Right to Roam

Ah no, not Godwin's law again......who ever said anything about reclaiming someone's land????

Except that it is yours. It's a "no mans land" in the sense it's difficult - if not, quite, impossible - to make use of, but it is yours. As long as it counts against your prim count, it's yours.

Yes, highways in the sky

And if it doesn't? There's no technical reason why it has to if, hypthetically it were enacted.

I'm right at the border. Even though I know there's no actual privacy in SL, I like to pretend there is, so if I saw a plane or dirigible cruising by that would kind of ruin it for me. On the other hand, as long as I couldn't see you and you weren't using up my resources, I really wouldn't give a damn what you were doing up there. *shrug*

In which case I'm building a mansion at 768 meters and detailing it with 5,000 prims on a 512 lot.

Again, details then - let's make it 1000m, or 1500! Or a million. As stated, I'm asking about the principle not the details.

But it DOES. And as long as you are proposing to "reclaim" -- read TAKE -- that for which you have not paid, you are a thief at best and a looting would-be tyrant at worst.

Such is the mentality of those who constantly demand what is not theirs, simply because they want it. Your desire, even your "need," does not trump others' property rights.

You want access to land? BUY IT.

Like I said, my land is open. You can fly through or stop to play with my dolphin, I really don't care. But the nagging details DO need to be ironed out before any proposal can be taken seriously.

/me holds his head in his hands and sighs

Do we have an ignore list on the forums anyone?

Fine.

In principle: No. Get off my land, you hippie, go buy your own and roam on that.

See, it's the details that could make it palatable... as it stands now, just as a theory, the answer is as above.

I do not own land at the moment, but if I did, I would want to be compensated for the airspace taken away from me by LL. And as others have pointed out - you can build up there. Oh, and the only time I have a problem with "no scripts" is if I detach and reattach whatever it is that has a script in it, or try to start a new script on that "no script" land. Otherwise my script continues to operate. Maybe that's a bug.

Any script that uses llTakeControls - and keeps the controls - will continue to function on no-script land. That is, so far as I know, intentional.

Of course you would want to be compensated -- though even that does not truly compensate you if you do not wish to sell what is being demanded. When the government nationalizes your railroad or takes your house through "emminent domain," it may throw money at you (or it may not), but this is quite irrelevant if you didn't want to sell the property in the first place.

"Reclaiming" something is just a euphemism for TAKING through FORCE what is rightfully owned by someone -- property that was sold according to defined terms. Changing those terms after the fact is an act of theft.

Very good. Then get a ship/plane/car or whatever that uses llTakeControls Conan.

Ask Gina.

Have. Doesn't work.

You know, I was trying to find a way to compromise and still protect the rights of land owners. I wish I hadn't bothered now.

I hate the way emminent domain is going in the USA, and hate how a city can "reclaim" land that is . .. ack don't recall the name - basically means to call a well-maintained house subpar or the like and turn around and sell it to a condo builder.

Apparently I'm one of 28 people on hers too. I wish I knew how she does it.

Blinders?

Edit: I found it, actually...in the User CP under 'Miscellaneous.'

Ok... I make and sell vehicles for a living in SL, Conan, and I'm quite good at it. I use my own products extensively. A properly-coded vehicle, IE, one that takes controls and passes it directly to the script without any intervening nonsense (Which is to say, the majority of vehicles) will continue to function in no-script areas provided it was initialized outside of them.

And yet never the less, the airship I am sat in as we speak stops working when I pass into a No Script area.

Go figure.

Go pass into an area you own, then, and stop complaining.

Wow, someone needs a reality check here......

Incorrect. Normal building does not work above 768 Meters. But it is quite possible to build something below 768, fly higher, and rez it in place at any altiitude you wish. I could fly over your land, rez a 200-prim object at 1,000 M, and you will have 200 prims less available on your land for you to build with. That is why land owners are concerned about any change that would allow objects to be created or abandoned by others at ANY altitude above their land. Because those prims DO count against the land owner's resources. No matter what altitude they are at.

On the other hand, if you rez a plane on your land, fly through my airspace, and fly out the other side, you don't affect my prim count, no matter how prim-heavy your vehicle ans attachments are. Because those prims are tracked to the avatar, and not to my land. It's when you leave litter behind that it starts eating my resources.

To offer an 'airspace' above each sim as a seperate sim that would be independant of parcel sim counts would require doubling the number of sims in Second Life. Even if you used OpenSpaces sims for that, at 4 per server hardware, who would pay for that? Computer resources and servers aren't free. Someone has to pay to purchase, install and maintain them.

I'll say again, you *already have* the ability to fly to above 768 M and cross virtually any sim or parcel. You don't need any extra permissions to do that.

You mentioned hitting a ban line at above 768. I can tell you two ways that could have happened. A skybox just below 768 M can have a security orb with a 96M radius of effect. So the security orb could possibly eject you from the parcel as high as 864 M altitude. Also, the 768M named ban height is 768M above the terrain. So if the sim below you had a 100M terrain mountain peak, and you were banned explicitly, by name from that land, you would be prohibited from entering as high as 868 M over that peak.

I would actually agree that "no-script" effects for parcels should stop above, say, 900M, *provided* that no one who was explicitly banned from the parcel could run a script at ANY altitude. That would prevent joe griefer from hovering above my land and triggering a bunch of griefer scripts.

I would also support a plan that would allow a *moving* vehicle to keep moving through a parcel, above an altitude of 800M or more, provided that it doesn't STOP moving over a restricted airspace. Just passing through? I'll wave and let you be. Hovering over my bedroom? Bye bye, griefer!