Landbot gets a $1L 4096
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Talarus Luan
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10-29-2007 16:50
From: Malachi Petunia In a program written for the typical human, those two things are identical (or at least indistinguishable). Not true at all. You can have the most perfect design possible, and the ape sitting in the chair will STILL foil it time and time again. So, unless you are saying because operator error is a granted for every design, making all designs poor, they are not the same. That said, there IS poor design which induces the probability of operator error, but it is only one factor in the overall functional equation.
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Derbor Torok
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10-29-2007 16:53
From: Atashi Toshihiko As a programmer who has dealt with the general public interacting with some of her work, let me tell you -- it doesn't matter if the nozzle fits or not. They will metaphorically put the diesel fuel in the unleaded tank anyways, if that's what they want to do. Like the saying goes... you can't make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious. I remember in my college days pulling into a gas station and watching two freshmen squirt diesel into their gas tank. They were so frustrated that the nozzle would not fit their car.. I'm with Brenda on this one... we can make it a little better - but its pretty simple as it is. Personally I hate bots... they are just wasting bandwidth - degrading everyone’s experience - for the financial gain of a few. .d
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Day Oh
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10-29-2007 17:04
From: Atashi Toshihiko Change the order of the questions, and change the defaults.
Question #1: Who do you want to sell this land to? Default: Person chooser comes up. I really like that idea. From: Atashi Toshihiko Another idea: In the last confirmation box that you get, "You are setting ---- land for sale to ------ for L$ -----" "It will begin appearing in search results immediately."
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Tiziana Catteneo
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10-29-2007 17:07
From: Sarah Nerd Well if anyone follows land bot issues... My resident question? When is LL going to do something to help victims and stop people from taking advantage of others in such a dirty manner. So boring ... if a land bot don't take the land a land baron like you will take it maybe 10 seconds after. Why don't you complain to linden lab? You can always leave the game if you don't like how LL manage it.
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Raymond Figtree
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10-29-2007 17:17
From: Tiziana Catteneo So boring ... if a land bot don't take the land a land baron like you will take it maybe 10 seconds after.
Why don't you complain to linden lab? You can always leave the game if you don't like how LL manage it. Sarah gave back every mistake she ever got. She has the best reputation in SL and has flawless ethics and incredible compassion for others. She makes SL a better place for newbies with her freebie store. She educates people on how to buy and sell land. Try to find one person she has ever not dealt fairly with. You are slamming the wrong baron.
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Derbor Torok
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10-29-2007 17:30
From: Tiziana Catteneo So boring ... if a land bot don't take the land a land baron like you will take it maybe 10 seconds after.
Why don't you complain to linden lab? You can always leave the game if you don't like how LL manage it. Open mouth wide.. slowly take foot out. .d
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Tiziana Catteneo
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10-29-2007 17:32
From: Raymond Figtree Sarah gave back every mistake she ever got. She has the best reputation in SL and has flawless ethics and incredible compassion for others. She makes SL a better place for newbies with her freebie store. She educates people on how to buy and sell land. Try to find one person she has ever not dealt fairly with.
You are slamming the wrong baron. Sorry I know Sarah is good ... I forgot to specify "a land baron NOT like you"
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Raymond Figtree
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10-29-2007 17:35
From: Tiziana Catteneo Sorry I know Sarah is good ... I forgot to specify "a land baron NOT like you" B.S. You also complained about her "complaining" and suggested she leave SL. Was that bitterness meant for someone else as well? Next time, think before you post an attack like that.
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Tiziana Catteneo
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10-29-2007 17:47
From: Raymond Figtree B.S. You also complained about her "complaining" and suggested she leave SL. Was that bitterness meant for someone else as well?
Next time, think before you post an attack like that. If she don't like how the game is managed she should complain to LL... it's useless to use resident answer to always complain about landbots.
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Raymond Figtree
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10-29-2007 17:50
From: Tiziana Catteneo If she don't like how the game is managed she should complain to LL... it's useless to use resident answer to always complain about landbots. I disagree. If one new person learns that it is a big mistake to ever set your land for sale to "anyone" and that it can result in them losing their land to a bot that is nowhere near them when they set the land for sale, then it was worth starting this thread. What good did YOUR complaining do, other than get me royally pissed off?
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Tiziana Catteneo
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10-29-2007 17:54
So landbarons every month will post a warning about landbots? Is there a way to ignore you?
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Raymond Figtree
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10-29-2007 17:57
From: Tiziana Catteneo So landbarons every month will post a warning about landbots? Is there a way to ignore you? User CP>buddy/ignore list>add Raymond Figtree to your ignore list. But don't bother. I just looked up some of your old posts and I see who I am dealing with here. Done wasting my breath with you. Ciao.
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Tiziana Catteneo
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10-29-2007 18:01
From: Raymond Figtree User CP>buddy/ignore list>add Raymond Figtree to your ignore list.
But don't bother. I just looked up some of your old posts and I see who I am dealing with here. Done wasting my breath with you. Ciao. I don't need to look at your old post Bye
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Cristalle Karami
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10-29-2007 18:06
From: Talarus Luan Not true at all.
You can have the most perfect design possible, and the ape sitting in the chair will STILL foil it time and time again. So, unless you are saying because operator error is a granted for every design, making all designs poor, they are not the same.
That said, there IS poor design which induces the probability of operator error, but it is only one factor in the overall functional equation. Agreed, Talarus, and I don't see where the current design induces operator error. You have to select anyone or a specific avatar, and most people are too lazy to pull up a name if they intend to transfer to a friend. Why set it to sale for $1L? Use $0 and put in a name (note that it forces you to put in a name). The only reason? Laziness and complacency about the speed of land sales. Again, no one deserves to lose land this way, but you can only be mad at yourself for not using the simple tools available to you.
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Pie Psaltery
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10-29-2007 18:30
From: Talarus Luan You can't code the ape out of the equation I have found a new sig tag!!
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Har Fairweather
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10-29-2007 19:11
From: Cristalle Karami Agreed, Talarus, and I don't see where the current design induces operator error. You have to select anyone or a specific avatar, and most people are too lazy to pull up a name if they intend to transfer to a friend. Why set it to sale for $1L? Use $0 and put in a name (note that it forces you to put in a name). The only reason? Laziness and complacency about the speed of land sales. Again, no one deserves to lose land this way, but you can only be mad at yourself for not using the simple tools available to you. The major problem is ignorance, not laziness or complacency. Cure the ignorance, and most of this problem will go away. Pop up a warning about automated prgrams that can buy properties instantly when Sell To Anyone is chosen, and the ignorance goes away. Then we can stop having to deal with these threads. I don't see why this simple concept is so difficult to comprehend - or put into place.
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Cristalle Karami
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10-29-2007 19:37
From: Har Fairweather The major problem is ignorance, not laziness or complacency. Cure the ignorance, and most of this problem will go away. Pop up a warning about automated prgrams that can buy properties instantly when Sell To Anyone is chosen, and the ignorance goes away. Then we can stop having to deal with these threads. I don't see why this simple concept is so difficult to comprehend - or put into place. It would help some, but these threads, like "where's my stipend" threads, will never go away.
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Colette Meiji
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10-29-2007 19:39
From: Cristalle Karami It would help some, but these threads, like "where's my stipend" threads, will never go away. Stipend threads will definitely go away. Once they get rid of stipends.
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Har Fairweather
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10-29-2007 19:45
From: Cristalle Karami It would help some, but these threads, like "where's my stipend" threads, will never go away. True, but when they do appear, now and then, they will be so mercifully short: One answering post reading: Doh! Read the warning!
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Cristalle Karami
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10-29-2007 21:46
From: Har Fairweather True, but when they do appear, now and then, they will be so mercifully short: One answering post reading: Doh! Read the warning! Lol, we do that now, and are told we are not compassionate. There is nothing new under the sun.
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Sarah Nerd
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10-29-2007 22:11
Raymond Thank You for being my hero. You always have been and always will be. As for Tiziana's remarks. I will never just pack up and leave because I dislike something that LL does or in this case doesn't do. I love this game good and bad and feel it's a huge part of who I am. I won't throw in the towel and give up because theres an issue I don't like. Thats not how I operate. I am an active member of this community and will stand up to issues when I see fit. You'll be stuck listening to my "boring" land bot threads as long long as the issue exists. I feel that raising awareness helps cut back on the selling errors. Most people, like the girl in this situation was not aware that bots existed until it was to late. If anyone catches a thread or my blog, and learns about what can happen, and does happen, and starts to pay more attention and it helps avoid a single user error resulting in land loss, I'll bug the crap out of you all in forums all day long. Raising awareness is what I feel is the best path right now. Also after my blog, Celene contacted me, and unlike several other cases with her, she ended up giving this parcel back. So I'd like to think my boring blogging helped even if it was just a teeny weeny bit of help. http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/692And lucky for You, I very rarely post here anymore. I couldn't take all the negativity and the nasty reactions the official forums pulled out of me. Theres a nasty feel to these forums and it seems like its nothing more than people belittling others and trying to one up the next guy. I've moved on to sluniverse where I personally feel more welcomed.
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Tegg Bode
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10-29-2007 22:50
Sorry Sara, I know I myself put you in the wrong basket once, I am concerned that the bot competition out there is so fierce, that some may be running 100's of bots creating lag and driving away residents. When I joind 12 months ago the graveyard shift resident numbers were about a 1/3 of dayshift numbers, now they are 2/3 and I don't see that many more oceania residents so assume a large percentage of that increase is 24/7 bot accounts. It's already been seen with campbots and traffic bots and the owners of course just add as many bots as they can run, which in one case at least it seems to be 50 or so to a single shop. Dealing with 20 Landbarons is great because they get a reputation, but dealing with their un named bot minions working for their alts hides them from social consequences of their actions, I'm sorry but I find it wrong to be letting automated systems gouge the economy 24/7 and strangle SL performance to a standstill while other residents put in real efforts. SL is a creation platform not an automated pyramid scheme with the winner having the fastest connection and most bots online. 100,000 traffic is great for sales when real residents can't enter the sim or move due to lag inside, caused by the 40 bots in a cage above.
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Raymond Figtree
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10-29-2007 23:27
So as a result of Sarah's efforts, the most evil vile landbot runner who NEVER used togive back mistakes actually gave back one. Maybe there is hope for humanity after all. Shit, I might even go a week without engaging in a flame war... Way to go, Sarah. 
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Sarah Nerd
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10-29-2007 23:32
From: Raymond Figtree So as a result of Sarah's efforts, the most evil vile landbot runner who NEVER used togive back mistakes actually gave back one. Maybe there is hope for humanity after all. Shit, I might even go a week without engaging in a flame war... Way to go, Sarah.  I don't think was my doing as much as Michelle's willingness to share her situation. She didn't just lay back and suck it up, she told anyone she could and got the word out. The more people that share there experiences, the more we become aware of it as a community.
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Sarah Nerd
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10-29-2007 23:34
From: Tegg Bode Sorry Sara, I know I myself put you in the wrong basket once, I am concerned that the bot competition out there is so fierce, that some may be running 100's of bots creating lag and driving away residents. When I joind 12 months ago the graveyard shift resident numbers were about a 1/3 of dayshift numbers, now they are 2/3 and I don't see that many more oceania residents so assume a large percentage of that increase is 24/7 bot accounts. It's already been seen with campbots and traffic bots and the owners of course just add as many bots as they can run, which in one case at least it seems to be 50 or so to a single shop. Dealing with 20 Landbarons is great because they get a reputation, but dealing with their un named bot minions working for their alts hides them from social consequences of their actions, I'm sorry but I find it wrong to be letting automated systems gouge the economy 24/7 while other residents put in real efforts. SL is a creation platform not an automated pyramid scheme with the winner having the fastest connection and most bots online. 100,000 traffic is great for sales when real residents can't enter the sim or move due to lag inside, caused by the 40 bots in a cage above. Thank You for this post. You made a lot of really valid points that no one else has mentioned yet.
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