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This 'no linking to locked threads' shenanigans needs to be curbed a bit

Belaya Statosky
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07-13-2006 04:35
It was under my interpretation that the sole purpose of curbing the linking to locked threads was to prevent people who had their threads locked from starting a new post and simply linking to the old as a way of cutely trying to repost a thread. I'm fine with that, however, this is where I am now raising an objection:

Someone, despite their poor behavior that more than earned what they had coming to them, decided to link to a closed thread in the course of a conversation and was immediately lept upon by a ResMod. This is totally unaccecptable because it's not a circumvention of 'no-reposting', it's a restriction of what can and cannot be discussed no matter if the conversation in the thread may have been on topic and worth discussing.

Just because a thread has been locked does not mean at no point did it not contain something useful, usually located at the beginning before a thread is derailed.

If this sort of interpretation continues you might as well just remove the threads from display at all since they serve no purpose and they're 'not meant to be seen or discussed ever', which is too silly for me to even get into.
Eddy Stryker
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07-13-2006 04:37
Please lock this thread.
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Belaya Statosky
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07-13-2006 04:41
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Please lock this thread.


I concur. This thread should be locked because someone might read it, find the thread I was discussing and then wind up seeing a link to a locked thread, which makes this a thread with a memetic link to a locked thread and thus should be locked.
Introvert Petunia
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07-13-2006 04:48
Woah, I though the point of forums.secondlife was shenanigans. :confused:
Belaya Statosky
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07-13-2006 04:53
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Woah, I though the point of forums.secondlife was shenanigans. :confused:


Actually the objectives are similar to that of Double Fanucci.
Kris Ritter
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07-13-2006 04:57
I think the interpretation shifts slightly in extenuating circumstances: if you're being a total dickhead, as in this case, you get harsher treatment.

It's not exactly harsh, tho, when you just have to spend a whole 5 minutes making an alt so you can carry on being a dickhead, as in this case.
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Belaya Statosky
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07-13-2006 05:00
From: Kris Ritter
I think the interpretation shifts slightly in extenuating circumstances: if you're being a total dickhead, as in this case, you get harsher treatment.

It's not exactly harsh, tho, when you just have to spend a whole 5 minutes making an alt so you can carry on being a dickhead, as in this case.


Ah, but see, you had such a cornucopia of delights to choose from with that person that it wasn't really needed to throw that in there as well. I just don't want another bad precedent forming, is all.
Kris Ritter
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07-13-2006 05:04
From: Belaya Statosky
Ah, but see, you had such a cornucopia of delights to choose from with that person that it wasn't really needed to throw that in there as well. I just don't want another bad precedent forming, is all.


The problem is, I think they feel compelled to give a 'valid' reason. I mean, if you just locked the thread with something like 'enough, please' or 'this is going nowhere' or 'stop being a fucktard' people would start screaming about arbitrary locking of threads without a sufficient ToS or CS based reason.

And if they do, people start arguing the semantics of the reason given. :p

They just can't really win either way. I kinda feel sorry for the resmods in that respect, but at the same time, they bring it on themselves, so meh! :p
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Belaya Statosky
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07-13-2006 05:11
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The problem is, I think they feel compelled to give a 'valid' reason. I mean, if you just locked the thread with something like 'enough, please' or 'this is going nowhere' or 'stop being a fucktard' people would start screaming about arbitrary locking of threads without a sufficient ToS or CS based reason.

And if they do, people start arguing the semantics of the reason given. :p

They just can't really win either way. I kinda feel sorry for the resmods in that respect, but at the same time, they bring it on themselves, so meh! :p


There were two entirely other reasons listed on top of the one I'm objecting to, like I said. I seriously doubt anyone is going to sit down and *seriously* argue that those two weren't applying at the time. Those were enough for action to be taken, alone.

I'm only taking this one objection on ethical grounds, here. I also don't quite buy that they need to grasp straws to come up with valid reasons. Either it's entirely evident that there's an issue or they sit back and wait and chip in with a comment if stuff starts to veer off where all threads tend to on a long enough timeline.
Kris Ritter
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07-13-2006 05:23
I agree with ya.

But I think that allowing them to put a stop to that kind of disruption earlier on would be perceived as giving the already unpopular resmod programme even more power, whether thats the case or not. You've got two options really - you can suspend the person causing trouble or you can close the thread.

As it is, since resmods dont get to suspend outright, threads get locked for review or outright closed and that means that people with a vendetta or axe to grind can get a thread closed so easily when there was a valid discussion taking place. So when it's that obvious what is going on, it should probably be curbed early on - which is going to mean resmods being able to suspend people in a timely fashion... which judging by current performance means without a Linden's explicit say so. Which is going to cause uproar. All IMHO, of course.

Like I say, I just dont think they can win whatever they do.
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Eggy Lippmann
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07-13-2006 05:29
Let me show you how ridiculous these rules are.

1) Make a valid thread
2) Malicious user posts a link to a locked thread in it
3) Valid thread is locked
4) Valid thread cannot be ressurrected because of the "No Repost" rule
Kris Ritter
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07-13-2006 05:30
From: Eggy Lippmann
Let me show you how ridiculous these rules are.

1) Make a valid thread
2) Malicious user posts a link to a locked thread in it
3) Valid thread is locked
4) Valid thread cannot be ressurrected because of the "No Repost" rule


That's pretty much what Belaya and I wuz just bitching about!

Link please, Eggy? :D :p
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07-13-2006 05:36
Here's a thread you might find interesting: /108/af/120427/1.html

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Belaya Statosky
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07-13-2006 05:37
From: Eggy Lippmann
Let me show you how ridiculous these rules are.

1) Make a valid thread
2) Malicious user posts a link to a locked thread in it
3) Valid thread is locked
4) Valid thread cannot be ressurrected because of the "No Repost" rule


Yeah, that was running in the back of my mind. In your example now, that valid thread is verboten to link to or further discuss on top of that -- even if it was valid or would later apply to a conversation. That's pretty much the entire basis of why I'm saying this is silly.
Kris Ritter
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07-13-2006 05:38
From: Eddy Stryker
Here's a thread you might find interesting: /108/af/120427/1.html

;)


Yeah, I made not-so-veiled mention of that earlier. Btw, enjoy your suspension. And thanks for closing the thread! :mad: :mad: :mad:

:p

aww fuck it. I'm gonna get suspended for quoting you, arent I?
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Belaya Statosky
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07-13-2006 05:40
From: Eddy Stryker
Here's a thread you might find interesting: /108/af/120427/1.html

;)


Oh man, you doomed this thread. Now we'll never be able to discuss being able to discuss threads that were locked because the thread about this discussion was locked. :eek:
Kris Ritter
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07-13-2006 05:44
From: Belaya Statosky
Oh man, you doomed this thread. Now we'll never be able to discuss being able to discuss threads that were locked because the thread about this discussion was locked. :eek:


*head explodes*

Wait, if we make a thread about 'anything' and get it closed... we wont be able to discuss anything ever again and they can just close the forums!
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07-13-2006 05:45
Depends on if the resmods know you and like you
Belaya Statosky
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07-13-2006 05:46
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*head explodes*

Wait, if we make a thread about 'anything' and get it closed... we wont be able to discuss anything ever again and they can just close the forums!


BRILLIANT!!!
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07-13-2006 05:57
From: Belaya Statosky
BRILLIANT!!!
*spanks Kris and Belaya for getting the forums locked...
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Eggy Lippmann
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07-13-2006 06:22
From: Belaya Statosky
Oh man, you doomed this thread. Now we'll never be able to discuss being able to discuss threads that were locked because the thread about this discussion was locked. :eek:

Don't worry bel-bel, the people responsible for locking this thread have been sacked <3