Residents, Please Decline LL Invitations to Become a Resmod

First rule of ResMods. Don't talk about ResMods. Second Rule of ResMods .......

Notice the word "to" as opposed to "about" in my post?

I knew that you did. H.A.N.D!

I agree, and have said so in other threads, Jeska didn't have to time to watch over the forums the amount that 5 or 6 ResMods can.



I'm already a Mentor, Instructor, LiveHelper and Greeter. The reason I signed up to be a forum mod? It was gonna happen either way and I think I can do it well, even if there is a slight learning curve. Its an experience whatever you say



It may not have been reported, and therefore their attention may not have been drawn to it quite as fast as the others. I very much doubt all ResMods about at the time were in favor of leaving the post there simply because they like or are friends with the poster of the thread.

However, I wasn't around and can't say for sure what happened.



Thank you Dianne! I think a lot of people see the Lindens as, well, not human. I did and probably still do in the back of my mind somewhere, so when Jeska moved threads, no one would disagree. Of course they doll out the punishments too

Zap

This, I'm baffled by. This is PART of the role I'm filling. I don't see how showing my point of view is failing, at all.

This is your opinion, however I don't agree or understand it.

Way to take a statement out of context.




Well since you decided to make my GENERAL post that was directed at NO ONE PERSON a statement about you ... lets go there. Lets also be clear who it was that decided to personalize this.

I don't think you are doing a good job. I think you are too apt to move a thread when no thing and no person would have been harmed by your leaving it alone. I think you look for opportunities to take action, rather than having to do so reluctantly. I don't think you think your job is moderate. I think you think your job is to police. There is a difference.

I think you are personally responsible for creating an atmosphere of resentment. Not you alone certainly but definitely a large part of it. I think your participation on this thread alone, which certainly didn't start directed at you or any one person, is proof positivie of your too active moderation and that you do take any criticism directed at the resmods personally. I think you are unfit for this job and should resign and I think you will ultimately come to resent us all and resign anyway.

Gonna lock the thread now for something you, yourself started? Still going to try to convince us all how you are unbiased?

Ya know... all the negative sentiments I'm reading now about resmods, were previously being made about Jeska, and Robin before her. To say that you'd prefer a paid LL employee is just lies! Before resmods, you gave them the same grief. You just have new targets now, and ones who can't even defend themselves.

I won't comment over whether the ResMods have been overzealous or not. The fact is that the threads they move needed moving. So what if they don't catch them all? The paid moderators never caught them all either. If you don't like the way these forums are moderated, then go post elsewhere and stop insulting the integrity of a group of people who are only trying to help keep order here.

Obviously.Self-assigned or LL defined?Therein lies the problem as I illustrate in the previous statement. If you act as a Linden minion, paid or unpaid, then your comments reflect their policy while you do so. As such, if you can't separate your individual perspective from the role you are filling.... well, you know what my opinion of this program is.Wow. How insightful. How non-obvious. How wonderful it is for you to tell me that!

Your responses in this thread are about as close to a moderator actually engaging in "trolling" as I have ever seen. YMMV

OK. No, I am not a liar.

I used to occasionally complain about something Jeska had done. I don't like forum moderation, partly because it is usually done ineptly, partly because I am in favour of free speech.

But I would much rather have Jeska than the total mess we have now. Resident moderation is a foolish path to follow, and it can never work, unless you have a rigid system of scrutiny built in.

I am so sick of the way the forums are now I don't really know why I am bothering to write this. So I will stop now.

If a resmod is to respond to a discussion about resmod's, it impossible for the response not to be based on personal experience. How is Zap's participation moderation? Has he performed an act of moderation in this thread, or do you resent his resmod status so much that any input on any subject by a Zap (or any other resmod) is an act of moderation.

Well, I wasn't referring to you in particular, but to the whole anti-resmod attitude I've seen here. Basically, when there was just Linden moderation, there were cries for a more slashdot-like resident moderation system cos the Lindens were (overworked/not there/unfair/misunderstood/out-of-the-loop/whatever) ... so guess what ... we got what we asked for... not what we all wanted perhaps, but what the vocal few screamed for for months.

He took several posts meant to apply in general to the overall program and refuted them by making them about himself. This is pretty self-evident in his posts.

we asked for?

anyhow... as i recall.. there were many people who vocally opposed the slashdot moderation - primarily because they saw how poorly that worked.

I think that the sense is that Zap's responses have not been "moderate" in tone. Rather, they were defensive - from a personal level vice from an objective one with the perspective of distacnce. Granted that may seem like asking for a lot... but, his responses are fairly clearly defensive and therein lies the problem in "this" thread....

Were other ResMods entering similar thread and making similar comments, I'd say the same thing.

Over time, the calls for it seemed - to me at least - more vocal than those against. Maybe it appeared that way to LL too.

It wouldn't be the first time either that LL responded to calls for something, and then the tide of popular opinion turned and it was all wrong...

hang in there Zap its simply a damned if ya do or damned if ya dont situation

I was simply answering the question. I didn't ask you to fully analyze my performance as a ResMod. I was answering for myself, no one else. You made a general statement, I made it clear you can't generalise like that.



Its your personal opinion that I'm not doing a good job, and you're entitled to it.

I'd like to know which people ARE harmed by threads going in the right place. In some cases, its to prevent cross posting, people who look for a thread on a subject they are about to post about, so as not to cross post. They find nothing, start a new thread, and we get cross posting.



I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. I think you are trying to get a reaction out of me. And its not gonna happen. I take anything said on these forums with a grain of salt, none of this is worth getting upset or angry over.

Whether you think I am unfit has nothing to do with you, frankly its none of your bussiness. And if this thread has done anything, its made damn sure I'm not resigning due to other peoples opinions of me.

I don't resent anyone, anything thats said in the forum stays in the forum, as far as I'm concerned. If I resign it will be because I don't have the time or have other things to do, or decide to focus on LiveHelping and Mentoring.



I'm not going to lock the thread, as I don't beleieve it warrents closing, and I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Why you have suddenly become hostile towards me I don't know.

While some of my comments and posts in this specific thread were made as a ResMod, a large amount were as a resident.

Why you think I'm creating bad feeling towards or between anyone is beyond me. All I've done is stated my opinion. Something you haven't hesitated in doing yourself.

says the man wielding the stick...

As I've already stated, a large amount of my posts are said as a resident. I agreed with the ResMod program long before I became one. And I have always defended it.



I am part of the overall program, and answered it for myself. As far as I remember I simply stated my own reasons for signing up for the ResMod program. Why this bothered you so much I don't know.



I have always defended the ResMod program, before and since I have been part of it. Whether its from a personal level or not is neither here nor there. As long as it doesn't effect me, I don't see the problem.



No worries Toy

Used to it by now. My statements about the ResMod program would stand whether I was a ResMod or not.

LOL. I really hope I'm not giving off the impression of wielding a stick and if you could direct me to the post where I do I will review it and apolagise and edit it.

Zap

so...

uh...

do you support the resmod program?

And that should be the end of your participation in the ResMod program. Thank you for posting so clearly.

1. You publicly projected your personal feelings about another resident onto that resident in a public forum.

2. Those feelings were not positive, do not encourage free and open debate in the forums, and tread a thin line of personal attack.

3. You are obviously posting in a defensive manner --- directly responding to more than one resident.

4. That you would say "frankly, it's none of your bussiness" (sic) betrays a total lack of understanding of your role, responsibilities and understanding of human nature in the forums, IMO.

5. "...damn sure I'm not resigning"? And thus the mind goes closed, thinking ceases and defensiveness becomes entrenched.

This has been the latest episode of FORUM TRAIN WRECK.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled drahma.

then you'll undo some of your overeager moves?

Actually, I do agree with it, if you must know. Actually, I think the ResMods should also have the power to suspend (though not ban) repeat offenders.

I am participating in these forums, as I would have done ResMod or not.

I have no violated the Forum or ResMod guidelines.

I haven't considered resigning since signing up, and no, this thread hasn't swayed me one way or the other.

Zap

Are you folks who are aginst the res mod program willing to pay higher land tiers or pay for basic accounts in order to hire a Linden employee to moderate the forums?