Residents, Please Decline LL Invitations to Become a Resmod

A resident can be against the ResMod program without buying into your either-or premise.

I said if I came over agressive or man-with-a-stick like, I'd edit and apolagise.

Whether threads moved belonged in the forums they were moved to is the Lindens decision. And whenever there has been a dispute as to whether a thread has belonged in a specific forum, I have submitted them for Linden review for clarification.

Zap

I couldn't care less whether or not you have considered resigning... You've already got a closed mind about it. I didn't ever call on you to resign. I'd prefer the ResMod program be canned. That solves all problems with it.

You can't violate unwritten ResMod guidelines since they don't exist - and the ones that do apparently are incomplete, provide unclear guidance, and/or are essentially useless in attaining the stated goal of a more convivial forum environment. However, it seems relatively obvious that there is an unwritten expectation in most forums that moderators are expected to separate personal perspectives from their roles/actions. Your responses in this thread seem to illustrate an inability to do so. Obviously, you'll disagree. SFW.

That you would participate in the forums "as I would have (not) as a ResMod" is exactly the point. As a ResMod, you are NOT merely a resident anymore. If you can't understand that... well, it's pointless to continue to try to help you see in your darkness.

The ResMod and Forum Guidelines help a lot.

As far as I see it, I still am a "mere" resident, just one who can move and close threads in the forums. It shouldn't seperate me from anything or anyone.

Nothing said here effects me personally, as I've already stated I take everything said here with a grain of salt. And things said in the forum stay in the forum with me.

Here's a grain of salt for you..Try.. notice I asked you to TRY... to explain how that level of arrogance engenders any positive feeling towards the program, you as a ResMod or even, by extension, to LL since you are acting as a minion/unpaid employee?

Try to explain how that is supposed to make anyone reading this thread believe you when you say that you take everything with a grain of salt?

Try to explain how that is not a defensive statement at best or one that shows your unfitness to continue as a ResMod at worst?

Seriously... if it wasn't you making such egregious errors, eventually another ResMod would. My comments aren't about YOU, per se. It's about the flawed premise of the ResMod program - that residents can self-moderate under this implementation.

Oh you SO do not take everything with a grain of salt. CASE IN POINT:



(emphasis mine - not Zap's)

Those are not the words of a person taking everything with a grain of salt.

And, btw, no I'm not trying to provoke a reaction. I don't have to. You started reacting long before I entered the fray. You decided to turn a general post made by me into something directed towards you. In so doing, you invited opinion on your own moderation. I gave my opinion. Others have done the same.

Frankly I have nothing against you personally. I don't know you and you seem like a nice guy. I think you apply moderation unfairly, I think you are really not fit to do the job but notice that when I was speaking in generalities that I said that I didn't think the anyone who actually wanted the job should get it. Until you took it personally, I didn't apply it personally. But this is not a reflection of you as a person. I don't think I could do a better job. I don't think ANYONE could. Except someone pretty much totally uninterested in doing it. I think your problem, largely, is that you are too interested.

I hate the resmod program. I hated it when they proposed it, I rather suspected that no good would come of it, and I think, if it is to continue, that the number of resmods should be reduced by at least half and that the guidelines should be vastly eased with respect to moving and locking threads.

Again, you are a moderator. Not a police. You've turned into the forum police. Which, I suppose, is fine if you want people treating you like a cop giving out a speeding ticket but you know its kind of hard to participate on friendly level while dishing out speeding citations to the same people you want to be friends with.

Give the Res Mods a break!Perhaps they should be given Linden Accounts and names to perform their work. Then they could property deal with residents that get out of line insead of sendig the problem to a higher level.

I have never seen so much fuss over volenteer help. Here have some cheese with your whine!

I forget what he was referring to but P.J. O'Rourke describe some government entity (the Drug Tzar?) as "being responsible for a big mess and given the same amount of civil authority as Ann Landers". I sort of feel that the ResMods have been placed in roughly the same position.

The forum moderation guidelines were poorly defined prior to the establishment of the ResMods. The "poor application" as some people have called it was comprised of this bad definition combined with insufficient time from the more-or-less singular moderator caused ill-will before the ResMods were announced.

Now we've got ResMods who don't wield a stick, they get a slew of ARs and (to the best of my understanding) have two options available to them: 1) move a thread, 2) lock a thread pending Linden Review.

I do not envy any of the ResMods their assignment (make this a nicer place) combined with whatever training they might get (the rules seem no better defined now than previously, so it seems they could only be trained in ambiguity) combined with the amount of power they've been granted (essentially none) combined with a goodly amount of contempt for the program and the posters who are trying to show by example its faults. Add to that one can taunt a ResMod with an impugnity that you could never do a Linden and you have - well... more or less what we've got.

I echo the sentiment of the title only because ResMods are asked to achieve essentially the impossible given the powers they have and it seems like that can only result in frustration for any ResMod.

You keep saying your comments aren't about me, while still directing them at me and quoting my posts.

Rewind to straight after the post my comment was made to, by that point it was already being directed as me, because I made the huge error of answering a question directed at ResMods.

What was I supposed to say? "I'm so glad you feel like that!". I didn't make personal attacks, I didn't do anything wrong. I stated my opinion in the matter,



Yes they are, if I had launched into a fully fledged defence I'd be with you on that, I simply said it wasn't up to you. Its up to the Lindens to decide.



Why was answering a question, directed at all ResMods, such a big mistake? Why did it suddenly make you hostile towards me? I simply mention why I signed up to be a ResMod. I didn't invite you to conduct a complete analysis on my performance.



I didn't take it personally, I mentioned my reasons for joining, I don't know why you have such a problem with me doing so. You applyed the question generally to ResMods, of which, I am one, so I answered the question.




I'm moving threads to where they belong. I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. If I move threads its over moderation and policing, if I don't move threads I'm a waste of space and inconsistant.

I'm no longer going to reply to this thread, as its rapidly becoming a private discussion. If anyone has any questions or wants to contact me, please PM, IM or email me.

Zap

Uh.. Sorry. Take the above comments with your own salt. YOU responded to this thread before I did. Your first response was defensive. That made it personal.

I quote you so that you can't accuse me of putting words in your mouth. I can make up other words should you choose.. but you won't like them.

Your "I'm no longer going to reply to this thread" reminds me of the last episode of the MASH series --- Goodbye. Farewell. Amen.

Now, if only that were what we could say to the entire ResMod program.

Pot -> Kettle -> Black

Gosh! This thread is a good example of human nature at work.

A forum is most effective only in technical discussions. Social discussions have a greater tendency to degenerate into flame wars and personal attacks, because social discussion involves feelings and personal opinions, and most people don't have the writing skills to express those in a concise manner. So misinterpretation abounds...

Just look at the technical forum, or the scripting tips forum. I rarely see flame wars or drama there. Just helpful people and curious people asking for help.

The rest of the forums here are pretty much useless opinion soup. Not including the classified and related forums.

So, why shoot the resmod? Well, it's human nature to shoot the one in front of you in the back. If anyone is "perceived" to have greater power than the average population, that person automatically becomes a target of scrutiny by the average population. Then every action that person takes will become amplified in the mind of the average people and given a negative bias, because a person with "perceived" greater power than ourself is a threat to our control over our own life.

Solution: give the power to forum user to move their own threads... so when a thread is not in the right place, the originator of the thread can move it. The job of the resmod would be to ask politely the originator if he could please move his thread in the proper forum. This could also be suggested by other regular forum users as well. Thus there would be a level of self-moderation built-in the forum.

Everyone claims there should be freedom and democratic system everywhere. So why not give everyone the power to correct their own mistakes? If I post a message in the wrong forum, give me a good reason to correct my mistake, then give me the means to correct it. Not only will I have learned something, but I will have the incentive to be more carefull next time I post.

To have one's post arbitrarily moved here and there by a total stranger in a position of "perceived" power is frustrating at best.

Flame me now, I don't care, I got an asbestos suit on...

Wow... a methane waft blows in from the pig farm, um peanut gallery next door.

If you haven't something to add to the discussion at hand... without invalid premises underlying your argument.. why do you come here?

Can you spell TROLL?

I knew that you could.

Watch out.. the sun's about to rise.

Do you have to practice being so unpleasant? Or does it just come naturally? I have read this thread with increasing sense that the resmod program ought to be reinforced.

I was against it when introduced. The personal attacks over the past few days have convinced me that I was wrong. We do need resmods.
Cali

You probably should have stopped right there.

You obviously don't know or don't care that she followed me to this thread from another where I pointed out that her argument was flawed in its core.

So... I notice that you apparently had no problem with her post directed at me... yet you chose to single mine out for comment?

As a consequence, let me ask you....do YOU have to be so selectively negative? I didn't think so. You chose to be.

Picabo, with all due respect - many of your posts to today's resmod threads have been filled with heavy sarcasm and personal slams of one form or another.

Surely your position on this topic is strong enough to stand on its own without resorting to disrespecting your fellow residents? Even if you feel you've been slammed yourself - dropping to that level only serves to make your position appear weaker to those of us sitting on the fence.

The atmosphere around here appears to be becoming one where opposing viewpoints to the "anti-resmod debate" are unwelcome.

My position has nothing to do with my response to a well-known troll actively seeking out one of my posts to troll. I have yet to be truly disrepectful to anyone... sarcastic, perhaps - yet far from much that has passed uncommented upon.

As for making my position appear weaker, I am not attempting to convince anyone of anything. I am simply expressing my perspectice on just how bad this program is - and using the posts of one who is intimately involved in that program as a means of illustrating just how bad it is to make my points.

As far as I am concerned, you and everyone else are certainly "welcome" to make any point you choose -- unless and until a ResMod decides that your post is inappropriate. closes the thread, edits your post to take out the "meat" of it, or someone decides to AR you for doing so.

Said before I could type it. I agree with the above.

Also, I STILL think ResMods not having some clear way to indicate that they are ResMods at a particular time, and not being required to clear their promotional signature is unprofessional.

I'm not going to try and quote the rest of the back and forth engendered by Picabo's post, but here is my bit.

Nothing personal Zap, but consider...

If you were a Linden employee, you would not be able to inject your personal opinion into a thread. If you did, it's likely that you wouldn't be one for long. That's professional. Blurring the lines between resident and ResMod serves no ones interest. I don't want to have to guess if it's your opinion or the word from on high.

LL needs to either hire someone to full time moderate, or drop most of the forums. This experiment is not working.

P.S. I just don't bother usually posting to these threads because I'm certain that it's as useful as talking to the wall.

As this thread has descended into quoting out of context, insults and generally being bitchy. How about we get a resmod to hold us apart like small children, say something like "if you can't play nice.....", and close the thread.

Look, I don't want to exacerbate things here, but seriously... why do you have to make this so personal?

I am not "following you" I merely comment on threads that I am following.

I saw you say that someone had their "mind made up about" something when it was clear that you also have your mind made up about the resmod program. You say so yourself over and over again. How is that off-topic or personal or anything other than a valid factual comment on your comment?

Then I go off to walk the doggie and come back and you have posted three separate personal insults aimed at me in one short post. (I smell like farts, I am a Troll, and I am a vampire?)

Not sure I even understand the insults actually.

What I did is not "trolling" in the Internet sense of the term at all. Unless you mean I am a Troll in the sense of a "fairy-tale" troll, (that doesn't like sunlight and farts a lot.)

I'm sure you can do better than this. Perhaps your "insult" skill will evolve over time.

A good argument for the elimination of the resmods would be if people could behave themselves without moderation, something I personally believe in (if you'd ever cared to ask or looked up my previous posts you'd know that).

Your behaviour however, is just proof that you can't control yourself and need someone else to do it for you IMO and a good advertisement for exactly why resmods might be needed.

Sounds good to me

Do you reeally want me to make you a liar?

fine, i did it with Lee linden I can do it with you

prior to my age play parody that you locked and got me a warning for, when did I even mention resmods?

(btw, there was no hard feelings for that, took it with a grain of salt, however, the assault on my posts changed my tune significantly)

How many locked threads prior to that thread?

How many locked or move threads since that thread?

Zap, you are lying, creative, blind, or you are mistaking me for someone else

the search function works, go through every damn resmod thread and show me where I complained

show me where i butt heads with any resmods?

it wasn't a concern of mine until everything I posted got moved or locked

then I felt stupid for not opposing this nonsense from the start

but go on, make things up about me, i can take it

hardly behavior one expects from someone in a position of authority

thing is, i don't have to make up things about you if I wanted to discredit you...

As long as some ninny screams "YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MODDER! YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!"

Keep it up, children.

QFT

I would pay to see this.