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Burn Tomorrow
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12-12-2007 14:48
From: JackJack Oh
It's better to have legitimate business ppl flagged even if they done nothing wrong? This can happens to everybody... probably everybody except real frauders...


right!
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12-12-2007 14:49
From: Cristalle Karami
There is no point in going through this, quite honestly, because he demands an answer he isn't going to get, refuses to step back and consider how it looks from LL's point of view, and refuses to accept that SLX uses the same Risk API, leaving him in the same situation. I'm getting dizzy.

JackJack, I can only suggest voting on the jira issue mentioned above, and continuing to earn your money until they allow you to take it out. And that is my last comment in this thread.


*sighs as she's tired of beating her head against the wall* I am getting dizzy too. It's not a hard leap of logic to realize that when one's selling limit is 0 then that means they are automatically flagged by the Risk API if they are trying to sell L$, now is it?


Jackjack, try opening a support ticket and ask them if having a 0 trading tier limit would cause you to be flagged via the Risk API. I'd be curious about that myself, given the situation.
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12-12-2007 14:53
I can't help myself, but this really is my last comment. This is Resident Answers, and this is a question that no resident can help you with since LL does not divulge the Risk API factors for people to game and circumvent. As no one can help you beyond what has been stated, please take the advice as stated and report it in the JIRA.
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 14:54
From: Raudf Fox
*sighs as she's tired of beating her head against the wall* I am getting dizzy too. It's not a hard leap of logic to realize that when one's selling limit is 0 then that means they are automatically flagged by the Risk API if they are trying to sell L$, now is it?


Jackjack, try opening a support ticket and ask them if having a 0 trading tier limit would cause you to be flagged via the Risk API. I'd be curious about that myself, given the situation.


If you are right, then the riskapi is useless since i was able to withdraw (false negative).
If you are worng, then the riskapi is so buggy to detect so many false positives...

in both cases, riskapi is mainly a problem... a damoche's sword on everybody's head...
Marcel Flatley
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12-12-2007 14:55
Sorry to sound harsh but it's getting kind of lame... a dozen postings on SLX about the risk API, postings here about the risk API, it seems all the OP is contributing to the fora is wining about the risk API... (not to forget a dozen tickets...)

Let me add up some things. OP seems to be able to withdraw rather nice amounts of cash out of SL. Well I do see a couple of items on SLX, of which none has a rating. Not very expensive items either.
OP has not put any money into SL it seems, at least that is what I make up from the zillion postings about the risk API. Nevertheless is able to withdraw 42 dollar (!!) per month. Only from camping and selling stuff?
Well I know the Risk API does have it's hickups, and there is a jira about it, but if I were the risk API in person, I am pretty sure I would be suspicious about the OP.

JackJack, probably you are a nice guy in real life, but in SL you are getting on my nerves ;) Maybe, just maybe, you could spend the lindens you "earned" to contribute to SL? Buy or rent a nice parcel, decorate is the bvest you can, and invite people over for a party. That might do you much more good then using SL as an ATM :-)

Greetings, Marcel
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12-12-2007 15:04
From: Marcel Flatley
Sorry to sound harsh but it's getting kind of lame... a dozen postings on SLX about the risk API, postings here about the risk API, it seems all the OP is contributing to the fora is wining about the risk API... (not to forget a dozen tickets...)


I'm posting here because on slx i found no solutions, and even because i was forced to put payment info (as told, to solve my problem) and it was useless.

From: Marcel Flatley
Let me add up some things. OP seems to be able to withdraw rather nice amounts of cash out of SL. Well I do see a couple of items on SLX, of which none has a rating. Not very expensive items either.
OP has not put any money into SL it seems, at least that is what I make up from the zillion postings about the risk API. Nevertheless is able to withdraw 42 dollar (!!) per month. Only from camping and selling stuff?
Well I know the Risk API does have it's hickups, and there is a jira about it, but if I were the risk API in person, I am pretty sure I would be suspicious about the OP.


Do you want my entire transaction history? can sent it to you without problems... (maybe privacy about the names of ppl...)

About rating... what can i do if ppl are not reviewing or rating objects they buy? i can't of course force ppl to do!

From: Marcel Flatley
JackJack, probably you are a nice guy in real life, but in SL you are getting on my nerves ;) Maybe, just maybe, you could spend the lindens you "earned" to contribute to SL? Buy or rent a nice parcel, decorate is the bvest you can, and invite people over for a party. That might do you much more good then using SL as an ATM :-)

Greetings, Marcel


I joined SL for try to make and sell scripts since in RL i'm a software developer... and i don't even like parties in SL...
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12-12-2007 15:06
From: JackJack Oh
If you are right, then the riskapi is useless since i was able to withdraw (false negative).
If you are worng, then the riskapi is so buggy to detect so many false positives...

in both cases, riskapi is mainly a problem... a damoche's sword on everybody's head...


I never said it couldn't be buggy, either way. The withdrawing you were able to do is a bug, for all I know. Now, Linden Labs is the only one who can help you in this. The rest of us can only give our advice and thoughts in this and no real answers. But maybe, asking whether the trading tier is the reason you are flagged might get the answer you seek. Then from there, you can decide how to proceed.

Also, reading the FAQ's and might guide you into better questions to ask them if that fails.
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 15:11
From: Raudf Fox
I never said it couldn't be buggy, either way. The withdrawing you were able to do is a bug, for all I know. Now, Linden Labs is the only one who can help you in this. The rest of us can only give our advice and thoughts in this and no real answers. But maybe, asking whether the trading tier is the reason you are flagged might get the answer you seek. Then from there, you can decide how to proceed.

Also, reading the FAQ's and might guide you into better questions to ask them if that fails.



I don't think my withdraw is a bug: when happend in september, the ticket response was always "try again"... so it seems to be a know workaround to use slx to withdraw without payment info... i'm just tired to be considered a frauder by some buggy process...
Novis Dyrssen
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12-12-2007 15:11
From: JackJack Oh
I withdrawed 250$ from april to october, this means less than 42$ per month, and if you feel this amount too much, how much had u earned working on sl?


I earn more, but that's beside the point.

If you honestly do not get why someone who makes 42 US $ worth of virtual money is considered suspicious because he has no payment info on file but continues to try to withdraw money from the game... then please tell me were you live so I can smack your head against a wall in case that helps.

Aside from that, it is an irregular verb - you withdrew money, you have withdrawn. And the sword is Damocles', please. This version just plain hurts. Thank you.
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 15:19
From: Novis Dyrssen
I earn more, but that's beside the point.

If you honestly do not get why someone who makes 42 US $ worth of virtual money is considered suspicious because he has no payment info on file but continues to try to withdraw money from the game... then please tell me were you live so I can smack your head against a wall in case that helps.

Aside from that, it is an irregular verb - you withdrew money, you have withdrawn. And the sword is Damocles', please. This version just plain hurts. Thank you.


I'm italian, sorry if my english is not perfect... now you know both why i'm writing bad and where i live, will you come to explain me why ppl makes money here and i can't? are other ppl better than me?
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12-12-2007 15:22
Italy, not too far to drive from Germany ;)

JackJack, you make 250 dollar plus the 20k linden. Without putting a dime into the game. No payment info on file. Zillions of postings about the fact you are not able to withdraw. You seem to worry to be seen as a frauder, but not to worry about being a troll. You were that on the SLX forum and are rapidly becoming that here.

No I have no interest in your transaction history. Neither in your postings. You are repeatingly ignoring any advice given for the last few weeks. Even the Lindens seem to be fed up by you regarding their last reply, so for once I think I agree with them. If you really do not want to take any advice from anyone, but just postings that express sympathy, tough luck.

If I were you I would not bother to react to my words, as I am for sure not going to spend more energy to yours. Have 3 cats in RL, rather feed them then the troll...

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12-12-2007 15:27
So Strife went south on us...sigh.
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12-12-2007 15:30
Reading the wiki comments on the erratic behavior of the RiskAPI feature is depressing. The reject rate goes from around 4 percent to 35 percent or more, then back down, for no apparent reason, and has down this many times, according to the comments./
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 15:31
From: Marcel Flatley
Italy, not too far to drive from Germany ;)

JackJack, you make 250 dollar plus the 20k linden. Without putting a dime into the game. No payment info on file. Zillions of postings about the fact you are not able to withdraw. You seem to worry to be seen as a frauder, but not to worry about being a troll. You were that on the SLX forum and are rapidly becoming that here.


i can live being considered a troll, since this would not limit my freedom. Being considered a frauder limits it....
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12-12-2007 15:34
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Reading the wiki comments on the erratic behavior of the RiskAPI feature is depressing. The reject rate goes from around 4 percent to 35 percent or more, then back down, for no apparent reason, and has down this many times, according to the comments./


...and lindens don't even confirm or deny that it's a bug... the lack of informations is the worst part of being flagged...
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12-12-2007 15:37
From: JackJack Oh
I have payment info since 1 week ago, i've add it because a linden that works in the fraud buster team, with the name of 4 chars, told me to put for lower my risk probability, until that date i was fraud risk flagged but i had no payment info, so no credit card... even now i've used paypal, not directly the credit card with LL.

...and anyway, if i've stolen any amount, even just 1L$ from a credit card, why lindens are not saying me the reason? they told me to put payment and wait... but what should i wait? is LL going out of business and them don't want me to withdraw money?

edit: i read your post too quicky...
this is the missed part:

I made some products, you can find them on SLExchange, search for my nickname... i don't want to spam, this is not a post for promote my products.

About the money: i haven't bought money from anywhere nor eBay nor anything, just 319L$ for make system to say "payment info used", and i have the full transaction history of the money i have, part from camping and part from customers...


The lindens have good reason to not to disclose their "secret algorithm" used to calculate riskapi. I so far have had no problems and I frequently buy L$10-20k
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12-12-2007 15:38
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So Strife went south on us...sigh.


??Why should strife close it? This person has a legit complaint.
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12-12-2007 15:40
From: Bobbyb30 Zohari
The lindens have good reason to not to disclose their "secret algorithm" used to calculate riskapi. I so far have had no problems and I frequently buy L$10-20k


you BUY... i SELL... it's like if LL don't want cash to run away...
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12-12-2007 15:44
This is not Resident Complaints. And the answers he has gotten have been exhausted since about page 1. Okay, page 2...
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12-12-2007 15:48
From: Cristalle Karami
This is not Resident Complaints. And the answers he has gotten have been exhausted since about page 1. Okay, page 2...


Is there a forum "Non-Resident Answers"? ...and anyway since i rent a small shop inworld, i think i can be considered a resident....

About answers... all answers are about "wait" or "you are suspect"... how can i prove my innocence if whatever i say, i still remain in the guilt?
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12-12-2007 15:49
From: JackJack Oh
I'm italian, sorry if my english is not perfect...


No excuse. :p

From: JackJack Oh
now you know both why i'm writing bad and where i live, will you come to explain me why ppl makes money here and i can't? are other ppl better than me?


No, they're just more clever.

Honestly, JackJack - you initially put no payment info on file, you never spent a dime on the game, you were therefore a complete and utter unknown and still withdrew 250 US $ you got God knows from where, your identity is in no way verified and you are therefore NOT TRUSTWORTHY as a business partner YET - and that is all the RiskApi actually does say. Deal with it.
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12-12-2007 15:53
From: Novis Dyrssen
No excuse. :p



No, they're just more clever.

Honestly, JackJack - you initially put no payment info on file, you never spent a dime on the game, you were therefore a complete and utter unknown and still withdrew 250 US $ you got God knows from where, your identity is in no way verified and you are therefore NOT TRUSTWORTHY as a business partner YET - and that is all the RiskApi actually does say. Deal with it.


Are you telling me i've made a mistake to verify this account and it would be better if after withdraw i would have abandoned this account and start a new one? this is the reverse of the coin of your meaning, i know... but maybe u're right...

There is just one problem... since i sell products.. this solution would have required to remake them from scratch... of course a real frauder would have followed your directives
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12-12-2007 15:56
From: JackJack Oh
Is there a forum "Non-Resident Answers"? ...and anyway since i rent a small shop inworld, i think i can be considered a resident....

About answers... all answers are about "wait" or "you are suspect"... how can i prove my innocence if whatever i say, i still remain in the guilt?
This is not something you can control. And we cannot help you. You don't like the answers and are being dense, but tough cookies - we can't change the situation and it's not in your hands.

You have NO CHOICE but to wait. And if you keep pissing the Lindens off by spamming them with support tickets asking for the algorithm, you aren't going to get any help there, either.
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12-12-2007 15:57
From: JackJack Oh
I don't think my withdraw is a bug: when happend in september, the ticket response was always "try again"... so it seems to be a know workaround to use slx to withdraw without payment info... i'm just tired to be considered a frauder by some buggy process...


Well if at first you don't succeed try try again.:p

Then again this is SL you'll really need to try and try and try and try some more.:mad:
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12-12-2007 15:58
From: JackJack Oh
Are you telling me i've made a mistake to verify this account and it would be better if after withdraw i would have abandoned this account and start a new one?


No. I am saying that you should have verified it right from the start - and since you even said you only joined to open a business, this should be a given.

This is getting more dense by the minute...
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