I used to like SL

Don't be silly, hon. For three years she has lived in a modest residential area, not the red-light district. One person with money has changed that. It is the way SL is now. Once you have been in world at least 10% of her time, maybe you can figure that out. You see, when you come on with your attitude and your 4 months play time, it only servers to prove Helga's point. SL has changed, and not for the better.

Johnnie, we have much in common. We are roughly the same age in SL. We are part of the tail end of the explosive growth period. SL as you see it today is all we ever knew, but it is radically diferent than it was this time last year. Just looking at the numbers LLab likes to post can tell you that. Now try to extrapolate that 300% and maybe you can glimpse the tip of the iceberg that Helga has experienced.

I gotta disagree, very little has changed in SL from the day that I started ~4years ago. sure there are more people, and a few more features. but before sex mallss it was casinos, before that ugly clubs, etc ad nauseam... OP got lucky that they lasted 3 years in a good neighborhood, but developments change just like in RL, and because unlike real life you can build anything in a day (or more it in a minute) things change faster... it's not so hard to find a new neighborhood, and moving can be done easily by dropping everything in a box and taking it out at the new place... heck there are scripted goodies that can box everything on your land and rerezz it all in exactly the same position on the new plot...

now OP can fight back and try to annoy the new neighbor away, but in the end what does it accomplish? neighbors are gone, and the odds of a new neighbor being much better aren't that great... so why not follow the neighbors to a nice new place and let the people that want a sex mall there have it.... at a price that'll allow OP to get a new place, maybe even make a profit.... it's not like the commute to work is any longer

Most Clubs in Sl vanish in no time. Just wait it out.

Very simple, you adapt, you migrate or you die(leave the grid). It is the way of life. If Helga can't adapt to her new surroundings, she has two choices left.

Places change here. I live on the mainland and enjoy the different landscape. Also I like the rather "cheap" mall look to the place (odd, I know) and the road system. I kinda like the idea that neighbours are good neighbours when they keep distance between themselves since we really can't "choose" who lives next door. I guess SL is a learning experience for all of us - I have to put up with "granny-state" values and people who prefer those value-systems have to put up with me. In that sense, this is an interesting place to "live" and visit.

Might be, Chris. But it is still darn nasty to see what can happen to very friendly sims. I saw it happen myself on Maia.
I did fight it for some time. Tried to talk to people. Ended up with placing mega prim screens with landscapes.

Been recently back to "my old" land... bah, ban lines and junk.

Morwen.

Welcome back Morwen Nice to see you, hope you're feeling better

Well, I am feeling indeed a bit better. And I even jump in to SL every now and then. But I am afraid it will be a long to until all is back to normal.

Morwen.

Apparently some of you have a problem reading. Let me make this as clear as I can. I am angry because when I began having a problem with my neighbor, who bombarded me asking me to sell my property (as he said I don't use it anyway) and he bombarded my other neighbors non stop IM's for months... the Lindens would do nothing.

When my neighbor encroched on my property with his mega sims, and his porn, the lindens again ignored my requests and reports for help, for months. They completely ignored me.

When I planted a mega prim that encroached on his property they came immediatly and moved it and he finnally had to take the prims and porn off my property.

I am angry because the Lindens didn't respond until I encroached on his property. They do not care about regular users. If you don't have a concierge account you know they are not going to bother answering you or helping you, its a fact. I can't even sit on my other property without getting tossed off the sim because of my neighbor, but the lindens do not care.

This is not how it has always been. People should have the right to buy property and not be harassed into leaving by neighbors. Adapt my ass. I don't care if you think its selfish.

I did adapt to this idiot. I moved my house up in the sky like a bird house, and he moved his stuff up just to continue harrassing me. Why should I have to keep moving? This is supposed to be a game about having a second life for fun. This is not fun anymore.

I am not trying to be a ass clown, but your post above seemed to answer your own question.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

did you read my post eariler ?
ill trade 512 or slightly more of my land for yours.
my reason for doing this is to help out and be a good SL person to all i can offer help to.
my earlier post has landmarks to where the land is located.
i am not bullying you or trying to bother you, just helping in any way i can.
go check out the land and the surrounding area in the sim if you want.
my offer still stands if you wish to act upon it.

Move to an island or quit SL. Your "why me" mentality won't get you anywhere.

My mother always said you catch more flies with honey than vinegar..... just sayin...

I do have some sympathy in that in a lot of these cases it does seem the onus is always on the "victim", the inconvenience of moving, selling, going up into the sky, etc, while the "perpetrator" gets off. That being said, the options you have are the options you have unfortunately. In the end if they aren't acceptable to you, and you feel LL is favoring another customer over you, I'd stop giving them my money and move on to something else.

I was going to quote a few of the posters here. The ones holding open doors, or telling the OP to just quit if they don't like it.

But you know what? You aren't worth it. I'll leave it with saying that if you can't empathise with someone upset over being harrased by the abuse of the system, then YOU are people I don't want in MY SL. Please don't let the door hit YOU in the ass on the way out.

To Helga;
LL does give faster service to Concierage. This was part of the new Support system. They do give the same service to others, but in a prioritised mannor. That means, you get help, but you have to wait for it. As sad as it is, money makes the world go round and SL is a buisness.

For the IM's, just mute the idiot.

After that, yes, the builds can be annoying but people like that don't last. Just stay and ignore them. Why? Because nothing irritates peple like that more than being ignored. They're attention whores, nothing more. Why else would they be putting porn pictures on their front doors?

I've oulived 2 ad-farms, 2 casinoes, and 3 clubs next to my propertly. Now I have decent neighbors. I expect someone will sell eventually and I'll get to deal with an ass again sometime. I'll just take comfort in that they'll leave eventually too.

I guess what I'm saying is to take a deep breath, try to calm a bit, and do not let the bastards win. Only sell/move if that is the only way to prevent stress in your life (Stress: The mind overriding the body's basic desire to choke the living crap out of some idiot that desperately needs it.). Otherwise, live your Second Life as you want to live it. If others don't like that, let them fret over it.

~Jessy

I deleted my previous post because it was snarky, but I agree with Brenda up there. Just my 2 cents.

The answer is that you have 3 choices.

1) Move somewhere else
2) Move into the sky
3) Grit your teeth and wait it out - people move around a lot in SL and you could log in next week and he's gone and the lands for sale. Happens all the time. I waited out a number of obnoxious neighbors back when I lived on the mainland.

Don't expect LL to do anything.

Helga, I really do feel for you, and I know what a wrench it will be to give up your original land, but that may be the best option. Find a nice PG sim and try to rebuild your SL life.

I've seen one or two posts in this thread that suggest it's Helga's fault for moving there in the first place. Check her rez day!! As someone else said, the grid has changed enormously since she joined.

I joined in 2006, just before the population boom, and I've seen huge changes, especially in the way support works. The Lindens were much more accessible in the old days: you could click on Live Help in-world and in seconds you were talking to a Linden (and one who'd been in-world longer than a few weeks!). If necessary they would tp out to the site of the problem and you could sort it out there and then.

We also had a land forum where you could ask for help with things like encroaching prims. As long as they were satisfied you'd already asked the offenders to remove the prims and had had no response, Lindens would go and do it for you. No AR, no wait.

Of course in those days the population was no more than 250k and you rarely got more than 15k on at once at peak times. I realize that given the larger numbers now using SL, the friendly personal service had to go. It doesn't mean I like it, or think it's an improvement.

Anyone who joined as early as Helga, and is still here, has a huge emotional investment in SL, and you can't put a price on that.

Don't give your property away, please! I think I mentioned before that my natural instinct with griefers is to take them on head-on, unless it's a minor irritant situation, where ignoring them is best policy.

So maybe a bit of bluffing might work. Like...tell your neighbour you own other land elsewhere that you can easily move your house to (even if that isn't true). Make some temporary alternative arrangements for meeting your friends and clear your objects off your land for a while and set the land for sale at a high, but not absurd, price. Then the neighbour might figure he's got no further threats to use against you and so buy your land. He will have fallen into your trap, you'll have a good price for your land and can buy another plot with cash to spare.

I'm going to say something about the leaving of SL.. do it, but do it only for a couple of weeks. Set the auto return to 1 and restrict access to anyone but you, maybe turn off object entry, and take a break. Step back, reduce the stress and then see where you stand after that. It's what I do when I get fed up to the point where I wish that old phone commercial of "Reach out and touch someone," included me strangling them when I got a hold of them.

This is a virtual world and it's not worth that kind of stress! Pure and simple. It sounds like you've hit a breaking point and are trying to find answers, but sadly, we can't do more than give advice. The guy/gal has just as much right to build whatever they want on their land that doesn't violate the ToS and sometimes we're forced to adapt to them. It does seem like we're being punished when all we want is to be left alone. Been there, done that. I've outlived many a sex club, mall and casino. I've done everything in the book, including selling out at a fantastic rate, when the stress of dealing became just too much.

Step back, take a breather and get out of SL for a bit. Once you're away from the stress, maybe you'll think of something to handle this better.

QFT!

Helga, you've been here a long time, you've seen a lot of changes and not all for the better. I have lots of empathy for you, when you become attached to a place in SL it's very special. I still regret selling my land in Doldari especially when I see what a mess it is now.

Fighting fire with fire only burns you, sadly, otherwise there's a few people I'd stake out and orbit constantly until they knew what it was like to be harassed. I realise that would only hurt me and I happen to be very passionate about what I create and do in this place.

Even if the majority of people these days are ... well, yanno

It does sound like a change would be as good as a rest. You never know, you may find something wonderful, there are still bits of mainland out there where people are reasonable. If you really want to be SURE of nice things around you then estate is an option ... but like many people, I prefer to own land to call it home.

Let me know if you'd like some lovely tree screens to block this bozo out.



Again, QFT. Even if I did really annoy Guy when I was a greenie They were able to help because the player base was so much smaller, case closed. I tell you one thing, personal opinion as it may be, most Lindens probably wish they were still able to give that personal service too. However ... as is the way of the world ... that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

Just wanted to say thanks to those of you who offered support here, I really appreciated it.

To those of you who are clueless, due to being unable to read or just plain stupidity I hope you get to experience the same thing real soon.

BTW... I dont' have a problem with people building sex malls, just don't want them on my property.

I have a problem with it - the sheer aesthetically challenged way it is generally done!

That being said, my beachland is being turned into a BDSM hangout. Don't care if it gets used or not, don't care about the traffic, do care about aesthetics, am making sure it is pretty as a picture. Even then, it's shielded nicely with KX palm screens

Chin up Helga Most of these places do eventually fold when the bucks don't roll in. Plus, there's a lot of property for sale so when it does collapse your antagonist will have a hard time recouping his outlay. Think of it as a dish best served cold

***edit*** I am smiling too much today.

The only help is the help you give yourself in this matter, sadly. A saying I live by 'I can't help you unless you want to help yourself'. Several people have offered literal help (like the nice peep who offered to swap his land for yours) but all it seems is you want to keep complaining and wanting a return of the 'good ol days' which, I hate to break it to you, is NOT going to happen. And its a waste to keep hoping, complaining about such. Forgive my bluntness but that is a fact and one you need to accept.

That said, If you wanted a virtual hug then you should have said so up front, I am sure everyone here would have offered. Seems thats really what you wanted, a thread to vent and have others offer condolences to you more then anything. Not judging you just a observation.

As for wishing ill will on to others because you are having a bad time currently and they are not tripping themselves to pity you but being realistic; (western) Karma is a b*tch, as what you wish for it has a way if coming back at you.

In the end you had a legit complaint about him putting objects that crossed into your land. I certainly agree what he was doing wrong. From what you now say that issue is resolved however. Put him on mute and really thats the best you can do if you wish to stay their. I am not sure what else anyone can say to you aside from finding a new location except offer more pity or tell you where the door is. *shrugs* Again not trying to be a ass clown but looking at it simply from a practical stand point.

What a neighbor does with their land affects ME. At the very least it affects my SL standard of living, but worse it affects my property value. This is why we have zoning in RL.