Please remove a Resmod.
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
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11-16-2006 16:41
It appears the experiment of ending the general fourms is not working well. Added to this we have a ham handed Resmod Strife Onizuka locking threads which contain legitmate questions. At the same time Strife is posting his/her own opinion as fact and stickying it in the Resident Answers fourm. Please remove Strife as a Resmod.
As a public figure on these boards, Strife's conduct should be able to be discussed by members of these fourms.
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Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
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11-16-2006 17:24
I seem to recall that resmods would only be in the position for a month or so, then 'rotated' amongst the other volunteers.
What happened to that policy? Or, when the forums were gutted, was it decided not to bother getting more applicants?
Lewis
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Strife Onizuka
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11-16-2006 17:26
From: Chris Norse As a public figure on these boards, Strife's conduct should be able to be discussed by members of these fourms. I happen to agree with you here, which is why these threads (targeting me) are tolerated. The rules do not permit such threads typically. I hate to be the bad guy of the RA forum but it has to be done (lets not discuss why it has to be done; I tire of that discussion and it leads nowhere *sigh* unless you have something entirely new to add to it).
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Strife Onizuka
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11-16-2006 17:42
Good memory Lewis, though it happened before the forums were gutted. Its my humble opinion that when the last of the resmods quit, the forums will be closed. It's like we got the world on our shoulders and its weighing us down. Only a few us remain... so heavy... so tiring, I wish there were more of us  I'm sure there are those out there who will read this and rejoice at the thought of the forums closing. Unless asked otherwise by LL I will stay on as a resmod. I won't be responsible for the closing of the forums.
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Chris Norse
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11-17-2006 05:09
From: Strife Onizuka I happen to agree with you here, which is why these threads (targeting me) are tolerated. The rules do not permit such threads typically.
I hate to be the bad guy of the RA forum but it has to be done (lets not discuss why it has to be done; I tire of that discussion and it leads nowhere *sigh* unless you have something entirely new to add to it). Not targeting you, but rather your conduct.
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Jesse Barnett
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11-17-2006 06:31
Keep up the good work Strife. You may not be correct 100% of the time. I agree with all of your calls but of course not everyone will. BUT............................ Instead of just whining and complaining about everything, you have taken it open yourself to perform a thankless task. A task that takes away from the time you could just be scripting, playing, relaxing with freinds. Instead of tearing down the community by screaming at each other in the forums and spitting out vile !quit messages, you are doing your part to help. Not because of greed, but for the love of a game and community.
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Jeb Gibb
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11-24-2006 20:57
Well I wouldn't mine becoming a moderator or is it called resmod I am sure I can be a little help to you all if I can be of somehelp....
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Osgeld Barmy
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11-25-2006 00:29
Strife Onizuka has been one of the most stable res-mods out there
when i flag a post its usually strife who gets on it, and pretty asap (unlike er some lindens, who would take MONTHS to snuff a hate filled flamefest)
and sofar, altho i may not agree with them all of the time, ive seen nothing wrong in her posts or mod actions
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Graciella Princess
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11-25-2006 09:04
Is there not a chain of command to use for stuff like this? I'm sure there is somebody that watches over the resmods to make sure they perform their jobs fairly and without malice. Posting this here doesn't make your case against any resmod, but rather hurts your own credibility as it looks as though you are attacking the resmod rather than attempting to resolve an issue.
While we are speaking on credibility, when you make allegations towards another person, it is best to have facts that support those allegations. For example:
Resmod A has been locking posts which follow forum specific guidelines and remain on topic. The following posts were locked for reasons I am unable to determine. (Link the posts here.)
Resmod A has been posting his own personal opinions as facts about SL regardless of what rules or protocols might say. The following posts is where Resmod A gives out his opinion as facts. (Link those posts here.)
Now, keep in mind that this works against you as well. I assure you that the resmods probably keep good records on people that cause issues. There might very well be a file that says something like:
Resident A is attempting to cause trouble in this particular forum, in this thread. The original post occurred at this particular time, on this particular day. The link is (link here.)
Resident A has a history of trolling, or causing problems within the forums, to which the following links prove (more linkage.)
Resmod A recommends a formal warning, followed by a temporary ban, and lastly a permanent ban if the behavior continues.
My personal suggestion is that if you have an issue with a resmod, try to talk to them about it calmly and like an adult. You don't have to agree with their decisions and they don't need your approval. You just have to abide by them. Kind of like living in your parents house. You don't have to like the rules. You don't have to approve of the rules. But as long as you live in their house, you live with their rules.
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Dr Tardis
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11-25-2006 14:41
From what I've seen, every post that I've seen locked since the Resident Answers forum opened was locked for a good reason. If anything, he's left a lot of threads open that should have been locked.
Lay off the guy. He's doing a good job.
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Strife Onizuka
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11-25-2006 22:31
Graciella Princess:
We do some record keeping, not too much. Eight months ago I was trying to get LL to implement a system that would automate the abuse process to a greater extent to make the forums easier to manage (it would not be fully automated). They did not implement it, but they thought it was a good idea.
Usually we handle things as they pop up and rarely do we create a dossier on anyone; LL keeps their own records separate from us. Our mission is like that of the police, keep the peace and if need be collect the evidence. People fear us like the police; unlike the police we can't fake the evidence, the forum software keeps everything.
A dossier we create will have selected threads & posts by the users, with notes & quotes. Sometimes a link to a search for the users recent posts (same link that is in the users profiles page here on the forums).
Rarely do we recommend any course of action. Even rarer is it that we recommend anything greater then a warning. The most common thing to prompt both the creation of a dossier and an attached recommendation is spamming. If it's mild spamming (posting classified threads in multiple forums, multiple times) we may recommend a warning. Typically when we write up a report to be read by Linden Review it's just a simple reporting of facts and a thread link.
If you don't agree with a ResMod, please PM the ResMod. If you don't agree with me, I will be more then happy to discuss it via PM. I prefer not to chat in world or by IM; PM's give plenty of time to think and formulate and then reformulate. In real time chat, there is a tenancy not to put as much thought into what is typed. I find the conversations to be more productive via PM.
About Stickies: If you see there is a sub-par sticky and think it should be rewritten or removed; if it is something small that needs to be done PM a ResMod. If you think you can write a better sticky, do so. We will be happy to sticky anything that is of high enough quality. If you have a thread that you think should be sticked, PM a ResMod.
About PM's: I am very active on forums, if I get and read a PM but nothing happens for a few days you are welcome to send another PM asking why nothing has happened; sometimes I forget. Be sure you have PM's turned on and that you haven't muted the ResMod in question (some people muted all the ResMods; which is in my mind, counter productive).
Have a nice day =^_^=
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Banking Laws
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11-27-2006 18:03
Remove this resmod who has called forum regulars trolls and repeatedly locked threads which were appropriate. He has even engaged in gaybashing in his latest tirade... /327/4a/151319/1.html /327/87/148535/1.html Originally Posted by Strife Onizuka SecondCitizen is the only 3rd party forum I sometime participate in (never enough time). After the discussion forum were closed, most of the tr-... i mean regulars went there. http://forums.secondcitizen.com/index.php
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Joshua Nightshade
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11-27-2006 19:21
From: Strife Onizuka Rarely do we recommend any course of action. Even rarer is it that we recommend anything greater then a warning. The most common thing to prompt both the creation of a dossier and an attached recommendation is spamming. If it's mild spamming (posting classified threads in multiple forums, multiple times) we may recommend a warning. Typically when we write up a report to be read by Linden Review it's just a simple reporting of facts and a thread link.
Yes, this isn't true though. You gave me a 7 day ban when I've only ever received an informal warning one time. That's also the fastest turn-around I've ever seen on an abuse report, as well. Sure, ignore the actual stuff, but once the resmod gets called out you somehow manage to produce a permaban in under a half hour. Astonishing. Clearly to get anything done around here we'll have to ask the griefers to call you naughty names while they're harassing us!
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Talarus Luan
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11-27-2006 21:01
From: Banking Laws Remove this resmod who has called forum regulars trolls and repeatedly locked threads which were appropriate. He has even engaged in gaybashing in his latest tirade... /327/4a/151319/1.html /327/87/148535/1.htmlHmmm. I didn't see anything even REMOTELY approaching "gaybashing" in either of those threads. Perhaps you could quote it for me and explain how it is "gaybashing"?
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Joshua Nightshade
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11-27-2006 21:41
From: Talarus Luan Hmmm. I didn't see anything even REMOTELY approaching "gaybashing" in either of those threads. Perhaps you could quote it for me and explain how it is "gaybashing"? It was the dildo comment. Granted I personally, being a homo, would find that to be a stretch, but Strife has said many, many hateful things without provocation that this would only be the tip of it.
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Talarus Luan
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11-28-2006 00:15
Well, it is kinda hard to set the context without the original message, I grant you that.
However, I haven't seen him post anything that I would consider "hateful".
However, I haven't been around forever, either. Still, I can only determine things based on the facts as I know them, so...
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Banking Laws
Realty Serious
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11-28-2006 04:57
From: Osgeld Barmy Strife Onizuka has been one of the most stable res-mods out there when i flag a post its usually strife who gets on it, and pretty asap (unlike er some lindens, who would take MONTHS to snuff a hate filled flamefest) and sofar, altho i may not agree with them all of the time, ive seen nothing wrong in her posts or mod actions Calling forum regulars trolls, bashing Joshua for his sexuality, and closing threads which caused no disturbance and were in line with the forums guidelines. Nope nothing wrong there you cockgobbling troll flamer. Since you see nothing wrong with what strife did, ARing this comment would be against what you just stated. From: Graciella Princess My personal suggestion is that if you have an issue with a resmod, try to talk to them about it calmly and like an adult. You don't have to agree with their decisions and they don't need your approval. You just have to abide by them. Kind of like living in your parents house. You don't have to like the rules. You don't have to approve of the rules. But as long as you live in their house, you live with their rules.
Hes the one throwing insults and degrading. He's the one not acting like an adult, so why am I going to go to him and act like he is? Hes a resident, thats all, not a Linden, and his 'authority' means absolutely nothing to me. Strife hasn't followed the rules, so why the hell should I?
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Banking Laws
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11-28-2006 04:59
From: Graciella Princess My personal suggestion is that if you have an issue with a resmod, try to talk to them about it calmly and like an adult. You don't have to agree with their decisions and they don't need your approval. You just have to abide by them. Kind of like living in your parents house. You don't have to like the rules. You don't have to approve of the rules. But as long as you live in their house, you live with their rules.
Hes the one throwing insults and degrading. He's the one not acting like an adult, so why am I going to go to him and act like he is? Hes a resident, thats all, not a Linden, and his 'authority' means absolutely nothing to me. Strife hasn't followed the rules, so why the hell should I?
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Belaya Statosky
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11-28-2006 05:02
Perhaps the fact that there are multiple threads on the first page of this subforum discussing the ResMod in question -- some months old now -- should say there's a problem that's perhaps being overlooked. Lo's thread and my own thread covered some rather serious (by forum standards, anyway) concerns about over-zealous moderation and conduct. This situation hasn't really changed, ultimately. It's funny, upon re-reading one of my old posts in the above threads I had predicted that General and such were likely going to vanish. If I was to make another guess: this current situation will be ignored until ultimately the ResMod program will be removed, likely with the Resident Answers forum with it. That's unfortunate, because it's really only one or two people ruining the program.
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Gabe Lippmann
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11-28-2006 05:25
From: Belaya Statosky there's a problem that's perhaps being overlooked. or ignored.
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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11-28-2006 05:27
Every ex-Resmod I've talked to has said that the program was a complete failure in their eyes. A few of them are over at Second Citizen now. This forum would be much better if it wasn't Resmod'd, so other volunteer groups could be more comfortable "hanging out" here without gleefully playing hall monitor.
Regards,
-Flip
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Belaya Statosky
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11-28-2006 05:27
From: Gabe Lippmann or ignored. I used overlooked without specifying intentional or otherwise just because it makes no difference, either way.
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Flavian Molinari
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11-28-2006 06:07
Many people already have a problem with LL customer service yet they let shit like this continue.
Why?
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Joshua Nightshade
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11-28-2006 06:53
I imagine those of you defending his actions also defend him coming to SecondCitizen and threatening the admin with a DMCA notice because I posted the rude/harassing PMs he has sent me here, as well?
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