Landbot gets a $1L 4096

Agreed. So go vote for the CAPTCHA jira.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2348

Let me try and make an analogy.

Suppose you were sitting at home (in RL) and someone TPed into your house, grabbed your jewellry case, and TPed away with it.

Suppose when you complained, you were told this: "Ah, it's your own fault. You should have gone to the site www.stopTPtheft.com and you could have read that you should always keep a tinfoil reflector in your house to stop people TPing in. As it is, it's legal for people to steal your stuff as long as they TP in to do it. So really, you should have known better. It's up to you to take precautions."

Would you feel happy about that?

It's no-one's duty to have to research protection measures against obscure crimes you never thought were possible in the first place. And something can be legal and yet still a crime.

I have no patience with those who say it was the victim's fault for not protecting herself. These are the same sort of people who say that a rape victim was "asking for it" if she wore a low-cut dress.

Your whole scenario falls apart with your first sentence. You are describing theft. The people who lose their land to the landbots are putting their land up for sale. The jewelery box was not for sale, so taking it was theft.

Your rape analogy doesn't work either. Rape is the use of force against another against their will. The landbot is not using force, they are fulfilling the contract put out by the person selling the land.

Well, i've just voted for that Jira. .....hope it results in a change somewhere down the line!

Good post Daisy!

I'm feeling this very aura, although I don't know that I want to head to another format and start rebuilding connections, but just simply fade away. the easy way out. too bad. there was a lot of potential here, and a few real good eggs that i would love to get to know better, if only i could figure out how to weed through them and be selective without being a snob.

if my "ignore" list gets any longer, i won't have much to read here, so maybe it's just as well.

I don't know you, Sarah Nerd, but 'you buy land' and that's never a bad thing.

Okay...here's an analogy that works.

You're selling a nice, antique watch. You take it out of your case to a customer who has his wallet out. You agree on a price. You lay the watch down on the counter...then, before the customer can pay you, some cheap bastard runs up, grabs the watch and runs off.

IRL, I'll chase the tard down, and beat him within an inch of his freakin' life. Take the watch. Take HIS wallet. And then set him on fire.

Landbot purchases take advantage of literally superhuman speed to snatch land before the flesh and blood users can react or realize they're not alone. I've SEEN this happen on an empty parcel, no one else around but the two people making a bargain.

Adding an extra step into the process that allows the seller to confirm the sale is the simplest, and easiest way to solve this problem. Continuing to allow landbots to purchase land makes LL complicit in their actions.

in this case, the price you agreed to was $1, and not jsut to you, but ANYONE, and the Landbot would have placed $1 on the counter before running.

Still doesn't work. The Landbot is bound by the contract the seller writes. For your example to work, it would have to happen this way. You put a watch out for sale to a particular customer. You put it in the window of your shop clearly marked at a price. You do not put a sold, for sale to, or any other limitation on the watch. The landbot walks up and uses your automatic sales system to buy the watch from you at the advertised price.

I have an idea. Everyone who spent their time talking about land bots in this thread should make an effort to tell people about land bots inside the game. That way more people would know they are out there.

everyone i run across, or just those i overhear speaking of buying land?

I put that forth as an option about 4 threads ago. It didn't get much response. I even suggested that one of the more well known land barons, known for her kindness to newbs, place signs or a notecard giver in her establishment warning of this.

Everyone darn it. Make it the new black.

"Hey don't wear that, the land bots might come after you."

"I'd love to go out with you hun, but I'm land botting my hair tonight."

"You'll never guess who Candy is dating now... Nope! A LAND BOT!"

in debate, i would be annoyed if random people kept coming to me to warn me about the hazards of landbots.

how do you propose spreading the word, outside of SN using up her prim space for such notices?

Sure it does. You just changed the analogy to fit your reasoning.



In spite of the fact you're conducting the transaction face to face, on an empty parcel, with no indication that there's a landbot around? Landbots have made it impossible to conduct those transactions, anymore. So...instead of LL making a change to help protect its residents, residents need to learn about landbots after getting ripped off by them.
I'm all in favor of personal responsibility...but I'm more in favor of corporate responsibility.
LL needs to step up and deal with this problem.

Well for a debate. Change "straw man" to "land bot". Same thing. Well, close enough.

Absolutely incorrect.

What has long be a part of contract law is that material, facially obvious contract defects, like dropping a digit from a home sale, invalidate the contract because of a failure of "meeting of the minds" which is an essential component of contract formation. You will find most home sale contracts include specific remedies for errors of this type although they need not be there because they are implicit in contract formation.

No sales contracts are final, even if they say they are, because English/French/American common law has understood for centuries that people make exactly this kind of error.

It is only in the "take it or leave it" world of SL policy that these mutual buyer / seller protections don't exist.

But it isn't face to face, when you hit 'ANYONE" you are putting it for sale to the public.

huh?

Carli, the oil can was for the Tin Man. The Straw Man needed someone to bend a nail for him.

Well I was thinking the Land Bot was like the Tin Man. No heart and all.

No problem, and I don't care what Trout says, you are still the biggest slut in SL.

See the post above about how it works in RL. In the real world, people are afforded protections for their mistakes, in SL, they are not. When you factor in the landbot to the equation, LL bears even more responsibility for these transactions by allowing them to happen.

It is face to face when you're conducting the transaction seemingly alone on your parcel...with no one else around. Regardless of if you hit the 'Anyone' button or not - your intent is to sell to the avi in front of you. It's in that instance that landbots pose a problem.
I agree people need to be cautious when selling their land - but landbots are created with the sole purpose of giving another a superhuman advantage in making a real estate purchase - and again, enough people have been burned by them to warrant their restriction.

When you put it that way it doesn't sound so inspiring. BEST Slut, now that would be okay.

The fact is that this mistake keeps being made daily. Whether the people making it are lazy, ignorant or not well-versed in English is pretty irrelevant.

If the mistake could be corrected, there would be no issue. Of the bot runners out there, there are only one or two who don't return mistakes. It is these unethical folks who are the real problem.

LL won't step in, so for now our best solution is making a lot of noise when this happens, pressuring the bot runner to do the right thing. The last person who did this, the victim in the OP, got her money back.

I propose that a group is created that is notified when someone is aware of a bot story like the one in the OP. Then we can all IM the botrunner and campaign to get the land back.

Any reason why this idea sucks, other than the bot runner putting all the group members on mute?

but you said strawman...... oh, nevermind. i still don't get it.