Residents, Please Decline LL Invitations to Become a Resmod

This is stressing certain people out, both resmods and regular powerless residents

it is causing very hurt feelings and bad juju

please do not accept the position if LL offers you the job of ResMod for the good of the community

this has been a catastrophic failure and continuing the program will further alienate, harm, and frustrate residents

please don't put yourself in the line of fire

I agree. The majority of forum goers have expressed their disapproval of the resmod program. If you really want to help forumgoers, -don't- sign up or accept.

I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with the idea of residents moderating the forums. Somebodys got to do it.

Bottom line, don't just moan. Suggest.

I don't think you can say the majority of forumgoers are against it.

The ones who are are certainly voluble.
Cali

I agree, ninjafoo.

We (res-mods) do not have the "power" that the O.P. suggests--well, we don't have any tools at our disposal, really, that are not at the disposal of each and every forum participant. Consider: any individual interested in nurturing a positive forum culture can actively work to bring it about. I don't mean that everything in the forums must be inanely positive, but any individual, myself included, can work to discourage "flaming and trolling," general unfairness, and utter chaos by participating in threads that foster open and relevant discussion.

How you can say that when you seem to be to top 2 culprits when it comes to creaing strss and bad feeling about or against the ResMods I don't know.

I choose not to take either of your advice, I couldn't care less if I was in the line of fire, which I have been.

Jonas: While you continue to say the majority of forum goers disagree with the ResMod program, you fail to mention this is based on a forum poll. Think about it, if you disagree with something you're A LOT more likely to go and vote on a poll about it than if you agree or have no strong feelings about it either way.

It just so happens the ones who are against it like to create threads...

That's not entirely true. I don't like it much, and I rarely create threads, and I know of a few other people who feel the same way, and rarely create threads.

Ok, lets say there are a very specific few people who like to create threads specifically about ResMods or to create bad feeling about or towards them, or to persuade people not to sign up

I didn't mean to say ALL the people who disagree with the ResMod program create threads..

I disagree with this statement. I think there are others who have been fairly vociferous about their poor opinion ResMod program. I have seen complaints about it not just in threads about ResMods but in many other threads having nothing to do with ResMods at all, and few of them from Mulch or Jonas. I'd quote them here, but most of them have been moved/closed/locked or whatever and I can't find them atm...maybe after I get some coffee and commit to spending my day with forums I'll do that (if this thread isn't locked, closed and moved by then)

Much better Zap


I understand it's a hard job, though if one can't keep one's cool, one probably shouldn't be doing it. LL would save a lot of grief for themselves if they actually hired somebody and paid them to be a moderator.

Actually, Cali, I can. My own poll, and Metaverses messenger's showed more users were AGAINST the resmod program than were FOR or NEUTRAL.

How would it be any different? People are bound to think some of their decisions are wrong and start threads just like this one.

Hehe, well, I try to keep my cool most of the time.



I'm not saying its down to a few people.

Please try not to quote from Locked threads (which are the same as closed threads).

Zap

But then they would be paid employyes. Not people who are untrained, picked agasint their consent, and a whole lot less likely to show favortism.

You do a pretty good job at keeping your cool because you don't take all the abuse personally. I'm just sayin' others aren't so good at it.

If you would be so kind as to direct me to a thread where I've shown favoritism via PM I would be very much obliged, until then, could you please not make such statements.

I also think 2 years experiencing these forums is very effective training.



Well thank you I try to leave what happens in the forums in the forums, and not allow it to effect my Second Life.

Zap

I am not against the Res Mod program. If anything I approve of it!

The very fact that any ResMod would participate in this thread while actually acting as a ResMod is part and parcel of the argument why the ResMod program is poorly conceived, poorly monitored by LL and poorly implemented. I was against the program when it was announced and become more and more against it with each additional piece of knowledge (ex., closed, edited, deleted threads and 99% of ResMod posts) I come across.

Zap, you werent around when certian threads remained up simply becaus eof well.. we can't really tell. Ads were swiped off general quick, yet this one (about some art thing in washington) remained for far longer than it should have...

Well I apolagise for defending myself, but I feel its allowed, under the ResMod program.

I didn't see the bit where it said I wasn't allowed to participate in the forums as well as be a ResMod.



Well there are many possible explinations for that, one being time zones, one that effects me a lot, being in Europe.

I think a lot of the problem is that the resmods are more able to moderate the forum than just one linden person. When it was just Jeska not a lot of threads got locked or moved because Jeska didn't have time to do it all and just dealt with the more egregious threads. IMHO that's how moderation ought to go.

Personally I do think the resmods are over zealous. I think they take their job WAY too seriously. And I don't think its a job that should be given to anyone who wants it. Kind of a catch 22 there but I've been a large active forum moderator before and its a thankless job that will leave you depressed and regarding humanity by the lowest common denominator. Why anyone would want this job is beyond me and "oh I want to help" doesn't cut it. If you want to help, go be an instructor, live helper or mentor. The only person you help by moderating a forum is yourself. I do think its a power trip in this regard.

One has only to look at the amount of locked and moved threads lately to understand why people are upset at the resmods. It probably wouldn't have been so bad had you all not started moving threads all over the place. But it just got ridiculous. And yeah... there's a rule somewhere saying that appropriate threads have to be in appropriate forums and you can hide behind that if you like -- but lets be clear that the result of this will be resentment and the actual purpose (rather than hiding behind a rule) will be fuzzy at best and lead to charges of power trips. Kind of like whats happening in this thread and others.

Telling someone willing to actually go through all the threads and find out if the resentment lies in one or two people rather than many that she shouldn't look in locked threads is kind of silly because you pretty much end up locking all the threads that criticize the resmods. If you don't lock them, you move them. Which in turn leads to more resentment and charges of you being on power trips.

Anyway I think you've brought this on yourselves and I only see it getting worse. At some point people are going to go into full scale revolt mode and start making threads for the express purpose of keeping you busy moving them around. Hell I've seen threads that one resmod moved, then another resmod moved elsewhere, only to have yet another resmod move it to the original place the first resmod moved it and then have the original poster start a thread about the exact same subject in the exact same forum only worded differently and not moved at all. This is crazy. No wonder people are pissed.

Then that still leaves out one major question:

Why did it stay up for days with posts moved from both before and after it?

Uh huh.

My post was not ABOUT YOU. It was about ANY ResMod "defending" - especially in what is obviously a thread intended to troll any ResMod/the forums in general. By responding, you only aggravated the situation by showing an inability to separate yourself from the role you are filling.

Thus, a ResMod "failed"... again. In doing so, this provides support for my argument that this program is flawed, was doomed at the start and will not end well.

(This is not intended as a personal insult.. It is a comment I would make to any ResMod who participated in this thread as you have.)

I agree with Zap.

Jonas's poll is not exactly scientific (or even fair). He is one of the "specific people" who spent a lot of time and energy rallying people to vote on that thing. Even then, then results are less than compelling. I don't feel that it represents the voice of the average forum reader at all.

I am here everyday and I post as much as anyone. From my point of view the forums are moderated in a reasonably consistent fashion (making allowances for human error), and are even slightly fairer than they were before.

Because there is now more than one set of eyes making the decisions it gets around the "one persons opinion" problem. By the same token, because there are a lot of individuals looking at the posts, every once in a while a resmod sees something they think is wrong that likely no one else would agree with. The important thing is that these decisions are quickly reversed or corrected by the resmods as a group. During this process I also see much more input into the resmods decisions by the forum community than was previously apparent and much more communication. This is bad?

Why, because your friends latest joke post was moved?

The nay-sayers here are just focussing on every little error and mistake by these (presumably human) resmods, and endlessly taking them to task over it because they did not like the program in the first place. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy if you ask me, not a real problem.

Even if you think there are problems with the resmod program, you can tell there is an agenda here by the use of this kind of hyperbole. You'd think we were talking of a plague or ethnic cleansing by the language used here. Maybe it has some problems but to call it a "catastrophic failure" is way over the top. It just isn't that bad.

Either post the copious amounts of hard evidence needed to back up these "chicken little" statements and a solid, realistic positive alternative to the current program or stop yelling about this, please.

i don't know...

show me how to write a dramatic post, put it in the wrong forum, and lock it.

or how about letting me move a thread?

or how about letting me lock a thread?