Incubator Program

Still concerned with the loan program and such. Sounds like funding a project and giving them a chance to break even. After some thought this sounds like a sound and reasonable plan. I am for it

WTF EVER CAT!!!

Of course your going to say what you said on your last post, but after some of your other posts like the one above, It makes me question your intelligence just a little. They will lose alot of the Island owners and alot will be very upset that they were sold a thousand dollar island with the thought of maybe breaking even at least. However if we can't even break even and have to play to just keep up, how do you expect them to pay off a loan rofl. So I say again wtf ever.

Fel

Excuse me? Am I not allowed to change my mind? Please don't talk to me that way I am not a teeny bopper hell I'm not even in my 30's anymore. Just a little respect woman to woman ok

Please explain your point about the islands perhaps I missed something. I was under the impression that this was for newly forming groups not existing islands. So I ask you; please explain to me how this will affect island, ok.

Cat

*crunch crunch munch munch*

Want some Cocoa Puffs?

- Ace

After cafeful consideration I am going to have to vote against the incubator program. Anything that affects the development bonus in a negative way would be bad for sl right now. Now if development bonuses remained I would consider this program again. Right now its not in the best interest of SL.

Cat

Sorry Cat

Really is bad to do that. I'm not a mean person and I shouldn't have spoken to you that way please accept my apoligy's, some things that I am passionate about just get my dander up rofl.

Taking away Phantasie Isle for me and the people who love it would make me very unhappy and that is my passion.

Hugzzz Fel

Fel its very much alright I certainly understand your passion for SL. lol have ya read my posts Since we talked I heard from other ppl with your same concerns, so your not alone in your thinking about the negative affects of the incubator program. If more ppl speak up about these concerns perhaps some changes can be made. I love the fact that Robin is asking for input on this it tells me that LL does care how we feel and does want our input. I admire your passion for SL Fel dont ever change

Hugz
Cat

I'm still for this program as I don't think it will only affect island owners.

Projects like mine for example could really use the support an incubator program would create.

Incubator programs and lending is one of many ways to spur entrepreneurs and grow an economy and I think the fact that it's being offered by LL is a positive change to SL. There might be other projects that will need financial support in the future to really fly, but RL institutions might not be willing to lend the money to support them.

Just my 2 cents.. though I'm still not really clear how a program like this would negatively effect island owners, let alone anyone else in SL...

Well Icon let me enlighten you, the islands that attract people for the sake of the DI system to help pay for that island will no longer be there because there will be no more rewards for dwell so why bother. This incubator program reminds me of the governments tax system, the way it is now is all for the big guys and lets crush the little guys.

Now I can't speak for the other island owners, but I live each day in SL to make people happy when they come to Phantasie Isle, to enjoy the events we host and to meet people, dance, and just have a really good time chatting and getting to know each other. I do not make money from it, in fact it costs me money out of my pocket each and every day to make others happy, because thats what makes me happy.

The DI system only helps to cover the expenses even then you have to work hard each and every day to make different things to make them happy. To make them want to be on your island because without them there whats the point?

Again I say that by taking away the DI program you will be shutting down alot of islands because whether you choose to believe it or not we are not the big guys that LL wants to support because there is no way to pay back a loan let alone break even, Island owners do not make money unless they make something to sell trust me on this.

I make fun for people to meet and get to know each other that is it. Poeple like me will be no more. Unless of course they are rich poeple and have money to burn for nothing in return. Next time you make a judgement or a opinion know your facts and get them straight that way you won't sound so dumb.

PS: Thanxs Cat for studying and learning about it then making a judgement. That shows you do care, now if we can get everyone else to read between the lines maybe they will leave us little guys DI program alone and ADD TO SL THEIR PLAN OF THE BIG GUYS WITHOUT TAKING FROM US.

Fel,

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I'm not dumb, thank you very much.

Fel, maybe you should innovate in order to get people to your island and attract attention from others? Maybe that is the point, so there arent 300 clubs in second life? Maybe im missing the point here, but im pretty sure LL is doing away with dwelloper incentives because they want people to innovate not slide along by catering to the lowest common denominator. Also fel, I had an incredibly hard time reading that, please type it up with puncuation marks and proper english next time.

ROFL.

You have nothing better to say so you attack my typing now thats intelligent.
If you can't read what I wrote then maybe you shouldn't be playing computer games.
Gawd..........
ROFLMFAO

DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MUCH!!!!
BRING IT ON!

Fel,

Another thing do not put me in the same catagory as one of the clubs, we are a beach with things to do, we do not hire dancers or escorts.

Fel, you are a club with a mask on.

What does being able to read your typing or not have to do with weather or not I should be playing computer games?

Fel, also, why do you say phantasie island isnt a club, when the name of your land it "Phantasie Isle Beach Club"? (copied and pasted directly from their land information)

listen Ryen if you don't have something to say about the Incubator program then stfu did you understand that part.

Quit talking out the sides of your mouth and move on to trolling the next thread sheesh.

Read my first post, I had alot to say about the incubator program. You seem to be the on trolling now.

Do you understand that much i'm not trolling this is a thread I happen to be very passionate in unlike you, because I see you troll all the time have you ever seen me no!!!!!!
So i say agan STFU
You want to make an issue I won't stop posting, you Ryen will not get the last word unles you say something else other then to me.

Fel

Waits to get nasty grrrrr

Fel, I am more passionate about this then you are, I guarantee it. Why? Because my projects life depends on this. Unlike yours, which seems to be doing fine as it is.

Ryen, I really do hope that they go ahead with their plan of the loan program for big projects like the one you say you have.

I really do i'm just saying leave whats in place alone and just simply add to it. Don't take away from the little guys to give to the big guys. Hell they got new funding of 8 million dollars not to mention the 17,000 new members. I would think they need us to keep the new members happy.

Fel

PS: Thank you for keeping your personal attacks to yourself. But damn I was ready to fight lol.

Wow, it's been really interesting reading this thread. I've been away from SL for a long time now, and will be away for a while longer, but it's gratifying to see this idea coming into being. (It was originally something I put out on SLUniverse here that Robin asked if they could use.) Of course, there are a lot of differences in how LL is implementing it - including the fact that it is LL, and not a player, doing the implementation!

Reading over this, I hear a lot folks who seem to feel that with the introduction of this system, the "old way" of creating SL content - by bootstrapping it - is a thing of the past and that those who built things that way are essentially getting shafted by this proposal. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the real world, businesses are built two ways as well - either from the ground up by investing profits to grow, or through the infusion of outside capital from VCs. The latter may sound like a sweet deal to anyone who has never worked under the gun of VC funding - for those of us who have, we know why they are called "Vulture Capitalists"!

Projects that can grow on their own through player financing will always have the advantage. They won't be expected to live up to a predetermined, and let's face it largely guestimated, "business plan" and will be more flexible. They won't be saddled with debt from the beginning. The creators won't have to make adjustments to meet the needs of their funding source. And a million other things!

VC funding ruined more good ideas during the dot-com boom than it created, if you ask me. Great ideas like Kozmo.com were over-funded and put on ridiculous development paths that could not hope to succeed, where had they developed organically they might have been very profitable smaller businesses. VC funding is really only truly beneficial in a limited number of circumstances, some of which are:
1. Has to get to market in a limited time frame, either to beat the competition or to meet an emergent need.
2. Requires substantial upfront capital to get started and can not be grown organically by starting on a smaller scale and reinvesting profits to facilitate growth. For instance, someone who wants to build apartments could easily start with a four unit building and build their way up to a four-sim super condo business. But someone who wants to build something like, say, Darklife would need to put the entire system into place from the beginning to succeed.
3. You have a great idea, but lack the expertise to bring it to market and WANT the "oversight" of the VCs and their experience. This one is hypothetical, of course, since very few folks actually know this about themselves!

I hope this doesn't cause any drop-off in folks continuing to do the amazing, creative things they are already doing. This should, if it works, be a way to bring a new type of project to SL to compliment the existing work already being done, not to compete with it.

Okay, now back into my self-imposed exile!
Bhodi
3.

Bhodi,

That's really interesting what you wrote in your blog in July. Have you seen http://www.numbakulla.com/ - I've sort of done it, although not on a three sim scale

I am still not sure I am for this or not. I pay out of pocket to own and run Never Never Land (NOT to be confused with Baccara's Neverland, nor is it in anyway affiliated with that project either) it is an ever changing playground and until recently I got very little if any help. I spend months before a change running around SL finding cool things to add and asking folks for copies or donations of their items. Then I run around and buy anything that I find that I need for a rebuild. I go into rl debt to hold the land for the project and try to learn the scripting and all in my spare time when I'm not creating and loading textures for the content created there. AND I never charge for it's use. The point of Never Never Land is to have a fun place that is NOT a dance club and NOT a mall and not totally adult rated. It's a child's playground and something I do totally without Linden support or any big team to help me out. I too must admit that SL is the most expensive "game" I've ever played online.

Thanks for all of your comments and ideas, and especially to Bhodi for her original discussion on SLUniverse. Taking everything into consideration, we've decided to table this program idea. As many of you have pointed out, there are a lot of great and imaginative builds in SL that were created without loans or special support. And we agree we shouldn't take up a lot of staff resources evaluating and helping manage projects. Nor do we want to create another situation where the possibility exists for charges of favoritism.

There's probably a business opportunity here, for those who would like to help jump start new businesses. Like most things in SL, the community is the best place for this help to come from.

Thank you Robin I am very happy about this decision.

Thank You Robin, makes me very happy too!!!

Fel