the forum inworld banning link and many mmorpg comapnies use it because its the only danged thing that keeps the people with no restraint in line a bit as they just stay away from forums. Its harsh yes but more and more companies have had to adopt this stand not out of choice but out of necessity.

Let's leave Strife's thread to resmod volunteers, and continue the discussion about Linden involvement here?

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thanks

No forums then. Forums totally controlled by a select group of residents, not properly overseen by officials from the company, are no different to third party forums. Get rid of them, and balance the playing field by making the forums link in the sidebar 'expandable' to reveal a list of third party forums.

/me nods in agreement.

I'm banned from Resident Answers (made an example of), but I'll resmod the rest of the forums!

and third party forums are not controlled bye a select group of individuals?

come now i know what some of this noise is but to be honest I dont want to loose these forums due to people's personal feeling and hatred of one or two individuals.

Linden labs controlling these forums would pretty much do the same thing in fact anyone controlling any forum which is also called moderation would do the same thing.

Since people often not capable of self moderation there is no choice, given the choices we have available I would like to give these forums a chance for life. I'm not so mean or jaded as to think everyone has an alterior motive to moderate forum and is there for the sole purpose of being a control freak.

I actualy believe some people do mean wel and try their best

So honestly I would ask that those with a hate on for resident moderators or volunteers of any kind please maybe just not say so much because I dont want these forums to go away they server their purpose and I like the information they have to offer.

Since people have also accused linden lab of doing exactly what moderators who are resmods are acussed of doing on occassion I dont think its possible to please some people no matter what is done. So there is a choice use the forums or don't but please dont sabotage what is heer with your hatred of one individual which is what this is about.

thanks

/me nods also.

coco

here are some words of wisdom

do the existance of these forums seeing you hate them so much and dont want to use them or use them actualy cramp your style?

Since you dont like them or want to use them then they should not be affecting you. HOwever denial of service based on what i can see as turning into a hatefest here is simply saying "If i can't use them then i dont want other people to use them so shut them" . I find that selfish and narrowminded to say the least.

In other words don't like it no one is forcing you so dont use them their existance has no bearing on your enjoyement of life since you wont be using them anyways they simply wont exist. ohmmmm

I don't hate these forums, Wilhelm, and can use them, and I'm not going to discuss it here, because we aren't supposed to discuss here. (I was worried just about the doing that ditto.)

And honestly, Wilhelm, I thought we were friends?

coco

we are freind hwoever i find this "close them because we can't have what we want" to be a very narror minded viewpoint coming from someone who is usualy the opposite

I have returned to find this week that everyone is angry and I dont know why .. I left and everyone was happy and joking and having fun and i return and everyone is angry and demanding closure of forums because they can't have them run in exactly the way they want.

YOu know life is not perfect but i learned as you know a long time ago that worrying and ruminating and protesting and demanding things that simply cannot be to be a waste of energy and in the end a denial of things to yourself and others out of what often is fear or spite.

I dont see that as progressive and never have and as you know me you should know why i say this.

Why say that something should go away because of what one person you dont like does? LL did the same thing but somehow NOW LL would be better? So now since we can't have LL doing exactly what is happening anyhow we must therefore close what i consider to be a useful resource. Why? so peopel can go to third party forums and be scattered?

I dont like third party forums and rarely use them. I would like people to supress the urge to lobby based on emotion and hatred and think rationally for 5 minutes and realize that just because you dont like a resmod doesn't mean that the answer to the problem is to deny access to what I consider to be a large body of knowledge and a vibrant community.

Lets put it this way for the most part the third party forums I have seen that have anything to do with sl are in fact WORSE then this forum so i prefer here.

DAMN. I deleted that post successfully! But you're too fast.

We aren't supposed to be discussing on this thread, and I don't intend to discuss it here.

I'm sorry for the ditto.

coco

QFT

I would just like to clarify that I never said that. You have decided - even though I have explained my point of view clearly - that I want these forums closed because (i) I hate Strife and (ii) I "can't have what I want".

Neither of those points are true.

I refer you once more to my previous posts in this thread. They are very clear. If you still don't get the point, fine.

What you want is LL to have a presence in them. If you can't have that they should be closed. Seems pretty clear to me.

plus the comments you made at the bottom makes it equaly clear what you think about moderators from the community and their "control" yet third party forums are just that controled by members of the very community you dont want controlling a these boards only with different names and different faces.

Since many large corporations today dont moderate their own boards the reality of the situation is that its very likely that LL is yet another coorporatino doing exactly what everyone else does (not moderating their own boards).

There are several reasons for this. Its very difficult to moderate if your too close to an issue and then there are time constraints so they do exactly what LL does and either get volunteers and supplement those volunteers with paid 3rd party companies to moderate. They show up once a month or so and peruse boards and maybe just might post if the mood hits them. LL is not that unusual in this fact.

but regardless of what happens someone will have "control" and likely LL will be in the background because well this platform has kind of mushroomed and I doubt they have the personel to do this job. Hence the need for volunteers and if they can afford it a third party contracted helper during peak times or something.

But no LL has to do it? well its not going to happen they dont have the manpower. If they did I would wonder where they got it from because to me they look like they cant keep up with everything else going on and are busy looking for staff replacements for certain jobs on a routine basis.

Jesse sounds like he's make a damn good moderator.