Linden response to racist incident in Ahern Welcome area

This is becoming more common, a good friend of mine, and some of his friends have been systematically griefed by what appears to be one particular group for over a week, and havent had any sort of satisfactory response from the Lindens

Do you mean safe from physical harm? or safe from abuse?

I have only been in SL for about 1 month. I have had flames from bombs roll over me to two locations: The Ivory Tower and a Teazer class. I have had a gun waved in my face while visiting a clock tower. I have had a grenade thrown at me when I fell while trying to fly on someone's land who was not feeling friendly. I have had to get out of the way of a large nude male following a portion of his enlarged body part. This was at NCI.

Safe?????

Actually the sig was from 'Paranoimia - The Art of Noise, Max Headroom', but I meant physically.

Your avatar may be bumped or teleported home... and you may be shocked by content it encounters, but no one is going to 'break' you or your avatar by griefing you.

(Unless you're taunted into disclosing enough information for the griefer to guess your account password.)

MadamG-

Are you insinuating that someone who is gay and white wouldn't respond to this racist/homophobic griefer but someone with darker skin (of any hue) would?

Besides you don't want someone who's blinded by anger enforcing the 'law', you want someone who's got a calm and level head. Mistakes are made in anger.

If they didn't respond to this case... I'm quite sure lack racial sympathy had nothing to do with it... and it's rather ugly of you to insinutate that it might.

I raised this issue before in SL Answers to LL HERE

ARs are not responded to AT ALL. They are completely irrelevant. I know I've sent plenty. The rules of PG no longer apply. If they did they'd be enforced. There has been some lip service about how ARs never have enough info, but that is complete crap. I've sent them ARs with chat histories and screenshots (which BTW are useless due to the menu covering the screen).

I've only been in-game a few months but I've seen much decline in Second Life. And I'm seeing more and more old timers just up and quit. But again this is irrelevant. The one thing none of you seem to understand is Second Life IS A BUSINESS. All the be nice, no griefing CRAP that they fed you was important in the beginning. But now that they're getting a lot of press and people are piling in by the thousands it just doesn't matter any more. If someone pisses you off and you quit, 1000 newbies will replace you.

Do you really think the racial episode was bad for them? Of course it wasn't. If anything that'll cause the offended targets to get their friends to play. More newbies. You need to either get used to it or stop playing. It's all about the money now. Get some or get out.

BTW, when you notice, respond to, and are offended by these people YOU EMPOWER THEM. Ignoring them, not sensationalizing them (as you've done here), is the ONLY WAY TO DEFEAT THEM. On the down side (and lucky for them), there will ALWAYS BE SOMEONE to take up the fight. So racism, etc. will will continue to live and thrive. EVEN IN SECOND LIFE.

One should not fight racism with more racism - you are making an assumption that inaction on this issue has to do with Linden Lab employees being primarily white. Racism cuts both ways - that is insulting to insinuate.

It also ignores the apparent fact that many people seem to be getting no response to issues that run the gamut of offensive behavior.

No I am not insinuating anything. I typed what I meant, and meant what I typed. However, if YOU'D like to add to that, be my guest. Please do not put words in my mouth on these forums or elsewhere. Anyone can see what I typed and what you "assumed" I meant are not the same thing. Rather ugly of you, don't you think?

Furthermore, How can you be so sure that lack of racial sympathy had nothing to do with it? Were YOU the Linden alt that failed to respond to the complaint? If not, then how do you know? It's so nice that you want to defend the Lindens...but so foolish when you do not even know their true position on the matter.

No one is going to actually come out and say that they are a racist. Those days are over. Actions speak louder than words.

OK...so now I am a racist??? In your wildest dreams. I made no assumptions, I merely gave my opinion. Which I was entitled to do last I checked. =)

I did not call you a racist. Your statement "It makes me wonder how many Lindens are not Caucasian" is making an assumption that their race has something to do with how they responded. If you weren't making an assumption, why would you wonder about their ethnicity? What does that have to do with anything, unless you are saying that because they are white, they did not respond? Yes, you can give your opinion freely - it doesn't mean no one will comment on it, especially when you are commenting on how offensive racism is while questioning the ethnicity of the Linden employees.

Thank you for your permission to give my opinion freely. And YES! You did say,



You said I was fighting racism with racism. That would be calling me a racist. Period.

While I support freedom of expression, such liberties become over-extended and unacceptable once things get racial/discriminatory or encroach upon the enjoyment of other peoples' SL experiences. I feel such griefing gets a bit out of control, especially in high-visibility zones like the WA's. For those who skip Help Island, the WA's act as the first impression point for new residents, and we don't want to give a first impression that SL is an unprofessional, non-controlled griefer anarchy. Such perceptions can either cause new residents to leave in disgust, or give them the impression that they have amnesty to act like a griefer themselves.

I do understand that liaison resource wise, it would be inefficient to have Lindens patrolling the WA's 24/7 waiting for griefers. While I do think frank's idea of helpstaff deputies holds merit, I also feel the SL community (where everyone screams bloody FIC murder at the drop of a resmod hat) is not ready yet to be accepting of such.



AFAIK, there's three WA's- Ahern, Waterhead, and Plum. Lately, Waterhead seems just as busy as Ahern, sometimes topping 40+ people. Plum seems to be a run-off when both Ahern and Waterhead have reached capacity. Out of all the WA's, I'd have to say Waterhead is my favorite to Mentor in since there aren't many griefers, and the Build OK/Script OK circular driveway acts as a very convenient sandbox.

So then please, by all means, explain what you meant by "Makes me wonder, how many Linden Lab employees ARE NOT Caucasian (if any)". What makes you wonder, and why? It's pretty clear what you are saying. Why are you speculating on their race? What does it have to do with anything? By bringing race into the issue (which you did), you are making a very clear statement that their inaction had to do with the Lindens not being minorities (a patently ridiculous statement). So yeah, actually I will backtrack - if making a racist comment makes one a racist, then there you go - what you said, opinion or not, amounts to "They would have done something if they weren't white!".

PS - I don't personally think you are a racist. However, it makes no sense whatsoever to be outraged about what happened at the Welcome Area and then turn around and make the kind of statement you did. What did or did not happen had nothing to do with how many Lindens are white, it is irrelevant and commenting on it is both arbitrary and offensive.

I meant just that. I need you permission to wonder too?



What makes YOU want to know why I wonder and why? That's the REAL question that screams for an answer.


In case you did not catch the title on this thread, here it is:
"Linden response to racist incident in Ahern Welcome area"
I did not bring race into it. It was already here.


And it appears that YOU are making a very clear statement that their inaction had NOTHING to do with the Lindens not being minroties. You don't know this, just like I don't know that they were. I can wonder just like you can...or do I need your permission again?

And again.... calling me a racist out right? If you only knew.

It does seem like you're dropping the race card for no particular reason. Why?

omgcaucasianresmods

Well you know what Cristiano... I don't think that you are personally trying to attack me. But to question my opinion is very rude of you. I am doing my best to hold my tongue on other matters pertaining to my personal experiences with LL. So please do not think that my statements are "out of the blue" or "senseless". I did my best to express myself on the matter without writing an essay.

If I did not know better, I would say that your extreme willingness to defend them without knowing 100% whether they are or aren't acting professionally in this case (or any case) gives ME reason to beleive that YOU might in all likelihood act in an offensive manner as racists do. But although I do not know you personally outside of this platform, I have seen enough to make a good faith judgement that you are not. So if you want to keep on defending them...go ahead.

I made a statement. I am sticking to it. It's how I feel. I "wonder". Is that OK with you still?

Yes, I am making a clear statement that you can't lump an entire group of people together and make an assumption about why they act that way simply based upon their race, the text book definition of racism. Bigotry crosses all racial boundries - white people aren't the only ones who can be guilty of it. Yes, this was a topic about a racist incident in the Welcome Area, but you are the one who raised the issue of the race of the Lindens and speculating on it being a factor, no one else.

Did you read the thread title? I didn't drop the race card. It was laying on the floor when we all got here. =) Smiles

I guess I need your permission to speculate too. Darn it! I thought I got it right this time!

Where do you draw the line on what is ok for you to say about how you feel? If you didn't like black people, would it be ok to say "I don't like black people" and not expect anyone to respond to that? Certainly you can say it, but people are going to react to it. I really don't think you were directly meaning to imply what you did, but it came out very badly - and to stick to your guns about it doesn't help. I have had several racist experiences in SL, from being called a nigger and a monkey to having my life threatened. Each time, the Lindens responded appropriately - they did not ignore it. I didn't expect them to come instantly to my rescue though. I am sorry if you have had bad experiences with them, but even then, you have to recognize it is about individuals, not about a group of people. Their being white shouldn't be a factor you consider at all.

Perhaps you should be telling THEM all of this.

Ok, here's some examples of speculation and opinion:

The only reason those players are whining about having their stipend taken away is because they are probably black.

God LL is greedy. I bet they are all Jews!

Now please explain how either is any different than "Makes me wonder how many Linden Lab employees are not Caucasian (if any).

Telling who? I am addressing what you said.

too.

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