thanks...for nothing

Wow, ARs against fellow mentors. I guess if it has come to that it really says something profound about where we are now. I don’t normally comment either here or on the email list. I just lurk and try to learn but I feel driven to comment on a few things today. Maybe cause the sun is out and I'm feeling optimistic.

Mentor Channel IMs: It was our channel until the Lindens took it away. I credit the “old” mentor channel with virtually everything I know about how to solve problems in SL. Mentors use to jump to each other’s aid in a second. Thank you old mentor channel and old helpful mentors. I miss you.

Mentals: Enjoyed it for a while but finally had to leave somewhere around the time it got rules. Started to remind me of what happened to the Mentor Channel. No offense, just no longer for me.

Mentor Q&A: Our last great hope for a real replacement to what the Mentor Channel use to be. The Jury is still out. Did any mentors with more than a few months experience join this group?

Restricted help islands: Do Newbies ever come here anymore? Please Please stop resetting my home location when I do. Simple check for Mentor group to leave home alone?

Help Island Public 1+2: I hate to say it because I use to hang out at the hub all the time. It’s too hard to mentor there anymore. Too many distractions. I still hang out in the sandbox for one-on-one help with building and scripting. I do have a solution though so this isn’t just a whine. Help Island should be configured like a welcome area with the intersection of 4 sims at the hub. Call the hub ring 1 and let as many people hang out here as they want. Just outside of the hub (ring 2), have a one-on-one mentoring area with a sign up at the hub pointing the way to help. The entire outside ring of help island public should be a sandbox on 2 sims, orientation island public style areas to relearn some basic skills on 1 sim, and a vehicle testing area including boats on the 4th sim. Mentors should be able to return any objects from the sandbox rezzed by avatars that are no longer on help island public sims. Then we could set auto-return to a more useful time like an hour. For in depth mentoring, a mentor should be able to offer a teleport to anyone under 3 months old to come to a restricted help island. All rezzed objects on a restricted help island should return 5 minutes after the rezzer has left.

Welcome areas: Lindens need to be part of this, in fact, liaison in world office hours should be held in a welcome area. Residents want to meet Lindens and even just an occasional visit by a Linden to a welcome area would eliminate 90% of the nonsense that takes place there.

I don’t have all the answers and I can’t fix the mentors that are broken. I can only hope they grow bored and move on and the real creme of the mentor group rises to the top.

All my best to the best of you,

Z

thank you is all can say i couldnt have said it better

Impossible, for this to happen , YOU MUST HAVE given the object debit permissions, if you have not then its impossible for this to happen, either you are lying, or you have mistakingly pressed the allow button, but do not want to post that you have.

<YOU MUST HAVE given the object debit permissions>

Ok so I just have to ask because I see responses like so often in the forum. What difference does it make if she pressed the accept button or not? The point was that she reached out for help and was slapped down. In a technical discussion we can talk about how she might have given the the object permission a year ago when she first started and the dialog was the same color as all the other dialogs and she didn't know what she was doing but what would be the point of that discussion? It is completely irrelevant. Let's suppose she was a complete doofus and read the dialog and still pressed the accept button. Does it change the point of the post? does she A. Deserve to lose all her lindens or B. deserve to be treated poorly by the one group that could possibly help her? I just don't see the point of your post other than to say you got was coming to you and I sure hope that is not what you meant to say. I'm just not getting what is going on with my fellow mentors anymore. Am I completely out in left field here? What the hell has happened to us?

Alright, I'll go hide again now.

All my best,

Z

I dont know if your question was answered concerning your AR but if you couldn't find the names to file an AR against, then use Governor Linden to file it. Its okay to dime him out, as long as your provide the proper details in the rest of your AR

No, you're not out at all. That's precisely the reason I left the Mentor group. I used to help folk a lot about whatever issues I could help them with before I joined the group. Not once did I find it useful to call them a doofus, liar or knucklehead McSpazatron, but instead just used a bit of patience, a bit of common sense, tried to see their problem from THEIR point of view and not one of some trumped-up 'holier-than-though-I've-been-touched-by-the-Lindens' style guru as so many not conduct themselves. Berating ANYONE gets you nowhere. It gets that person nowhere. I couldn't always provide the answers. I joined the Mentor group, still with limited knowledge, in the hope of being able to have access to some of those answers I didn't know. But of course, across time, I was more often than not presented with "if you don't know the answer to that query then you shouldn't be a Mentor!"

I usually hang around the same 8-9 sims in SL; it's a nice community of folk, always coming and going, always lots of newbies around, full of creative people - and I'm proud to still be called upon to help them all from time to time. I'm very proud to say that on many occassions I have been told I am incredibly patient and helpful. I still don't know the answers to every problem presented to me, but I know better now not to ask Mentors. Posting in the thread has only reaffirmed to me that you're more likely to have your comments or enquiries beaten into submission as a problem created of your own doing due to stupidity then a genuine error that can be corrected.

depends how the script was made or worded itself, maybe it was made in a way that no matter which you clicked it still gave it permissions to take the money, scripts like anything else can be turned around to seem like one thing and be a totally diff matter, let's hope the original poster and her scripter hubby found the answer in the script, as to mentors saying such things well you get that in every group and from what i can tell people who shout out spammers instead of finding out what the heck was wrong n helping whether its a chat channel or not shouldnt be in that group what the hell happened to human compassion? and if the group is not to allow for chat why is it ther ein the first place? other then to have open communications? if u dont want chatting ina group delete it and dont have one just use a conference then...

As for chat in the Mentor group, the Linden Team themselves have posted numerous upon numerous times not to use it for basically anything but 'have a problem, im me' or 'need mentor in OI6', there are numerous mentor groups that allow open chat. SLM is just not one of them, the group has hundreds, thousands of members including Lindens.

I just don't use it period. Mental Mentors is a good friendly group that will answer questions.

LL has also requested that mentors not police other mentor's chat as that is Linden Lab's job but I see it still continues....

ONCE again for the record...it DID take my lindens after repeatedly hitting the *not granted* button...overand dover again. (yes i know isnt that WEIRD, im no dumbo about cash, i run & own a rental resort) I asked for help...it was a micro cube that in the middle of a heavily scripted area i just couldnt find...dont dismiss the problem i had in this curt way tyvm Since I highighted this, a few others have also spoken to me (privately- i wonder why!!!) about a script that no matter what button you push on the yellow box you done for. But you know..im REALLLY tired of trying to vindicate myself..especially in this channel...it happened...i reported it, nothing was done about it as far as i know..ce`la`vie...but it was nice to be suported by a few people in this post, and for that im grateful

i havent lied..and i DID hit the not granted button...and i did report it, im REALLY tired of this...ive not new..im not stupid...it happned, and apparently im not alone..i certainly would not be scared to admit anything ive done in error...ive admitted a few ding dongs ive made in resident answers

maybe YOU lie about stuff because YOUR not brave enough to admit an error...is that why you thought of this response perhaps?

Fai, I can understand your frustration. But please understand, the rest of us weren't there at the time, and (except for your report) everything we've heard of and experienced says that that should not be possible.

I can think of a couple of possible explanations:

1. Everything happened just as you recall and report it.
2. You hit an accept button somewhere and don't remember it. (human perception and memory are very tricky things. Being an experienced player doesn't mean something like this can't happen. Try reconciling, say, the accounts of a robbery or murder by five different eyewitnesses.)
3. The accept button was somehow disguised as a "refuse" button.
4. Some other exploit was employed.

I do NOT think that either you or the people who say "it can't be so" are lying.

Assuming for the moment that you are entirely correct, this is a very serious exploit. However, if that were the case, I would have expected to see it employed again and again, and I'm not seeing a lot of other people saying "the thing took my money!"

actually i *have* seen others say that...and as happens here by a few NOT all...are shouted down by people saying
1) you are lying
2) youre scamming people for cash
3) youre not admitting the truth of what happened.

My partner and I know im telling the truth..it IS very frustrating to be called a liar i admit that but also im not the sort of person whos too afraid to hold my hand up and say "hey guess what happened to me because i made a mistake*

either way...ive deleted the original post -as its now got so far off course i see no point in it running any further...and really..each time i look in this section of the forum my heart sinks when i see its being raked over yet again and im being tarnished by SOME further..

I genuinely hope, with no malice at all..that no one else gets caught out by this nasty piece of scripting. And also , again...thank you to the many people who were so very kind an unjudgemental of me in this post

Fai x