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Helga Kerensky
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12-27-2007 10:10
OMG! It a shame that you can't even see what happened here. I came here for support and some people were supportive and helped me. Others took the time to send me dozens of nasty IM's and posts.

For those who mentioned it, I have taken a break from SL for months at a time, this guy has been harrassing me for a year already, his prims were on my land for months and the lindens did nothing. I do not want to swap my land. I want my land.. very simple concept.

I have lived on a private island twice, both times got screwed by the lindens. Sex malls advertising, no. Lost my property and money, yes.
Sommerland Starostin
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Problem renting?
12-27-2007 10:18
I've lived in 4 apartments and never had a problem with renting, actually made some good friends that way. Can't say it doesn't happen, my girlfiriend is renting land from a simowner from hell but those are the breaks. Sometimes in SL, just like RL, things don't go our way. You gots to do something about it and get out of that slump girl.
Snowman Jiminy
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12-27-2007 10:35
From: Helga Kerensky
Just wanted to say thanks to those of you who offered support here, I really appreciated it.

To those of you who are clueless, due to being unable to read or just plain stupidity I hope you get to experience the same thing real soon.

BTW... I dont' have a problem with people building sex malls, just don't want them on my property.


Good luck Helga !

If you do move - don't think of it as giving in - just think of it as realizing that life is short !

~Snowman~
Aki Shichiroji
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12-27-2007 10:43
From: Helga Kerensky
OMG! It a shame that you can't even see what happened here. I came here for support and some people were supportive and helped me. Others took the time to send me dozens of nasty IM's and posts.

For those who mentioned it, I have taken a break from SL for months at a time, this guy has been harrassing me for a year already, his prims were on my land for months and the lindens did nothing. I do not want to swap my land. I want my land.. very simple concept.

I have lived on a private island twice, both times got screwed by the lindens. Sex malls advertising, no. Lost my property and money, yes.


Helga - more people than you think understand this situation all too well. Acting like this one prim infringement situation defines the entirety of the SL experience is rather short sighted and reacting badly to people who offer opinions that do not match yours is really not helping your cause. You have been offered support in spades, both literally and emotionally. Both here and in your two other threads about the exact same thing.

If anyone has overstepped their bounds in any of these threads (which i do not believe they have), it is because what you are asking for is simply not attainable based on the current state of SL. The old mentality of smaller communities defining the whole of SL and a 'me me me' treatment demanded of Lindens from residents really can't be held to much anymore because of the sheer number of things that need to be taken care of on a daily basis.

Even so, I have *never* had issues with Linden service and always recieve prompt reply within at most a couple of weeks if the correct avenues of support are followed and if they are approached with as much info as possible presented in the most objective way possible. This has included service calls I have had to make for non-premium friends (not even on my own land), which were dealt with upon time of engagement in Live Chat, griefer situations on adjacent plots of land to mine and other technical support issues that I've had to file. I am not a concierge customer. Just plain old premier membership.

The key to a positive experience dealing with SL and LL is to go through the appropriate channels and being persistent, but MOST IMPORTANTLY being active in making things better for one's self. It sounds to me like you chose to AR, not keep up with the progress of the complaint, go away for a while, and hope it went away... when ultimately you just went and came back to the same old same old without bothering to deal with the problem once and for all.

You are also holding on to your land based on a principle and really making your own experience worse by feeling aggrevated with what's sprung up around you. It's fine and dandy to hold on to principles, but when your quality of life is affected? THAT is making you not like SL. There is plenty of SL that does not involve land disputes... yet your opening post paints a blanket statement upon your ENTIRE SL experience just because of the inequity you experienced in *one* situation.

I don't think anyone here begrudges your feelings, but come on - be reasonable! You are not the only person in SL who has disliked what happened to their surrounding land. It does not mean you couldn't or shouldn't do anything about it.
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Oryx Tempel
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12-27-2007 10:54
To the Moderator:

Why has this thread been moved to Current Version Feedback? It has nothing to do with the current version of Second Life, it is not constructive feedback regarding the platform, and should probably be locked since people are starting to flame. What's the deal?
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Calliope Simon
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12-27-2007 10:56
From: Oryx Tempel
To the Moderator:

Why has this thread been moved to Current Version Feedback? It has nothing to do with the current version of Second Life, it is not constructive feedback regarding the platform, and should probably be locked since people are starting to flame. What's the deal?


The deal is what it always is: incompetent monkeys at the helm. Duck the flying poo.
Calliope Simon
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12-27-2007 11:03
From: Brenda Connolly
I do have some sympathy in that in a lot of these cases it does seem the onus is always on the "victim", the inconvenience of moving, selling, going up into the sky, etc, while the "perpetrator" gets off. That being said, the options you have are the options you have unfortunately. In the end if they aren't acceptable to you, and you feel LL is favoring another customer over you, I'd stop giving them my money and move on to something else.


And, if you're as lucky as I am and are in a position to influence corporate entities in the direction of NEVER investing ANYTHING in ANY Linden Labs technology...not even one single man-hour to peruse the source code, then do it.

And if you're not in that position....get in that position. A single user leaving has no influence. Ten thousand users leaving has no influence---they fudge the numbers so badly that I'm sure no one above the poor schlep who has to compile them incorrectly knows what they really are.

But one big cheese V.P. or something or other telling a Linden Labs sales manager "you know, I've been advised to avoid this sort of thing because of some pretty bad press and your severe and continuous technical problems" has a BIG effect.
Helga Kerensky
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12-27-2007 13:09
From: Aki Shichiroji
Helga - more people than you think understand this situation all too well. Acting like this one prim infringement situation defines the entirety of the SL experience is rather short sighted and reacting badly ........


Are you for real? You write me this epic post without having a clue. Reacting badly? by coming to a forum and getting help... this is reacting badly?

From: Aki Shichiroji

Even so, I have *never* had issues with Linden service and always recieve prompt reply within at most a couple of weeks ........... The key to a positive experience dealing with SL and LL is to go through the appropriate channels and being persistent, but MOST IMPORTANTLY being active in making things better for one's self. It sounds to me like you chose to AR, not keep up with the progress of the complaint, go away for a while, and hope it went away... when ultimately you just went and came back to the same old same old without bothering to deal with the problem once and for all.

again... are you kidding?
From: Aki Shichiroji


You are also holding on to your land based on a principle and really making your own experience worse by feeling aggrevated with what's sprung up around you. It's fine and dandy to hold on to principles, but when your quality of life is affected? THAT is making you not like SL. There is plenty of SL that does not involve land disputes... yet your opening post paints a blanket statement upon your ENTIRE SL experience just because of the inequity you experienced in *one* situation.


Not one, not two not three.... If you want to take the time to write me these epic posts then take the time to read what I said.
From: Aki Shichiroji



I don't think anyone here begrudges your feelings, but come on - be reasonable! You are not the only person in SL who has disliked what happened to their surrounding land. It does not mean you couldn't or shouldn't do anything about it.


OMG!! You are saying I am being unreasonable for saying I used to like second life? Or is it because I posted on the forums yesterday about a problem I have been having, got helped and have been under attack from a bnch of you ever since. If you would like to read the 158 im's I got yesterday I think I can dig them out of my trash.
Chris Norse
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12-27-2007 14:10
From: Helga Kerensky


To those of you who are clueless, due to being unable to read or just plain stupidity I hope you get to experience the same thing real soon.



Insults? Just because some of us didn't/don't agree with your hysterics? Nearly every post you have made after the first has been insulting to those who disagree with you. Any problems you have with IMs, you have brought on yourself. But I guess it is hard to play the victim if you have to take responsibility. And this "I was here first, I have been here since blah blah blah" is a load of crap, the newest noob has the exact same rights as any other citizen (land owners of a certain level excepted). The person who buys land next to you has just as much right to use it as they see fit as you do, no matter how long you have lived in your little neighborhood. Get over it and get over yourself.
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Helga Kerensky
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12-27-2007 14:26
From: Chris Norse
Insults? Just because some of us didn't/don't agree with your hysterics? Nearly every post you have made after the first has been insulting to those who disagree with you. Any problems you have with IMs, you have brought on yourself. But I guess it is hard to play the victim if you have to take responsibility. And this "I was here first, I have been here since blah blah blah" is a load of crap, the newest noob has the exact same rights as any other citizen (land owners of a certain level excepted). The person who buys land next to you has just as much right to use it as they see fit as you do, no matter how long you have lived in your little neighborhood. Get over it and get over yourself.



Where did I say insults? When did I become hysterical? My posts made past my first post were explaining.. or re-explaining the situation. That would only be insulting to folk like yourself who don't read, but assume you have a clue. Try to remember I posted in a support forum, got help... despite your efforts. The person is now off my land, after months of putting up with his crap.

Yet you seem to feel you need to attack my wanting to use my own parcel. What is that about anyway? Grow up, learn to read.
Snowman Jiminy
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12-27-2007 14:37
From: Helga Kerensky
Where did I say insults? When did I become hysterical? My posts made past my first post were explaining.. or re-explaining the situation. That would only be insulting to folk like yourself who don't read, but assume you have a clue. Try to remember I posted in a support forum, got help... despite your efforts. The person is now off my land, after months of putting up with his crap.

Yet you seem to feel you need to attack my wanting to use my own parcel. What is that about anyway? Grow up, learn to read.


Helga - you got your main problem fixed now. I am not sure that continuiing a tennis match with people who don't 100% sympathise (but have a valid point of view) is going to get anyone anywhere.

Hope you sort out your move (perhaps to join your friends that have already moved), or are successful waiting it out on your sim. In the meantime... have you seen the Greenies sim - it is hilarious - imagine having a house invaded by little green aliens.... and look behind the clock on the mantlepiece! Have fun!

Best wishes

~snowman~
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Chris Norse
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12-27-2007 14:56
From: Helga Kerensky
Where did I say insults? When did I become hysterical? My posts made past my first post were explaining.. or re-explaining the situation. That would only be insulting to folk like yourself who don't read, but assume you have a clue. Try to remember I posted in a support forum, got help... despite your efforts. The person is now off my land, after months of putting up with his crap.

Yet you seem to feel you need to attack my wanting to use my own parcel. What is that about anyway? Grow up, learn to read.


Clueless? Stupid? I consider those insults. Getting help and getting "support" are two totally different things. Which was it you wanted?
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Sun Etoile
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12-27-2007 18:33
From: Strauss Ulderport
The only help is the help you give yourself in this matter, sadly. A saying I live by 'I can't help you unless you want to help yourself'. Several people have offered literal help (like the nice peep who offered to swap his land for yours) but all it seems is you want to keep complaining and wanting a return of the 'good ol days' which, I hate to break it to you, is NOT going to happen. And its a waste to keep hoping, complaining about such. Forgive my bluntness but that is a fact and one you need to accept.


FYI:
I think you'll find that it was I who lamented the passing of the "good ol' days". I am equally well aware that they are not going to return, and said as much in my post.
Serenarra Trilling
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12-28-2007 07:49
Helga, I think you ARE getting hysterical here.

The fact is, no one can do a single thing to help you.

I sympathise with your plight, but continuing on and on with "I hate this and you should do something about it" is getting old.

People who are giving you alternatives are being REALISTIC. Why can't you just let it go?

There is simply not one thing that can be done to change it. It is NOT YOUR PROPERTY. The property where the sex club is does NOT beong to you. You have NO say over what is put there. This is REALITY.

You can move or live with it. To continue whining is acting like a child. That's ALL.
Aki Shichiroji
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12-28-2007 14:44
From: Helga Kerensky
Are you for real? You write me this epic post without having a clue. Reacting badly? by coming to a forum and getting help... this is reacting badly?

Yup.

You came to the forum, you got help. Then when some people didn't have an opinion that 100% matched your world view, you began calling them clueless and stupid. At no point did anyone else in any of your threads call YOU clueless or stupid. How would you feel if we did? 9_9

From: someone

again... are you kidding?

Nope. I've filed many ARs, support tickets, and discussed with many a helpful Linden during my time in SL. While there are aspects of SL i disagree with, I have never had incident where a Linden did not do their best to help, answer or FIND help to answer my questions.

From: someone

Not one, not two not three.... If you want to take the time to write me these epic posts then take the time to read what I said.

I have. Every word. You like to repeat yourself.

From: someone

OMG!! You are saying I am being unreasonable for saying I used to like second life? Or is it because I posted on the forums yesterday about a problem I have been having, got helped and have been under attack from a bnch of you ever since. If you would like to read the 158 im's I got yesterday I think I can dig them out of my trash.

Yes, you got helped. Is that not enough? You got help and you also got suggestions. The fact that you disagreed with many of them and reacted rudely is probably what earned you the IMs you seem to have such a problem with. Grow up and move on!
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12-28-2007 23:00
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