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Cory Edo
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03-01-2006 10:01
From: Jonas Pierterson Check out this week's Metaverse Messenger. Specifically 'the Katt's meow' section. Wow. Just read that article. That chick is delusional in the extreme. Particularily the part where she alludes to people that rushed to Torley's defense as KKK members (the "white sheets" reference). To be fair, she didn't step in the thread as a resmod, nor did she claim to be speaking on behalf of the program. But damn, just....damn. To put it mildly, she's a person that doesn't display the tact and ability to listen to differing viewpoints that a moderator would require.
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Creami Cannoli
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03-01-2006 10:15
From: Jonas Pierterson bladyblue also accused someone of racism, rabiddly arguing the point in spite of the obvious lack of racist context, and she was a mod...
notice she is still a mod (a sfar as I know) I scrolled all the way down to the forum leaders link and it doesn't say 'discussion forums' after her name as to what she is a moderator of. I also tried to ignore, just for curiosity's sake and this is what I got From: someone Sorry bladyblue Bommerang is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her. http://forums.secondlife.com/showgroups.php? Just scroll down to the name.
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Lias Leandros
mainlander
Join date: 20 Jul 2005
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03-01-2006 10:21
From: Creami Cannoli I scrolled all the way down to the forum leaders link and it doesn't say 'discussion forums' after her name as to what she is a moderator of. I also tried to ignore, just for curiosity's sake and this is what I got http://forums.secondlife.com/showgroups.php? Just scroll down to the name. Thisis just a group mod post. It has nothing to do with the ResMod program.
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
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03-01-2006 10:22
From: Creami Cannoli I scrolled all the way down to the forum leaders link and it doesn't say 'discussion forums' after her name as to what she is a moderator of. I also tried to ignore, just for curiosity's sake and this is what I got http://forums.secondlife.com/showgroups.php? Just scroll down to the name. a group mod is not the same as a resmod, fyi
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
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03-01-2006 10:22
From: Lias Leandros Thisis just a group mod post. It has nothing to do with the ResMod program. jinx!
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StoneSelf Karuna
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03-01-2006 10:24
From: nimrod Yaffle I have no idea either, I don't speak Russian. :-/ that's ok... the resmod doesn't seem to read english too well either... /274/f1/90622/1.html#post911825/274/f1/90622/1.html#post911825so not reading russian shouldn't be a hinderance... translation tool: http://babelfish.altavista.com/
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StoneSelf Karuna
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03-01-2006 10:28
From: Jonquille Noir And that she said they were told they weren't allowed to edit. do you have a link to this?
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Creami Cannoli
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03-01-2006 10:38
From: StoneSelf Karuna a group mod is not the same as a resmod, fyi I just was looking to double check. And tried to use ignore by clicking on the name and then using the "add this person to ignore" and that was the page I got in response. That they are a mod and I am unable to ignore them. That is all. I know this person is not a resmod.
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
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03-01-2006 10:45
From: Cocoanut Cookie So this resmod had every reason to believe that those words should be edited out, unless she had happened to follow this particular issue closely, and had read Jeska's explanation. Highlights courtesy of GL. Any RM should be expected to (i) follow the forum moderation issues closely,(ii) read LL posts regarding forum moderation issues and (iii) definitively know what actions are allowed by an RM. The RM, if peforming the duties properly, did not have any reason to believe the words should be edited out.
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Enabran Templar
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03-01-2006 10:47
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Jonquille Noir
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03-01-2006 11:59
From: StoneSelf Karuna do you have a link to this? Odd... I just went to grab the link to the post where she said they were told they weren't allowed to edit, but should use the tools available... and the entire thread is missing, or at least not showing up in my search for it. It was titled New ResMods and was started by Aimee Weber.
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Creami Cannoli
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03-01-2006 12:02
From: Jonquille Noir Odd... I just went to grab the link to the post where she said they were told they weren't allowed to edit, but should use the tools available... and the entire thread is missing, or at least not showing up in my search for it. It was titled New ResMods and was started by Aimee Weber. I thought that a different ResMod said that they had been told not to edit, but she said she had been told to use the tools available. I found the thread for you. /112/d1/89751/1.html
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Jeska Linden
Administrator
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03-01-2006 12:02
You can read who is a moderator for each forum by visiting the landing page for each forum -- for example, if you visit the SL Content Providers forum, you will see that bladyblue is in fact a group forum moderator for that forum and is not a member of the ResMod group (viewable by scrolling to the bottom of this page. The ResMods are encouraged to consult both the ResMod Guidelines and their own set of still growing Best Practices. As has been mentioned, due to a snafu in permissions, several ResMods did have access to edit posts - which was an error and immediately corrected as soon as it was discovered. This was confounded by added confusion because it doesn't clearly state in the Guidelines that ResMods are not able to edit posts, because they were not supposed to have access to this tool. I take full responsibility for both the permissions error and for not having it clearly stated in the ResMod guidelines and will add a clarification to the guidelines about this immediately. Please continue to send feedback about the still growing program. As always, if you have any questions you can send them directly to my Forum PM or email [email]jeska@lindenlab.com[/email].
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Lecktor Hannibal
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03-01-2006 12:03
From: Jeska Linden Please continue to send feedback about the still growing program. As always, if you have any questions you can send them directly to my Forum PM or email [email]jeska@lindenlab.com[/email]. Why do you people even ask for feedback? 
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Barbarra Blair
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03-01-2006 12:16
I didn't want to talk about any of this while I was still a res mod; I decided to leave the program today, so I wanted to make a comment or two (without betraying any confidences). [don't cheer so loud, there are babies sleeping.] The res mods sit over there in their forum and agonize over what to do about this thread and that thread, and they do their best to be fair and even handed. You get hit with dozens of e-mails every day begging you do do something, but most of the time you decide to do nothing, knowing that most problems work themselves out. Half the people want you do more, and half want you to do less. None of them like you very much. As you know, there are people on the forums who try to bully other people into leaving the forums. There are others who get their feelings hurt over imaginary slights. The Res Mods have an impossible job--you guys really don't need to do anything to try to make it harder. They are just trying to keep the forums open for everyone. I wanted to see how the program works from the inside--and now I see that it is just not for me.
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Jonquille Noir
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03-01-2006 13:14
From: Creami Cannoli I thought that a different ResMod said that they had been told not to edit, but she said she had been told to use the tools available. I found the thread for you. /112/d1/89751/1.html You were right. My mistake. Thanks for finding the thread. That'll teach me to search in General for a thread that's of General interest regarding the forums.
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Nolan Nash
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03-01-2006 13:47
From: Cocoanut Cookie That is not necessarily so, and I don't believe it to be so. There was nothing in the instructions the resmods got about not editing posts. At the same time, there was a button to edit posts. That individual was doing as the job as she thought it was supposed to be, with the tools given to her, as she said. As for the tapioca, I don't blame you for wanting to kill your dad! coco Ahem. That person was on their first week, where they are supposed to be "shadowing" a more "seasoned" resmod, when they did that editing. Wouldn't it make sense, if you're to be shadowing a RM (training in) that you would run ANY possible action by that person you are shadowing before taking it? One could say "well they weren't specifically told not to take action without consulting the RM they are shadowing", and to that I would say, what ever happened to common sense? I used to train a great deal of new servers, bartenders, and supervisors when I was in the restaurant industry, and we certainly wouldn't have been happy (indeed, it never happened) with hearing the excuse "well you didn't tell me I had to run any and all important decisions by my trainer, so I made the decision on my own".
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-01-2006 13:53
From: Khamon Fate what are you people talking about? Nothing of any interest.
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Jonquille Noir
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03-01-2006 13:56
It's not even about the resmod who did the editing. I don't know her personally, except to know that she's a hoot at Captions, and have nothing against her at all. I just feel it points to a larger problem with the program as a whole, which is always what I've had the problem with.
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Nolan Nash
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03-01-2006 13:58
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Nothing of any interest. Do you always force yourself to read "boring" and uninteresting threads, followed by the irresistible urge to belittle scores of people by declaring your disinterest, and how worthless the topic is? Perhaps toss in an AR or two, because it's "Nothing of any interest to you"? Wait, don't answer that... not necessary.
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Starax Statosky
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03-01-2006 13:58
From: Jonquille Noir It's not even about the resmod who did the editing. I don't know her personally, except to know that she's a hoot at Captions, and have nothing against her at all. I just feel it points to a larger problem with the program as a whole, which is always what I've had the problem with. * folllow Jonquille from the other thread * I'm not stalking you. Honest!!
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Travis Lambert
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Join date: 3 Jun 2004
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03-01-2006 13:58
I put together a long-winded post that is really a huge waste of time, so I put backspace to work  I feel like we're continuing to attack the people in the program unfairly, instead of focusing our anger on Linden where it belongs. Statements like 'Abuse of Power' and 'Inside Job' and 'Can't understand english' seem pretty extreme to me when the infraction involved the editing of one word in Cristiano's post, on Barbarra's first day as a resmod. Note that the removal of that word did not obfuscate the meaning of Cris' post in the slightest. In fact, it wasn't even noticed at first. Unless I'm misunderstanding, and there are a littany of other abuses performed by Barbarra that I'm not aware of. (Supposedly there is one other unconfirmed edit done at the same time on her first day). If there are other abuses, I'll gracefully be wrong and stfu. In reading this thread, everyone keeps saying "She" or "The Resmod" - never does anyone say "Barbarra". What? If you don't say her name, you're not attacking her? If you just refer in general terms, that means we're just "attacking the program, not the people?" Look - its cool to be upset about the program. I see issues with it myself. But I don't feel that waiting like a cat ready to pounce on the slightest mistake from a resmod, then shoving their face in it ad nauseum is what I would call 'constructive'. At least to me, that's what it seems like we're doing. I felt like the "Russian Thread" in General was - instead of an intelligent, thoughtful debate - a well placed 'trap' that many were hoping and praying that a careless resmod would fall into so it would add to our seemingly limitless supply of ammunition. Don't we have plenty enough as it is?
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Logan Bauer
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03-01-2006 14:01
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Nothing of any interest. And Thank You for Posting!
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
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03-01-2006 14:04
From: Cocoanut Cookie I don't blame you for wanting to kill your dad! coco Advocating murder?
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