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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 13:19
From: Novis Dyrssen Jack, I would have loved to check if the updated payment info has actually made it into your profile yet, since LL sometimes has trouble updating the info inworld. Sadly, I couldn't since "the resident has chosen to hide his profile from search". Also, there have been known problems between Paypal and LL lately. How is your Paypal account funded? Just by your bank account or with a credit card, too? LL only accepts the latter, as far as I know.
Out of interest, how did you manage to cash out before if you didn't have any payment info on file? That is not possible. (So yes, there is a reason you were told to add payment info.)
And lastly, not a single bank would ever tell you exactly WHY they consider you a security risk and/or not trustworthy enough, for instance if you were applying for a credit. So just stop expecting an answer in this cas. In-world my profile says "payment info used", i've used paypal to avoid problems about using a debit card and not a credit card... since LL had been able to take 1.5 USD from my paypal balance, i suppose payment is ok... |
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 13:23
From: Raudf Fox Since the latter apparently didn't work, maybe the OP should try waiting the 14 business days before submitting another support ticket? It was fourteen days for me, before I could sell and that was AFTER I had upgraded to premium (which is the payment to LL part). The trade limit is 0 until then.
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But i'm not yet selling L$, i know i can't use lindex yet... it's a written rule. But i'm trying to use SLExchange, and RiskAPI is NOT a written rule... there is nothing about limits in use SLExchange in the limits page, there is nothing in TOS, there is nothing anywhere... |
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Raudf Fox
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12-12-2007 13:24
It doesn't matter when you joined SL as to what trade level you are going to be in. It's from the moment you PAID LL anything, as per my post above.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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12-12-2007 13:30
From: JackJack Oh From: Raudf Fox Since the latter apparently didn't work, maybe the OP should try waiting the 14 business days before submitting another support ticket? It was fourteen days for me, before I could sell and that was AFTER I had upgraded to premium (which is the payment to LL part). The trade limit is 0 until then.
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But i'm not yet selling L$, i know i can't use lindex yet... it's a written rule. But i'm trying to use SLExchange, and RiskAPI is NOT a written rule... there is nothing about limits in use SLExchange in the limits page, there is nothing in TOS, there is nothing anywhere... Paypal itself has a limit but that shouldn't have made SL flag you, just kept you from putting more than something like $150 into SLex to buy and sell Lindens. Unless you get into a different paypal program. I forgot that part. Right, the default Paypal has a limit.
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Ann Launay
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12-12-2007 13:30
From: JackJack Oh
But i'm not yet selling L$, i know i can't use lindex yet... it's a written rule. But i'm trying to use SLExchange, and RiskAPI is NOT a written rule... there is nothing about limits in use SLExchange in the limits page, there is nothing in TOS, there is nothing anywhere...
Um, SLX follows LL's rules for currency exchange...that's what it means when they say they use the Risk API. If LL has you flagged and SLX ignores it, then they aren't following the Risk API and all transactions on their site become open to scrutiny. OK, they're not talking about selling $L here, but I'm sure the same standard applies: From: someone 9.3: Virtuatrade implements the Second Life Exchange Risk API. The risk API is under the control of Linden Research, Inc. and it indicates when Linden Dollar payments should not be accepted by Virtuatrade. Virtuatrade may hold Linden Dollar payments for review, reverse transactions, and/or return the funds to the depositing avatar in order to comply with risk API indications. You agree that Virtuatrade shall not be held liable for any damages resulting from actions taken to comply with the risk API.
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Novis Dyrssen
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12-12-2007 13:32
From: JackJack Oh and RiskAPI is NOT a written rule... It is the same as a bank evaluating if you are trustworthy enough for a credit or even a bank account. None of them will EVER tell you why they reject you if they do. They do NOT share their reasons for evaluation, under no circumstances. Don't you get that? And you never answered the question how the heck you managed to cash out if you didn't have payment info on file.
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Raudf Fox
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12-12-2007 13:32
From: JackJack Oh From: Raudf Fox Since the latter apparently didn't work, maybe the OP should try waiting the 14 business days before submitting another support ticket? It was fourteen days for me, before I could sell and that was AFTER I had upgraded to premium (which is the payment to LL part). The trade limit is 0 until then.
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But i'm not yet selling L$, i know i can't use lindex yet... it's a written rule. But i'm trying to use SLExchange, and RiskAPI is NOT a written rule... there is nothing about limits in use SLExchange in the limits page, there is nothing in TOS, there is nothing anywhere... From: someone · Why are you holding my L$ and saying I'm risky?
Your funds have been flagged as risky by the "risk API" system that we are required to use by Linden Lab. Here is what Linden Lab says about this system: There you go. SLExchange uses the Risk API system developed by Linden Labs.
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 13:48
From: Novis Dyrssen It is the same as a bank evaluating if you are trustworthy enough for a credit or even a bank account. None of them will EVER tell you why they reject you if they do. They do NOT share their reasons for evaluation, under no circumstances. Don't you get that?
And you never answered the question how the heck you managed to cash out if you didn't have payment info on file. I withdrawed the small amount using SLX... they paid me on paypal... even without payment info |
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 13:49
From: Lexxi Gynoid Paypal itself has a limit but that shouldn't have made SL flag you, just kept you from putting more than something like $150 into SLex to buy and sell Lindens. Unless you get into a different paypal program. I forgot that part. Right, the default Paypal has a limit. I haven't reached the paypal limit...... |
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 13:53
From: Ann Launay Um, SLX follows LL's rules for currency exchange...that's what it means when they say they use the Risk API. If LL has you flagged and SLX ignores it, then they aren't following the Risk API and all transactions on their site become open to scrutiny. I'm wondering what had i done wrong for be flagged by LL, not by SLX, i know slx follows RiskAPI... The problem is... why LL apply limits and don't even tell which are these limits? why are them allowed to not tell me what's wrong? I can prove all my L$ transactions are clean and not frauded, i can even prove all my RL transactions are clean and not fraudulent... |
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Lexxi Gynoid
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12-12-2007 13:54
From: JackJack Oh I haven't reached the paypal limit...... Very good. Just something I ran into myself so threw into the thread. 
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 13:56
Since i've done nothing wrong, why LL keep flagging me or my transactions? Are me and burn the only 2 flagged by the api? |
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Raudf Fox
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12-12-2007 14:17
From: JackJack Oh Since i've done nothing wrong, why LL keep flagging me or my transactions? Are me and burn the only 2 flagged by the api? Okay, recap: Did you buy any L$ off the Lindex? Just one USD worth or so? If so, you have to wait 2 weeks before you can sell L, because of the RISK API and the trading limit of 0. Go to your account/sell L on this website and see what your remaining Lindex Trading Limits are. I'm pretty sure it says, 0. If it does, then this is the reason you are being denied, nothing else. Remember this is from first billing transaction.. not just entering your payment info!
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Novis Dyrssen
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12-12-2007 14:18
From: JackJack Oh I withdrawed the small amount using SLX... they paid me on paypal... even without payment info That may very well be the reason you were flagged, methinks...
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 14:19
From: Raudf Fox Okay, recap: Did you buy any L$ off the Lindex? Just one USD worth or so? If so, you have to wait 2 weeks before you can sell L, because of the RISK API and the trading limit of 0. Go to your account/sell L on this website and see what your remaining Lindex Trading Limits are. I'm pretty sure it says, 0. If it does, then this is the reason you are being denied, nothing else.
Remember this is from first billing transaction.. not just entering your payment info! It's 0 so i can't use lindex, but it was 0 when, in late october, i was not flagged AND so able to withdraw using SLX... i was not flagged AND the limit was 0... so there are no direct link between the limit on Lindex and my risk api positive status........ |
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Novis Dyrssen
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12-12-2007 14:21
How "small" was the amount you cashed out?
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 14:23
From: Novis Dyrssen That may very well be the reason you were flagged, methinks... I'm flagged because i was able to withdraw? why? SLX doesn't have a policy about payment info... LL can't consider me a frauder just because i was able to withdraw my money, not stolen money, no, my money... i worked for it! |
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 14:28
From: Novis Dyrssen How "small" was the amount you cashed out? I withdrawed 250$ from april to october, this means less than 42$ per month, and if you feel this amount too much, how much had u earned working on sl? |
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Cristalle Karami
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12-12-2007 14:28
There is no point in going through this, quite honestly, because he demands an answer he isn't going to get, refuses to step back and consider how it looks from LL's point of view, and refuses to accept that SLX uses the same Risk API, leaving him in the same situation. I'm getting dizzy.
JackJack, I can only suggest voting on the jira issue mentioned above, and continuing to earn your money until they allow you to take it out. And that is my last comment in this thread.
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Egon Rothschild
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12-12-2007 14:31
where is strife when you need him?
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Burn Tomorrow
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12-12-2007 14:33
I've withdrawed $90 using slx, first time flagget BEFORE slx made the payment with paypal.
Then 3 days ago, unflugged.
Now flagged again.
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 14:33
From: Cristalle Karami There is no point in going through this, quite honestly, because he demands an answer he isn't going to get, refuses to step back and consider how it looks from LL's point of view, and refuses to accept that SLX uses the same Risk API, leaving him in the same situation. I'm getting dizzy.
JackJack, I can only suggest voting on the jira issue mentioned above, and continuing to earn your money until they allow you to take it out. And that is my last comment in this thread. I consider it from LL point of view, they can check my L$ transaction history and check everything, they can see i've not defrauded anyone, they can see what i sell, they can even look at my chat or im history... so why keep flagging me? I've not received any mail from LL saying i'm under inspection (i read ppl getting them when LL receive too many abuse reports) so i can't find any wrong action i can have made! |
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 14:35
From: Burn Tomorrow I've withdrawed $90 using slx, first time flagget BEFORE slx made the payment with paypal.
Then 3 days ago, unflugged.
Now flagged again. i withdrawed before to get flagged, i was able to deposit on SLX for some days more then i got flagged on nov 20th... since them i was able to deposit on dec 2nd, in the afternoon IT time, then flagged again until yesterday... and today flagged again |
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Kenbro Utu
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12-12-2007 14:44
From: JackJack Oh why are them allowed to not tell me what's wrong? Because if LL began explaining to people why they were flagged, they would be educating people on how to fool the risk API and it would become worthless. |
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JackJack Oh
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12-12-2007 14:47
From: Kenbro Utu Because if LL began explaining to people why they were flagged, they would be educating people on how to fool the risk API and it would become worthless. It's better to have legitimate business ppl flagged even if they done nothing wrong? This can happens to everybody... probably everybody except real frauders... |